Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

[HolyCrusader007]

Some pictures from the Anti Muslim event in Arizona,
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[Neofight]

“…Clearly there needs to be many, many more of these events in order to educate Islamists living in America that the population will never heed to their tyranny…www.frontpagemag.com…”

These may be teachings of whatever the “post-modern tribal Catholic” church is, but it lacks the charity and humility of the teachings of Mother Church.

Peace and all good!

 

[Path_Finder]

And, really, how much more juvenile can you get? I hope the folks defending this, would also defend a group of atheists who staged a mockery of the Eucharist outside a church.

Fair enough, you compare the Catholic Church to a Mosque that has produced known terrorists.

 

[Path_Finder]

By the way, there was a protest, I see little evidence of using cuss words and likewise abuse.

Oh, maybe a t-shirt was offensive, maybe we have to follow Sharia Law and not wear such.

 

[FollowChrist34]

Welcome to the world of Self-Expression and Moral Relativism. What you feel is true, what you feel is right is the basis of civil discourse. If it works for the left, I see no reason for the right not to do it. Facts, truth - an encumberance; it’s all subjective anyway. Ditto social responsibility, common good, human rights, etc. In all fairness, we don’t respect Christians’ rights of worship any better than Muslims’ rights of worship…why demand more coherence and integrity from citizens than from the government. What’s next I wonder.

 

[Tbrightson]

All I know is that although most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are muslim.

 

[TEPO]

Hi Tepo,

Islamist is a term that was coined some time in the 16th or 17th century. The terms Islamist or Islamism, can not be found in the Quran, Sunnah, or Hadiths.

I feel that the following surveys paint a picture of Muslims that we dont see on sites like Frontpagemag.

In the United States, Pew surveys have found 63 percent of Muslims see no conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. Sixty-four percent of U.S. Christians see no conflict between being a devout Christian and living in a modern society.

huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/islamist-is-it-time-to-reconsider-the-term_b_1624319.html

The problem with this comparison is ‘apples and oranges’.

The term Islamist applies to people who are Sharia Law apologists. Sharia Law is a form of government, with courts, laws and enforcement agents who put into place laws based on Islamic teachings.

There can be no such thing as a Christianist because the ideological aspects of the Christian faith have no ordered form for the implementation of Christian laws -because there are no Christian laws… We evolved alongside Democracy -therefore, we fit into society like a perfectly fitted puzzle piece.

Have you ever known a Christian who voiced an opinion that anyone who misses Church on Sunday should be put in jail or fined? Have you ever heard a Christian say that young girls who have premarital sex should be legally whipped in public by their parents? How about they must marry only Christians or get whipped? Leave Christianity get thrown in jail…? Of course not. But Islamists believe that their religious freedom depends on these types of punishments.

…58% of US Muslims cry out for the implementation of Sharia Law in their community -absolute violations of human rights in America. This is why there needs to be a word such as Islamist, and it’s why there is no need for a term such as ‘Christianist’.

 

[FollowChrist34]

All I know is that although most Muslims are not terrorists, most terrorists are muslim.

A worthy observation I am loath to disagree with. As long we don’t take up arming ourselves and randomly shooting them down à la the UVF and the IRA, I’m good…some people get a little unhinged in a quest to rid a country of undesirables…

 

[KP3243]

And, really, how much more juvenile can you get? I hope the folks defending this, would also defend a group of atheists who staged a mockery of the Eucharist outside a church.

Catholic property is always listed as residential not commercial. Besides that we have JPII’s example when he was in Latin America in the 80s and they sent the military in.

 

[TEPO]

“…Clearly there needs to be many, many more of these events in order to educate Islamists living in America that the population will never heed to their tyranny…www.frontpagemag.com…”

These may be teachings of whatever the “post-modern tribal Catholic” church is, but it lacks the charity and humility of the teachings of Mother Church.

Peace and all good!

“Post modern tribal Catholic” refers to my place and time as a confirmed Roman Catholic. We are to live within the society. We are the Church Militant as opposed to the Church Triumphant.

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Welcome to the world of Self-Expression and Moral Relativism. What you feel is true, what you feel is right is the basis of civil discourse. If it works for the left, I see no reason for the right not to do it. Facts, truth - an encumberance; it’s all subjective anyway. Ditto social responsibility, common good, human rights, etc. In all fairness, we don’t respect Christians’ rights of worship any better than Muslims’ rights of worship…why demand more coherence and integrity from citizens than from the government. What’s next I wonder.

