Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

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Brave patriots defending freedom showing up armed to disrupt a Church service .
What this mob (which never broke a window or overturned a trash can) loathes, is having people shooting at them and intimidating them for not thinking the right way.

They don want to be liked by these people. They are also indifferent to the sanctimonious diatribes of the meek and the cowardly, who are too busy bending over backwards to appease the Islamists that they don’t even care what is happening to their freedoms in the meantime.
:hmmm:
This is a lot like where I came into this “macho rambling” thread;
that is, the last two posts above sound a “wee bit” like my:
“nice wee bit of macho rambling”. 😛

PS:
My reference to men made of sterner stuff probably could have used a few eye rolls :rolleyes:
I guess. 🤷

rex
 
:hmmm:
This is a lot like where I came into this “macho rambling” thread;
that is, the last two posts above sound a “wee bit” like my:
“nice wee bit of macho rambling”. 😛

PS:
My reference to men made of sterner stuff probably could have used a few eye rolls :rolleyes:
I guess. 🤷

rex
It is fine to criticize these people for being obnoxious. It is fine to laud ourselves for being meek and nice and more moral than bikers with guns.
But my perspective is that those who sit on their hands in the face of a violent assault of basic Western freedoms do not hold the higher moral ground over this obnoxious behavior.
The message of the bikers with their anti-Islamic tee shirts is clear enough. “We got guns and we don’t like you and we are going to get in your face. What are you going to do about it?”

Contrast that to the message of “We are meek and nice and we understand why people want to kill us, so we aren’t going to do anything about it when we get shot at.Your right to not be insulted is soooo much more important than the freedoms that our own forefathers died protecting.”

Christians can look down our noses and make snide and sarcastic remarks all they want at these bikers with their cartoons and tee shirts. My guess is that these bikers don’t really care what people too listless to defend their own freedoms think of them.
 
It is fine to criticize these people for being obnoxious. It is fine to laud ourselves for being meek and nice and more moral than bikers with guns.
But my perspective is that those who sit on their hands in the face of a violent assault of basic Western freedoms do not hold the higher moral ground over this obnoxious behavior.
The message of the bikers with their anti-Islamic tee shirts is clear enough. “We got guns and we don’t like you and we are going to get in your face. What are you going to do about it?”

Contrast that to the message of “We are meek and nice and we understand why people want to kill us, so we aren’t going to do anything about it when we get shot at.Your right to not be insulted is soooo much more important than the freedoms that our own forefathers died protecting.”

Christians can look down our noses and make snide and sarcastic remarks all they want at these bikers with their cartoons and tee shirts. My guess is that these bikers don’t really care what people too listless to defend their own freedoms think of them.
What freedoms are currently under attack that need defending? What did they hope to accomplish with this “protest”? If they got their way, what exactly would change?

I’m reminded of St. John of the Cross’ quote: Where there is no love, put love, and you will draw love out. I believe that the opposite is also true: Where there is no hate, put hate, and you will draw hate out.
 
What freedoms are currently under attack that need defending? What did they hope to accomplish with this “protest”? If they got their way, what exactly would change?

I’m reminded of St. John of the Cross’ quote: Where there is no love, put love, and you will draw love out. I believe that the opposite is also true: Where there is no hate, put hate, and you will draw hate out.
Well if you don’t know what freedoms of under threat when film makers have notes stabbed into their dead hearts warning the women actress " You’re next", then the bikers with guns are at least have more of an inkling of what is happening in the world.
 
What freedoms are currently under attack that need defending? What did they hope to accomplish with this “protest”? If they got their way, what exactly would change?

I’m reminded of St. John of the Cross’ quote: Where there is no love, put love, and you will draw love out. I believe that the opposite is also true: Where there is no hate, put hate, and you will draw hate out.
Cant you see the connection? If a Muslim kills someone in Syria you must respond by disrupting religious services in AZ
 
Geller certainly does not curry favor with many. Nonetheless, I for one, will consider her article that Imams often influence those who attend their Mosques.
“Boston Beheader Plotted Murder of Pamela Geller Who Had Been Condemned by His Imam” -
The mosques and the imams behind the jihad attacks are never addressed by the media or the Obama administration. And that’s where these terrible ideas are taught, advanced and promoted. There have been over 26,000 jihadi attacks since 9/11, each one with the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric.
Consider this: the Oklahoma jihad beheader, Jah’Keem Yisrael, attended a mosque that promoted jihad, the caliphate, hatred of America and Israel. In the wake of the Jah’keem’s beheading of co-worker Collen Hufford, an Obama administration official flew in to Oklahoma to present a special thank you letter to the mosque.
This is a pattern. A good friend of Garland jihadi Elton Simpson said he would never waver from the teachings he picked up in the mosque and elsewhere. “He was one of those guys who would sleep at the mosque,” Courtney Lonergan said. “The fact that he felt personally insulted by somebody drawing a picture had to come from the ideological rhetoric coming out of the mosque.”
Maybe she exaggerates. On the other hand, they are getting it from somewhere. Online would seem generally a much lesser impressive manner.
 
