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I think the idea is that, in being in Afghanistan, the military from whichever country, were, in the long run, trying to protect the rest of the world - each other’s countries - from terrorism.
My original question was specifically asked in reference about the direct protection of American citizens by British troops or civilians. As in WWII when America supplied Britain and then contributed direct manpower to protect her. The war on terror is a stretch of an example at best.
 
I’m not talking about American troops, I’m talking about American citizens.

When’s the last time British troops came to the aid of American citizens?

BTW, Britain profited nicely during the American Civil War as she supplied materials and weaponry to the pro-slavery Confederacy of the South. The results of the Empire’s greed extended the war by countless American lives on both sides.

But to the larger point, it’s a shame that Britain has forgotten it’s Catholic roots. The oldest Universities in the world (Oxford and Cambridge) were originally Catholic Institutions of higher learning. And some of the greatest contributions to Catholic culture, literature, theology, philosophy, mysticism, and scholarship came from Catholic Britain: Shakespeare, St Thomas More, Cardinal Newman, J. R. R. Tolkien, and the incomparable G.K.Chesterton. Not to mention the contributions of the Catholic-trending Anglican C.S.Lewis, to name only a few.

Unfortunately nowadays, Britain is producing some of the most proliferate Atheistic evangelists, and it’s culture has become a blueprint for the secular nanny-state of Fabian socialists. Such is the inevitable progression of Protestantism. The only nations to contribute worse theological calamities onto the world would be Germany (the home of Protestantism) and Russia. And what’s worse; the American Left looks to Britain as the great example of “achievement” in all these moral disasters. sigh God help us all.😦
Well I for one, am very glad you don’t live here…May you carry on being grumpy and self righteous in the States…
(Shakespeare? What’s particularly Catholic about Shakespeare? England was Protestant then…altho’ the poor folks must have been a bit confused…)
 
Well to me, using words like demoralised husk invested with communism and wilfulness…and cankers competing to devour the body, DOES sound a tad desperate and anguished!! What do you do for anguish and despair then?!
Well I’m glad you see at least SOME good stuff…
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My original question was specifically asked in reference about the direct protection of American citizens by British troops or civilians. As in WWII when America supplied Britain and then contributed direct manpower to protect her. The war on terror is a stretch of an example at best.
No it isn’t. Try telling that to British troops out there. What are American troops out there for?
 
Well I for one, am very glad you don’t live here…May you carry on being grumpy and self righteous in the States…
(Shakespeare? What’s particularly Catholic about Shakespeare? England was Protestant then…altho’ the poor folks must have been a bit confused…)
Well, I’m not grumpy, and I’m sorry if I come across as self-righteous, that is not my intent (although I am open to the possibility that I may be deluding myself). I’ve simply had enough American criticism from Europeans. Thanks to the American Left, it seems as though most Europeans (especially Brits) seem to think it’s perfectly acceptable to openly flaunt anti-American sentiments.

And as far as Shakespeare’s Catholicism: “Although there is no conclusive proof, there is strong circumstantial evidence to suggest that he was a practicing Roman Catholic.”
 
No it isn’t. Try telling that to British troops out there. What are American troops out there for?
Yeah, it is.

That has little to no effect on American citizen’s lives. Thanks to this Administration and it’s schizophrenic and bumbled foreign policies, military intervention in Afghanistan is a complete waste of lives and resources, for America and Britain.
 
My original question was specifically asked in reference about the direct protection of American citizens by British troops or civilians. As in WWII when America supplied Britain and then contributed direct manpower to protect her. The war on terror is a stretch of an example at best.
Once again, not sure how this thread got onto a post about Hugo Chavez… but, seriously. England was being attacked by Germany. They needed more protection than we did at that time.
Time to clean up our own act before we start England- or Europe- bashing.
 
Once again, not sure how this thread got onto a post about Hugo Chavez… but, seriously. England was being attacked by Germany. They needed more protection than we did at that time.
Time to clean up our own act before we start England- or Europe- bashing.
Uhm Veronica, I would suggest you go back over this thread. If you do, you will notice that the nation-bashing started with America-bashing.

And yeah, England (our former enemy through numerous conflicts i.e. the Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, the Civil War, not to mention numerous diplomatic conflicts) was in need of protection in WWII. But that’s just the point I’m making. The American people had little to gain and everything to lose by assisting Britain. Especially in light of the fact that they were still trying to recover from their selfless sacrifices in WWI: Another war they had no hand in starting, but had a tremendous contribution in ending.

So please, I humbly ask you in all sincerity; before you weigh in, apprise yourself of the relevant facts, both historically and to the progression of this thread.

Peace.
 
I’m not talking about American troops, I’m talking about American citizens.

When’s the last time British troops came to the aid of American citizens?
Come now.