I hope you are being sarcastic but this certainly seems to be the way things are going these days.

Many people actually seem to think “two wrongs make a right” or at least “If I am not quite as wrong as the Other Guy then I must be right”.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

Gilliam and others are right. These anti-Islamic protests are a shame and an embarrassment.

Muslims are, what, 0.9% of the population here? And most Muslims, statistically speaking, aren’t violent: there are enough of them on our planet that the world would be in flames if all or even most were violent.

Bottom line: extremist variations of Islamic law aren’t a danger for denizens of the United States. Picking fights with Muslims is just a cheap, transparent, morally ugly right-wing culture war tactic that deserves the strongest denunciation.

Oh, and for us Catholics such Islamophobia is also infuriatingly myopic. We need to be allying with and *working with *Muslims, who are people of monotheistic convictions like us, in the face of an increasingly secular culture. Together we can promote an awareness of God’s importance, work for justice informed by the righteousness of God, and help the poor and suffering.

Divided we just become a bunch of idiots yelling nonsense at each other. And secularism wins by dividing and conquering.

They were trying to force a religious institution to close and accusing people who worship there of all sorts of things that have not been proven. Also they were out to provoke others to violence by mocking the religion. Reminds me of the anti-Catholic and anti-Mormon thuggery we had in the US in the 1800s. It was morally wrong then and it is morally wrong now.

Exactly.

Did 58% of Catholics or Mormons in the US advocate for human rights violations back then? If not, then we shouldn’t compare apples and oranges.

This culture war approach only helps the militant secularists claim the culture. We ought to look upon most Muslims as friends and allies.

Answer honestly: how would you feel if a venomously anti-Catholic mob, armed to the teeth, “protested” our faith, spouted sacrilege, and profaned holy things outside your local parish as you emerged from Mass?

I don’t know about you, but I’d consider that (soft) persecution.

Fair enough, you compare the Catholic Church to a Mosque that has produced known terrorists.

A mosque is a particular religion’s house of worship. So yes, it is comparable to a Catholic church in that regard.

Doesn’t the Golden Rule still count here? Or do you think it doesn’t apply to how we treat Muslims? They’re the Bad Guys, so they don’t count?

You and I wouldn’t want a blasphemous anti-Catholic mob harassing our parish, so we shouldn’t condone an anti-Islam mob deliberately insulting their religious texts and beliefs outside their house of worship, either.

It’s that simple.

Oh, maybe a t-shirt was offensive, maybe we have to follow Sharia Law and not wear such.

(a) Did you see the page ripped out of the Qur’an? That’s horrifying for Muslims.

(b) No one is saying offensive t-shirts should be illegal. What we are saying is that only an immoral jerk wears a t-shirt that deliberately insults someone’s beliefs. No Catholic should do that.

 

[FollowChrist34]

I hope you are being sarcastic but this certainly seems to be the way things are going these days.

Many people actually seem to think “two wrongs make a right” or at least “If I am not quite as wrong as the Other Guy then I must be right”.

I am being sarcastic in that I think this is interesting and entertaining to watch. I am earnest in my concern about what is happening. And it is happening on different levels for the same reason. It is ok to shout down an Indiana religious freedom law because you feel it is offensive or sue someone because they follow the Bible on gay marriage and refuse to offer services for a gay wedding; to fire a CEO because he opposes gay marriage; why is it not ok to mock and threaten a Muslim community because they adhere to beliefs that offend you, and have violent members? In the interest of equality, we must allow both. Nobody is getting hurt (I mean REALLY hurt) - yet.

 

[Path_Finder]

Since this was a protest and apparently more peaceful than some other demonstrations that have been in the news lately, I think we all can recall those words of Edmund Burke:

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’

Therefore, we should thank these peaceful protesters.

 

[Path_Finder]

Gilliam and others are right. These anti-Islamic protests are a shame and an embarrassment.

Muslims are, what, 0.9% of the population here? And most Muslims, statistically speaking, aren’t violent: there are enough of them on our planet that the world would be in flames if all or even most were violent.

Bottom line: extremist variations of Islamic law aren’t a danger for denizens of the United States. Picking fights with Muslims is just a cheap, transparent, morally ugly right-wing culture war tactic that deserves the strongest denunciation.