Geller certainly does not curry favor with many. Nonetheless, I for one, will consider her article that Imams often influence those who attend their Mosques.

Maybe she exaggerates. On the other hand, they are getting it from somewhere. Online would seem generally a much lesser impressive manner.
I don’t know if she exaggerates or not. Maybe, now fourteen years after 911, nobody knows if she exaggerates or not.

It is politically incorrect to examine mosques too closely. They are even likened to churches by some. What is known, although seldom discussed, is the global financing of mosques through Wahabbi petro-dollars.
 
Cant you see the connection? If a Muslim kills someone in Syria you must respond by disrupting religious services in AZ
Are you informed about this story? 2 of the Jihadis that went to this Mosque were the two that attempted to shoot at the Garland meeting.
 
Writing something like this would lead one to wonder. This seems to be your impression.
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Cant you see the connection? If a Muslim kills someone in Syria you must respond by disrupting religious services in AZ
I don’t see where religious ceremonies were disrupted, the place is behind a fence too.
 
I don’t know if she exaggerates or not. Maybe, now fourteen years after 911, nobody knows if she exaggerates or not.

It is politically incorrect to examine mosques too closely. They are even likened to churches by some. What is known, although seldom discussed, is the global financing of mosques through Wahabbi petro-dollars.
Good point, that is whom does fund it and they have funded according to various sources, billions of dollars in activities around the world.

It seems the way some go after the protesters seems to show leftist thought in America today, relies largely on character assassination.

I’ve watched local police watch a mosque when prayers are let out, hey, if it is good enough for the police, it’s good enough for the citizenry. This may be the kind of activism needed despite some rough edges.

If Imams preach these unkempt teachings, it is certainly warranted that these places be watched and we have example after example of these teachings and these teachings being acted on, the Twin Towers bombing I believe, Fort Hood shootings and so on. I am not sure that Aw Awlaki was a cleric in this case.
 
👍 Glad to hear it. I suspect our good friend the author might even agree if pressed a little. I tend to paint in broad strokes myself - saves time and energy.

Now, if only the teachings of the Catholic Church inspired that kind of enthusiasm and unwavering, unquestioning devotion…
 
Good point, that is whom does fund it and they have funded according to various sources, billions of dollars in activities around the world.

It seems the way some go after the protesters seems to show leftist thought in America today, relies largely on character assassination.

I’ve watched local police watch a mosque when prayers are let out, hey, if it is good enough for the police, it’s good enough for the citizenry. This may be the kind of activism needed despite some rough edges.

If Imams preach these unkempt teachings, it is certainly warranted that these places be watched and we have example after example of these teachings and these teachings being acted on, the Twin Towers bombing I believe, Fort Hood shootings and so on. I am not sure that Aw Awlaki was a cleric in this case.
Police, as well as citizens, may also have “some rough edges.” And there is nothing wrong with citizen watchdogs. However, this particular group seems to me to be going overboard with the presence of guns and childish signs mocking Muhammad and Islam. There is a bullying, intimidating atmosphere created here, not merely an active citizen concern for security.

It is the rough edges that need to be monitored, whether we are speaking of government, police, or citizens. Otherwise, the rights of the individual and the freedoms which we cherish–speech, press, religion–become imperiled. The interesting is that when any of these freedoms are abused by being exercised irresponsibly, they are subject to curtailment.
 
Police, as well as citizens, may also have “some rough edges.” And there is nothing wrong with citizen watchdogs. However, this particular group seems to me to be going overboard with the presence of guns and childish signs mocking Muhammad and Islam. There is a bullying, intimidating atmosphere created here, not merely an active citizen concern for security.

It is the rough edges that need to be monitored, whether we are speaking of government, police, or citizens. Otherwise, the rights of the individual and the freedoms which we cherish–speech, press, religion–become imperiled. The interesting is that when any of these freedoms are abused by being exercised irresponsibly, they are subject to curtailment.
I will not respond to a post that seems to simply try to badmouth others as much as possible, appears to me to lack rationale and information, let alone, demonize as much as possible with outlandish theories and unfounded statements.
 
I take this as an attack on the poster and not on the argument itself since you point nothing out that someone said. Just a general statement that can apply to anything or any single post. It reminds me of the concept of bullying.
 
Geller certainly does not curry favor with many. Nonetheless, I for one, will consider her article that Imams often influence those who attend their Mosques.

Maybe she exaggerates. On the other hand, they are getting it from somewhere. Online would seem generally a much lesser impressive manner.
I dont think that Sharia law is coming to the USA, its ISIL whom wants to bring its own distorted version of law to the world. But ISIL goes against Islam. American Muslims are not interested in over turning the laws of the USA, otherwise there would be chaos all across the USA. The vast majority of Muslims around the world reject extremist Ideology such as what ISIL brings forth. I haven’t seen Pam Geller and Robert Spencer bring forth polls and studies which portray Muslims in a positive light.