Might I remind you, lest Americans have even forgotten themselves, that is ostensibly the object of the “War on Terror” and the “Coalition”.

If quite a lot of British troops are dead for that and it isn’t, I wouldn’t really see that as… well, you know.

As for WWII - well let’s not get into people claiming credit for geography :). The Battle of Britain was the sole reason that the Nazi front was not US lands and seas (although needless to say it was only due to American cup holders in British aircraft, without which the Battle of Britain would have been hopelessly lost). British forces did also fight in the pacific campaign in much smaller numbers than in Europe, but that was purely for the fresh air and exercise.

Personally, I don’t really see the need for oneupmanship, but would you kindly remember that not everybody from a particular country is anti-American? It’s understandable, but it kind of defeats your point a bit when those of us who are largely pro-American are getting the same kind of vibes off you, that we all dislike when they go in the other direction. 😦
 
Uhm Veronica, I would suggest you go back over this thread. If you do, you will notice that the nation-bashing started with America-bashing.

And yeah, England (our former enemy through numerous conflicts i.e. the Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, the Civil War, not to mention numerous diplomatic conflicts) was in need of protection in WWII. But that’s just the point I’m making. The American people had little to gain and everything to lose by assisting Britain. Especially in light of the fact that they were still trying to recover from their selfless sacrifices in WWI: Another war they had no hand in starting, but had a tremendous contribution in ending.

So please, I humbly ask you in all sincerity; before you weigh in, apprise yourself of the relevant facts, both historically and to the progression of this thread.

Peace.
So according to your logic… if someone “America-bashes” then the correct response is to bash their country of origin? Seems pretty juvenile to me.

for what it’s worth, I don’t consider criticizing our country to be America-bashing.
 
Come now.

Might I remind you, lest Americans have even forgotten themselves, that is ostensibly the object of the “War on Terror” and the “Coalition”.(
How exactly is Britain’s involvement with bad policy aiding the American citizenry?

Let us all “come now”, shall we?

All you’re really doing here is using this as yet another attempt to bash America via it’s failed foreign policy. Aren’t you.
If quite a lot of British troops are dead for that and it isn’t, I wouldn’t really see that as… well, you know.
No, I don’t know. Or do I? Feel free to elaborate.
As for WWII - well let’s not get into people claiming credit for geography . The Battle of Britain was the sole reason that the Nazi front was not US lands and seas (although needless to say it was only due to American cup holders in British aircraft, without which the Battle of Britain would have been hopelessly lost). British forces did also fight in the pacific campaign in much smaller numbers than in Europe, but that was purely for the fresh air and exercise.
Geography?

How about pathetic British and European policy when dealing with the Nazis?

Now I will “bash” Britain and it’s failed policies leading up to WWII:

How about the prevailing “peace in our time” by the predominate Chamberlain-seque attitude of Britain and most of Europe?

And the Nazi’s had little chance of success in starting a “front” on the American Continent.

Oh and, if you read my past posts, you’ll see that newly discover historical evidence has shown that America’s contribution of high-octane fuel actually gave British fighter aircraft a clear advantage over their German counterparts during the Battle of Britain.
Personally, I don’t really see the need for oneupmanship, but would you kindly remember that not everybody from a particular country is anti-American? It’s understandable, but it kind of defeats your point a bit when those of us who are largely pro-American are getting the same kind of vibes off you, that we all dislike when they go in the other direction.
Then why are you engaging in negative oneupmanship by diminishments?

You didn’t actually go back over this thread to discover the genesis of this so-called ‘nation bashing’ did you.

No. Obviously you didn’t.

And for someone who holds a so-called “pro-American” attitude, your subsequent posts and their obvious motives are clearly indicating that your self-description is suspect, at best.
 
So according to your logic… if someone “America-bashes” then the correct response is to bash their country of origin? Seems pretty juvenile to me.

for what it’s worth, I don’t consider criticizing our country to be America-bashing.
No. My line of reasoning is adherent to the factual history in all it’s context.

Criticism based on actual historical FACTS is one thing;

Criticism based solely on personal political biases in SPITE of the relevant historical facts is actually (in and of itself) juvenile.
 
How exactly is Britain’s involvement with bad policy aiding the American citizenry?

Let us all “come now”, shall we?