Oh, and for us Catholics such Islamophobia is also infuriatingly myopic. We need to be allying with and *working with *Muslims, who are people of monotheistic convictions like us, in the face of an increasingly secular culture. Together we can promote an awareness of God’s importance, work for justice informed by the righteousness of God, and help the poor and suffering.

Divided we just become a bunch of idiots yelling nonsense at each other. And secularism wins by dividing and conquering.

Exactly.

This culture war approach only helps the militant secularists claim the culture. We ought to look upon most Muslims as friends and allies.

Answer honestly: how would you feel if a venomously anti-Catholic mob, armed to the teeth, “protested” our faith, spouted sacrilege, and profaned holy things outside your local parish as you emerged from Mass?

I don’t know about you, but I’d consider that (soft) persecution.

A mosque is a particular religion’s house of worship. So yes, it is comparable to a Catholic church in that regard.

Doesn’t the Golden Rule still count here? Or do you think it doesn’t apply to how we treat Muslims? They’re the Bad Guys, so they don’t count?

You and I wouldn’t want a blasphemous anti-Catholic mob harassing our parish, so we shouldn’t condone an anti-Islam mob deliberately insulting their religious texts and beliefs outside their house of worship, either.

It’s that simple.

(a) Did you see the page ripped out of the Qur’an? That’s horrifying for Muslims.

(b) No one is saying offensive t-shirts should be illegal. What we are saying is that only an immoral jerk wears a t-shirt that deliberately insults someone’s beliefs. No Catholic should do that.

b) First off, “immoral jerk”, I am not following through on this judgement. Calling others idiots, my gosh, where was the condemnation for the Terrorists this place has had.

A page ripped out of the Koran? As I said in another post, there are horrifying quotes from the Koran and before we say we could say the same about the Old Testament, those are not commands such as Qur’an 47:4

 

[TEPO]

Oh, and for us Catholics such Islamophobia is also infuriatingly myopic. We need to be allying with and *working with *Muslims, who are people of monotheistic convictions like us, in the face of an increasingly secular culture. Together we can promote an awareness of God’s importance, work for justice informed by the righteousness of God, and help the poor and suffering.

Divided we just become a bunch of idiots yelling nonsense at each other. And secularism wins by dividing and conquering.

This culture war approach only helps the militant secularists claim the culture. We ought to look upon most Muslims as friends and allies.

Who said they were against “the Muslims”? Nobody is against them, but it’s the Islamists, who are much worse than “secularists” when it comes to human rights.

 

[Path_Finder]

It may be rough around the edges but I don’t deny some of what these protesters did is probably good.

 

[ToeInTheWater]

Bottom line: extremist variations of Islamic law aren’t a danger for denizens of the United States. Picking fights with Muslims is just a cheap, transparent, morally ugly right-wing culture war tactic that deserves the strongest denunciation.

While I doubt Sharia law is going to be established in the US anytime soon, I do hope you’re not stating that Islamists don’t pose any threat to “denizens of the US” at all. So far since 9/11 there have only been “lone wolf” attacks that didn’t result in thousands of deaths, but I suspect that the victims of the Boston Marathon bombing would disagree with you.

Oh, and for us Catholics such Islamophobia is also infuriatingly myopic. We need to be allying with and *working with *Muslims, who are people of monotheistic convictions like us, in the face of an increasingly secular culture. Together we can promote an awareness of God’s importance, work for justice informed by the righteousness of God, and help the poor and suffering.

Divided we just become a bunch of idiots yelling nonsense at each other. And secularism wins by dividing and conquering.

Yes, I recall that a recent topic on France barring Muslim women from wearing the hijab where many Catholics interpreted it as “Yay finally someone cracking down on those naughty terrorist-loving Muslims” and NOT as the attack on religious liberty that it is. What about Catholic women who “veil” as a spiritual exercise, what about those who wear a crucifix, etc.

 

[Seamus_L]

While I initially thought the protest was a silly idea, and still think there were probably wiser ways to have handled it, I’am glad at least that this group of people have made the public aware of the history of the Islamic Community Center of North Phoenix.

 

[Path_Finder]

For their peaceful demonstration and calling attention to this locale where apparently some Radical Ideologues have attended.

The demonstration was peaceful, there is plenty of video at the scene, I did not see people wearing the profane shirt, there may have been pistols carried as side-arms but I did not see at the scene any protesters bandying rifles (one picture away from the place of worship did have someone carrying a rifle, perhaps these were put away before they got there). The protestors were kept separate from the police. I did not see any mocking drawings.