Jihad for example is an act that True Muslims carry out, such as what we see from the Muslims taking on ISIL or from a Muslim who works to bring together people of different belief systems.

Also, here is a source which looks at the history of Mosques in the USA, and this source will reveal similarities between Christians and Muslims, Christians and Muslims answer to polls in similar manners, but this is not shown on Pam Gellers website…

*Mosques have been here since the colonial era. A mosque, or masjid, is literally any place where Muslims make salat, the prayer performed in the direction of Mecca; it needn’t be a building. One of the first mosques in North American history was on Kent Island, Md.: Between 1731 and 1733, *

*According to recent Pew and Gallup polls, about 40 percent of Muslim Americans say they pray in a mosque at least once a week, nearly the same percentage of American Christians who attend church weekly. About a third of all U.S. Muslims say they seldom or never go to mosques. And contrary to stereotypes of mosques as male-only spaces, Gallup finds that women are as likely as men to attend. *

On the view that American Muslims want to spread Sharia law in the USA,
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Islamic law includes not only the Koran and the Sunna (the traditions of the prophet Muhammad) but also great bodies of arcane legal rulings and pedantic scholarly interpretations. If mosques forced Islamic law upon their congregants, most Muslims would probably leave – just as most Christians might walk out of the pews if preachers gave sermons exclusively on Saint Augustine, canon law and Greek grammar. Instead, mosques study the Koran and the Sunna and how the principles and stories in those sacred texts apply to their everyday lives. *

Irt the Funding of Mosques in the USA,

*There certainly have been instances in which foreign funds, especially from Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf region, have been used to build mosques in the United States. The Saudi royal family, for example, reportedly gave $8 million for the building of the King Fahd Mosque, which was inaugurated in 1998 in Culver City, a Los Angeles suburb.

But the vast majority of mosques are supported by Muslim Americans themselves. Domestic funding reflects the desire of many U.S. Muslims to be independent of overseas influences. Long before Sept. 11, 2001, in the midst of a growing clash of interests between some Muslim-majority nations and the U.S. government – during the Persian Gulf War, for instance – Muslim American leaders decided that they must draw primarily from U.S. sources of funding for their projects. *

And irt the big one, which is the view that Mosques in the USA are a center for terror training.
  • To the contrary, mosques have become typical American religious institutions. In addition to worship services, most U.S. mosques hold weekend classes for children, offer charity to the poor, provide counseling services and conduct interfaith programs.
No doubt, some mosques have encouraged radical extremism. Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind Egyptian sheik who inspired the World Trade Center’s first attackers in 1993, operated out of the Al-Salam mosque in Jersey City, N.J. But after the 2001 attacks, such radicalism was largely pushed out of mosques and onto the Internet, mainly because of a renewed commitment among mosque leaders to confront extremism. *

more,

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/26/AR2010082605510.html
 
Some people don’t like religious clothing, from wearing crucifixes to wearing hijabs and burkas. This is the USA though, if you don’t like it, tough.
 
How Saudi Wahhabism Is the Fountainhead of Islamist Terrorism
It would be troublesome but perhaps acceptable for the House of Saud to promote the intolerant and extremist Wahhabi creed just domestically. But, unfortunately, for decades the Saudis have also lavishly financed its propagation abroad. Exact numbers are not known, but it is thought that more than $100 billion have been spent on exporting fanatical Wahhabism to various much poorer Muslim nations worldwide over the past three decades. It might well be twice that number. By comparison, the Soviets spent about $7 billion spreading communism worldwide in the 70 years from 1921 and 1991.
This appears to be a monumental campaign to bulldoze the more moderate strains of Islam …
This is not World Net Daily or some website like that, this is the Huffington Post. That’s a lot of money, I’d think some of it could come here to the USA.
 
I will not respond to a post that seems to simply try to badmouth others as much as possible, appears to me to lack rationale and information, let alone, demonize as much as possible with outlandish theories and unfounded statements.
Nonetheless, you have done quite a good job in responding! But honestly, I fail to understand what you find so “demonizing,” “outlandish,” “unfounded,” “badmouth(ing),” and “lack(ing) rationale and information” in my previous post. In fact, I was partially agreeing about what you had stated before concerning citizens who take charge. Please re-read what I stated.
 
I have read statements in the past that the Le Penn party wanted to ethnically cleanse France of a certain kind of people, in this thread, we read perhaps these protesters want to put people in concentration camps. These kinds of statements are totally over the top, hyperbole, excessive, have little basis in reality while at the same time seem awfully unkind. And talk about asserting strawmen, if debate is judged, let’s do it fairly, not on some self-serving basis besides walking into the middle of a conversation and judging it from there.

Perhaps the great wrong these people protesting did is being white in a number of cases, not all from the video I saw or having guns, in the case of Arizona, legal in the eyes of some.

I will engage in rationale statements backed up with data.
 
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