All you’re really doing here is using this as yet another attempt to bash America via it’s failed foreign policy. Aren’t you.
No I’m not. I’m really not.
No, I don’t know. Or do I? Feel free to elaborate.
The UK is not a big country, and the coffins of our own are coming home on a fairly regular basis, so I thought I would leave it there rather than stray into such potentially inclement waters. I shall continue to do so, and thank you for your kind words. 🙂
Geography?
How about pathetic British and European policy when dealing with the Nazis?
Now I will “bash” Britain and it’s failed policies leading up to WWII:
You do that, if you wish. I could be far more uncharitable than I have been in response to that - and as you clearly know, it is tempting for someone who loves their own country as much as you love yours to rile up when somebody insults it. I do not want to go through the looking-glass you already have, however, and insult all the perfectly nice Americans here, and the ones I call friends, and perhaps even insult the American war dead because I perceive, wrongly or rightly, that someone is bashing a particular country.
And for someone who holds a so-called “pro-American” attitude, your subsequent posts and their obvious motives are clearly indicating that your self-description is suspect, at best.
“obvious motives”? “suspect”? …really? 🤷

You are wrong in every sense, and you misjudge me wildly. I will avoid participation in this sort of thing as much as I can - though I am not perhaps above answering back given enough uncharitable behaviour. Clearly you are the same.

You will probably, if you are of insightful nature, reflect on this and realise you have been unreasonable towards those of us who aren’t “anti-American” anyway - but it has no significant chance of changing my attitude to the USA or Great Britain for the worse, only of being marginally unpleasant reading - so no worries if you don’t.

As I have said before when it counted, God bless America. God bless you, too. Take care.
 
No I’m not. I’m really not.
And yet in the very next paragraph you follow that up by implying and inferring the exactly thing you just denied. :doh2:
The UK is not a big country, and the coffins of our own are coming home on a fairly regular basis, so I thought I would leave it there rather than stray into such potentially inclement waters. I shall continue to do so, and thank you for your kind words. 🙂
Feel free to stray.

Point of fact, those coffins are the direct result of British foreign policy. The U.S. did not force Britain into Afghanistan. However, WWII was uniquely a European conflict into which the U.S. was thrown.

Secondly, Britain’s current involvement in the war on terror is waged entirely with volunteer forces. However, American troops in WWII were mostly conscripts.
You do that, if you wish. I could be far more uncharitable than I have been in response to that - and as you clearly know, it is tempting for someone who loves their own country as much as you love yours to rile up when somebody insults it. I do not want to go through the looking-glass you already have, however, and insult all the perfectly nice Americans here, and the ones I call friends, and perhaps even insult the American war dead because I perceive, wrongly or rightly, that someone is bashing a particular country.
If you would kindly go back over this thread, you will see that the Brits in here started bashing America first. That’s what started this specific debate. You will also note the historical facts that I cited to bolster my case.
“obvious motives”? “suspect”? …really? 🤷
You are wrong in every sense, and you misjudge me wildly. I will avoid participation in this sort of thing as much as I can - though I am not perhaps above answering back given enough uncharitable behaviour. Clearly you are the same.
You will probably, if you are of insightful nature, reflect on this and realise you have been unreasonable towards those of us who aren’t “anti-American” anyway - but it has no significant chance of changing my attitude to the USA or Great Britain for the worse, only of being marginally unpleasant reading - so no worries if you don’t.
As I have said before when it counted, God bless America. God bless you, too. Take care.
The problem here of course, is that you have already been participating in the bashing, albeit, you are simply doing so by obvious inference through insinuation and implication. And that doesn’t make your motives any less charitable, it simply makes their insidious intentions more understated and ulterior.

Perhaps we should both step back and reflect upon all of this.🤷

May God grant both of us Peace and Pardon.
 
And yet in the very next paragraph you follow that up by implying and inferring the exactly thing you just denied. :doh2:
No, I did not do that.
those coffins are the direct result of
And… we’re done on that.

For everyone’s sake. 👍
insidious intentions more understated and ulterior.
I would ask you to stop giving me “ulterior”, “insidious” motives and intentions that you are imagining, and saying what I’m inferring and so on.

It is not fair play - being both wrong as in “not right” and wrong as in “incorrect”.
May God grant both of us Peace and Pardon.
Agreed, God bless you sir.
 
I would ask you to stop giving me “ulterior”, “insidious” motives and intentions that you are imagining, and saying what I’m inferring and so on.
Wouldn’t it be much easier for everyone if you simply stated the specifics that seem to be on your mind?

But instead of clarification, you respond with:
And… we’re done on that.
For everyone’s sake. 👍
Holy Spirit, Guide us through this. Amen.
 
Wouldn’t it be much easier for everyone if you simply stated the specifics that seem to be on your mind?

But instead of clarification, you respond with:

Holy Spirit, Guide us through this. Amen.
I don’t think Ephesians was attacking americans or america, Try to cut him some slack
and try to be more charitable. 😊
 
I don’t think Ephesians was attacking americans or america, Try to cut him some slack
and try to be more charitable. 😊
I’m honestly not sure what he was trying to be. His messages were seemingly mixed. But okay. I’ll be more charitable.
 
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