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Lemuel said:
Just because God temporarily withdrew the priesthood from the earth which allowed Satan to have more influence for a period of time does not mean that God lost control. It means that he maintained control but just allowed evil to spread.
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Okay, I’m thinking this through.

If LDS teach that God allowed the evil one to spread darkness, that means they were working together. Cooperating.

We can never do evil to get something good.
Therefore, God would never sanction, or cooperate with evil to allow for something good to happen.

He allows us to do evil because we have free will.

Interesting conversation…

*I agree that we have to take the LDS missionary efforts seriously and make sure people understand what they truly believe.
 
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I’m not seeing anything inflammatory in your posts, Lemuel. Nor have I ever witnessed any name calling on your part. Whoever is flagging your posts must not realize that you are a former Mormon who speaks the truth about them without malice.
 
I’m being flagged by people who know somewhat of my background. I don’t think I am guilty of name calling, with exceptions like Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. But not any of the people on this forum. As far as inflammatory posts, I just say what I know. I know I probably ought to bite my lip a little more often.
 
I agree.

Being straight forward with the truth from our POV is the whole purpose for the discussion.
 
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SunshineGrandma said:
I didn’t say that Origen wasn’t ever accurate.

I asked why you are using Origen to define the God of Judaism?

And at the same time, you question whether Jews have the right to define the God of Judaism.

Am I understanding you correctly?
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SunshineGrandma said:
It was a formal teaching of Judaism, similar to a creed, in the 12th century by Maimonides:

In his Commentary on the Mishnah , Maimonides outlined 13 principles of Jewish belief, itself a controversial undertaking in predominantly non-creedal Judaism. (Many Jews sing a poetic adaptation of these 13 principles called Yigdal at the end of Shabbat prayer services each week.) Maimonides’ third principle is that God has no body. Although a universal premise today, it was not necessarily so in 12th-century Judaism. In fact, some medieval mystics even wrote treatises detailing the measurements of God’s body.

This is a very interesting article about Jewish teaching.
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/maimonides-rambam/
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Okay…so are you now saying, as an LDS apologist,
that the early Christians and their teachings were not corrupted by Hellenism?

How long have you been LDS?
 
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TOmNossor said:
Augustine (whose mother was a Christian all her life) refused to become a Christian largely because it was so ridiculous to believe that God was embodied as Augustine knew Christians did (until Ambrose told him such was not true).
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Is Augustine’s opinion to be trusted?
 
He is a Catholic who practices the LDS religion. Uses many of the common tactics used by Mormons, taking comments, verses, and writings of ECF out of context to “prove” Christianity has been Mormon from the start.

I’ll flagged for this post and either get suspended again or maybe even banned this time but…
 
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I think we should continue the conversation.

His posts don’t bother me. 😊
 
You go Grandma!

Now what more can be said about “what do Protestants and Catholics think of Mormons?” I have learned a lot from this thread. Wow. Is there anything been missed?
 
There’s plenty more to learn because Mormons keep changing their position.

Are they now accepting early Church teachings from those that were corrupted by the Greek philosophers? Since when?

It’s a roller coaster ride.

So let’s stay tuned and see if any questions get answered.
 
It’s very helpful when engaging someone on a forum like this to answer the questions directly without using five paragraphs talking in circles.

Like this:

1). My post was for gazelam but you answered it.
Why?

2). If you are answering for him, please answer whether or not the Jewish people should be able to define the God of Judaism?

Just stick to the questions asked because it’s beginning to seem like you are trying to get me off your trail.
 
Please answer my question about Augustine.

Do you or do you not trust his teachings?
 
If you read a frequent Mormon poster’s tagline, you are prominently displayed. Perhaps someone is out to get you?
 
TOmNossor said:
When you read the ECF you find that many of the “unique” LDS doctrines are present in their writings. Not only this, but this presence helps one understand the “foundational slips” that go into the great Trinity and Christological debates of the 4th and 5th centuries.
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But, according to BYU religious studies, they are not to be trusted. So why trust their unique doctrines now?

LDS Doctrine Compared with other Christian Doctrines​

Stephen E. Robinson, “LDS Doctrine Compared with other Christian Doctrines,” in Latter-day Saint Essentials: Readings from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism , ed. John W. Welch and Devan Jensen (Provo, UT: BYU Studies and the Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 2002), 177–81.

LDS Doctrine Compared with Other Christian Doctrines​

As biblical scholar W. D. Davies once pointed out, LDS doctrine can be described as biblical Christianity separated from hellenized Christianity, a conjunction of first-century Judaism and Christianity. Latter-day Saints accept the Bible and its apostolic teachings as God’s word, but reject many later interpretations of the Bible that express Greek philosophical concerns—they accept John and Paul but reject Augustine.

https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/latter...s-doctrine-compared-other-christian-doctrines
 
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But BYU says his opinion is to be discounted-

So is Augustine credible or not?

(Just say yes or no)
 
As I understand it, he’s a convert to the Mormon church. He’s no longer Catholic.
 
TOmNossor said:
do not dismiss what the ECF say.
Augustine is clear that he rejected Christianity because he thought to be Christian was to believe in an embodied God.
Augustine found this ridiculous and would not embrace such a foolish endeavor?
I disagree. I see no reason why an omnipotent being couldn’t be embodied or incorporeal. Other truths are more important to me than this.
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Augustine rejected Christianity because the early Christians believed God was incorporeal?
 
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