Hugh Heffner has died

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While I hate pornography for screwing me up, we should pray for the man. What he did was evil, but we should love the sinner and hate the sin.
 
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Jamie5:
Rest in Peace.
Seeing your first playboy was a right of passage for millions of teenage boys in the 70s 80s and 90s. Not condoning it but just being honest.
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Oh, right! That makes it ok… are you serious? Or are you joking?
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I think the statement is totally correct - except it leaves out the teenage boys of the 1960’s! Honestly. And it’s not about what’s OK, it’s about reality.
 
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How do I argue against what this man stood for with my friends (and some of them are female) who are mourning his passing?
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The truth is that Hugh Heffner hated women. He taught generations of men and women, for decades and decades, that a female is nothing more than an attractive housing for a vag*na. You see, a woman who doesn’t meet the Playboy definition of beautiful has no worth, and females are to compete with one-another to meet this definition of beautiful. Heffner was one of many who taught us this, but he seems to be held up as an “acceptable” version because his magazine was seen as the cleanest filth.
 
dantasticguy said:
How do I argue against what this man stood for with my friends (and some of them are female) who are mourning his passing?
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What? You’re arguing against the… articles? Didn’t everybody read Playboy for the articles? 😀

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Well that’s one thing liberal feminists are absolutely right about. Pornography is violence, primarily against the women who it debases the innate holiness of and reduces to object, and secondarily against the souls of men who consume it. It is really soul destroying stuff with nothing good to be said about it.

But…by way of response to the OP; when people are mourning the death of Hef is not the most opportune time to evangelize about this. People will just dig their heels more than usual if they feel a recently deceased person is being talked down as part of the point. Better to wait until the discussion does not have that baggage.
 
Weren’t the articles pretty dirty anyway?

May God have mercy.
 
No, some of them were just normal journalism. Same for Penthouse. I read them both as a young person.

I prayed for his soul at a shrine Mass today.
 
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If there’s a Hell, Hef is there. He did untold damage to our moral and social fabric with his magazine and his social philosophy. It opened the door to the “sexual revolution” and all of the filth on mass media and the Internet we’re exposed to now. What gets me is how God allowed such an unabashedly sinful man to prosper. Larry Flynt at least met his karma back in 1978; no such karmic punishment for Hef, though. My theory is that Hef sold his soul to Satan, who promised him lots of wealth and fun on Earth, but once he died, there’d be (literally) Hell to pay.
 
I have recently, the past few years, watched tv shows that he made guest appearances on, such as ‘The Fresh Prince’. Just wow. He managed to become a cultural’icon’ and partly shaped our popular culture.

Not a prude talking here but having watched recent interviews of him where he stated he was proud of his work and thought he made a positive impact for women and this morning CNN refered to him as a Civil Rights Champion (free speech).

I love free speech. I am grateful we can chose custody of the eyes rather than censorship. But man do I think he HELPED women? No.
I think his ‘Civil Rights’ fight wasn’t noble so much as a way to get his magazine into the hands a of subscribers and ultimately self-serving. (Loads of self interest and incentives drive people to make changes and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but I’m not granting Hefner secular Sainthood for his ‘work’. He exploited young men and women.

I have been praying for him for the past few years, for his conversion of heart. Although I have no idea what his last thoughts were, heprobably died as he lived. Now, we can pray for Gods Mercy in His perfect Justice.
 
Jamie5 said:
Rest in Peace.
Seeing your first playboy was a right of passage for millions of teenage boys in the 70s 80s and 90s. Not condoning it but just being honest.
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It was.

And it taught a lot of them disrespect for women. When you have a magazine with semi-nude pictures of women labeled “Entertainment for Men,” you’re not exactly saying that women should be treated as equals.
Onestepahead said:
Heffner was one of many who taught us this, but he seems to be held up as an “acceptable” version because his magazine was seen as the cleanest filth.
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True. Playboy didn’t show “full nudity,” unlike some competitors, so for that reason it was often described as “tasteful.”
egretps said:
Not a prude talking here but having watched recent interviews of him where he stated he was proud of his work and thought he made a positive impact for women and this morning CNN refered to him as a Civil Rights Champion (free speech).

I love free speech. I am grateful we can chose custody of the eyes rather than censorship. But man do I think he HELPED women? No.
I think his ‘Civil Rights’ fight wasn’t noble so much as a way to get his magazine into the hands a of subscribers and ultimately self-serving. (Loads of self interest and incentives drive people to make changes and that is not necessarily a bad thing, but I’m not granting Hefner secular Sainthood for his ‘work’. He exploited young men and women.
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Agreed.

I tried not to laugh this morning when they announced his death on the radio and said something about how he was noted for all he did for women.

In any event, R.I.P.
 
Tell them he needs prayers because if he didn’t repent before he died then he is in an especially cold, dark pit of Hell.
 
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I don’t think there are different “parts” of Heaven and Hell. That said I’m sure anyone would rather be in the “worst” part of Heaven than the “best” part of Hell. 😁
 
How can there be a “degree” in Heaven. I don’t believe, and hope that isn’t true. And if it is, I think a small shack in Heaven would be equal to a huge mansion…because you’re in Heaven. 🙂
 
Off topic, could a mod or someone please correct the spelling of Hefner, not Heffner in the subject, as a bit of respect perhaps for the recently deceased.
 
Jamie5 said:
How can there be a “degree” in Heaven. I don’t believe, and hope that isn’t true. And if it is, I think a small shack in Heaven would be equal to a huge mansion…because you’re in Heaven. 🙂
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Theologians argue it’s according to the capacity of the soul to partake in the Beatific Vision. Or put another way, according to the merits (treasure in heaven) he accumulated while in the wayfaring state. It’s also consistent with justice: the one who perseveres in a lifetime of walking the narrow path deserves a greater share in the glory of heaven than the lifelong sinner who repents on his deathbed.

And of course, because Christ himself alludes to it, so why should we doubt? He refers to the “least” and the “greatest” in the Kingdom of Heaven, clearly indicating degrees of one’s reward. He also promises “great” reward to certain classes of people (such as the persecuted), while not all who die in the state of grace are persecuted.
 
bibcat said:
… He did untold damage to our moral and social fabric with his magazine and his social philosophy…
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Quite so, but we should desire the best for him, and we should hope. So let us pray for him. I pray that it may be in accord with God’s perfect will to cleanse and make holy Mr. Hefner’s soul so that he may come to the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
I have no problem invoking God’s mercy on this man’s soul. He most certainly needs it.

But I cannot bring myself to say “Eternal rest…” for him. I instead say, “Lord, have mercy on the soul of…”
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bibcat:
… He did untold damage to our moral and social fabric with his magazine and his social philosophy…
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Quite so, but we should desire the best for him, and we should hope. So let us pray for him. I pray that it may be in accord with God’s perfect will to cleanse and make holy Mr. Hefner’s soul so that he may come to the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy, Lord have mercy. May God our Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ, His dear Son, have pity on the poor soul of this one who was responsible for the spread of pornography and who profited therefrom. We realize that gaining the whole world is nothing when your own soul is lost and pray that Hugh Hefner receive mercy from your Hands, through your Son, Jesus Christ, Who reigns together with You and the Holy Spirit, One God, now and forever, amen. Amen.
 
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