Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

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PHOENIX —About 250 mostly armed anti-Muslim demonstrators — many wearing T-shirts bearing a profanity-laced message denouncing Islam — faced-off against a crowd of roughly the same size defending the faith in front of a Phoenix mosque Friday night.

Demonstrators yelled and taunted one another across a line of police separating the two sides but violence did not break out.

Jon Ritzheimer, the organizer of the protest, called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.

“I would love to see more of these events pop up in other states,” Ritzheimer said. “I want fellow patriots standing right here next to me. This isn’t about me. Everybody’s been thinking it, I’m just saying it.”

Usama Shami, president of the Islamic center, said he was not surprised by the event.

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Exiled_Child said:
washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/05/30/hundreds-gather-in-arizona-for-armed-anti-muslim-protest/?tid=pm_national_pop_b

PHOENIX —About 250 mostly armed anti-Muslim demonstrators — many wearing T-shirts bearing a profanity-laced message denouncing Islam — faced-off against a crowd of roughly the same size defending the faith in front of a Phoenix mosque Friday night.

Demonstrators yelled and taunted one another across a line of police separating the two sides but violence did not break out.

Jon Ritzheimer, the organizer of the protest, called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.

“I would love to see more of these events pop up in other states,” Ritzheimer said. “I want fellow patriots standing right here next to me. This isn’t about me. Everybody’s been thinking it, I’m just saying it.”

Usama Shami, president of the Islamic center, said he was not surprised by the event.

The article continues online.
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Ritzheimer and his family were forced to go into hiding after recieving multiple death threats for voicing free speech. Clearly there needs to be many, many more of these events in order to educate Islamists living in America that the population will never heed to their tyranny.

Islamism is a widespread problem, with 40% of all Muslims wishing for human rights violations to become law in America via Islamic law.
frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/40-percent-of-us-muslim-voters-want-islamic-law-12-percent-want-death-for-blasphemers/

(a more recent poll suggests the number has risen to 58%)
 
Armed protesters ?

The cops must’ve felt great about policing that crowd. :rolleyes:

Jim
 
Anybody pulls a gun on the protesters, and they know that theirs is not the only gun in the crowd.
This is what America\s right to arms is all about.
 
We don’t need armed para-military groups holding rallies condemning religions outside of places of worship. That isn’t what the USA is all about.

It may be legal, but it is morally wrong.
 
gilliam said:
We don’t need armed para-military groups holding rallies condemning religions outside of places of worship. That isn’t what the USA is all about.

It may be legal, but it is morally wrong.
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How is it morally wrong to protest human rights violations while protecting your life?
 
TEPO said:
How is it morally wrong to protest human rights violations while protecting your life?
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They were trying to force a religious institution to close and accusing people who worship there of all sorts of things that have not been proven. Also they were out to provoke others to violence by mocking the religion. Reminds me of the anti-Catholic and anti-Mormon thuggery we had in the US in the 1800s. It was morally wrong then and it is morally wrong now.
 
gilliam said:
They were trying to force a religious institution to close and accusing people who worship there of all sorts of things that have not been proven. Also they were out to provoke others to violence by mocking the religion. Reminds me of the anti-Catholic and anti-Mormon thuggery we had in the US in the 1800s. It was morally wrong then and it is morally wrong now.
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Did 58% of Catholics or Mormons in the US advocate for human rights violations back then? If not, then we shouldn’t compare apples and oranges.
 
gilliam said:
We don’t need armed para-military groups holding rallies condemning religions outside of places of worship. That isn’t what the USA is all about.

It may be legal, but it is morally wrong.
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👍 Fully agree with this.
 
TEPO said:
How is it morally wrong to protest human rights violations while protecting your life?
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There is a grey area,

Wrong to go protest outside of a worship place armed,
Right to defend oneself whereas threats were made against the protesters, let’s not forget that.

Wrong to mock religion.
Right to point out alarmist aspects of a belief system such as this place of worship did produce persons being watched by the FBI or who were involved in a terrorist incident.

So I don’t think the answer is simple.

Unfortunately, it can not be denied that some Clerics have had some teachings that likewise are not peaceful.

The cleric at the place attended by the Tsarnaevs I believe had been around quite a bit.
 
Exiled_Child said:
washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/05/30/hundreds-gather-in-arizona-for-armed-anti-muslim-protest/?tid=pm_national_pop_b

PHOENIX —About 250 mostly armed anti-Muslim demonstrators — many wearing T-shirts bearing a profanity-laced message denouncing Islam — faced-off against a crowd of roughly the same size defending the faith in front of a Phoenix mosque Friday night.

Demonstrators yelled and taunted one another across a line of police separating the two sides but violence did not break out.

Jon Ritzheimer, the organizer of the protest, called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.

“I would love to see more of these events pop up in other states,” Ritzheimer said. “I want fellow patriots standing right here next to me. This isn’t about me. Everybody’s been thinking it, I’m just saying it.”

Usama Shami, president of the Islamic center, said he was not surprised by the event.

The article continues online.
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It is reported that Samuel Johnson said that “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel,” and Mark Twain echoed Johnson’s sentiment. However, in the case of those gathered in Arizona for an armed anti-Muslim protest outside a mosque, I blame it primarily on the heat.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Armed protesters ?

The cops must’ve felt great about policing that crowd. :rolleyes:

Jim
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Maybe a person should find it antagonistic as well that the protesters had threats made against them. This should not be forgotten. People should have the right to defend themselves.

I doubt if we would want America to become free of protests expressing our opinions because people are threatened.

That is not what America is about either.
 
Showing up at the Mosque armed with vulgar words thrown at the religion of the people who attend that Mosque, only serves to place fear into their hearts.

Fear will cause people to become defensive and react, often in the wrong way which only causes more harm than good.

In actuality, the armed protestors are reacting to their own fear in their belief that Islam is out to harm them.

The entire protests is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Unfortunately, the mindset of the protestors is growing in this country and will bring about more unrest and eventually armed conflicts which will cause great suffering.

St Teresa of Avila said that during times of crisis, Christians need to be better Christians.

Pope Francis is providing the example, but unfortunately, it’s not catching on, even within Catholic circles.

Jim
 
TEPO said:
Ritzheimer and his family were forced to go into hiding after recieving multiple death threats for voicing free speech. Clearly there needs to be many, many more of these events in order to educate Islamists living in America that the population will never heed to their tyranny.

Islamism is a widespread problem, with 40% of all Muslims wishing for human rights violations to become law in America via Islamic law.
frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/40-percent-of-us-muslim-voters-want-islamic-law-12-percent-want-death-for-blasphemers/

(a more recent poll suggests the number has risen to 58%)
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Hi Tepo,

Islamist is a term that was coined some time in the 16th or 17th century. The terms Islamist or Islamism, can not be found in the Quran, Sunnah, or Hadiths.

I feel that the following surveys paint a picture of Muslims that we dont see on sites like Frontpagemag.

In the United States, Pew surveys have found 63 percent of Muslims see no conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society. Sixty-four percent of U.S. Christians see no conflict between being a devout Christian and living in a modern society.

huffingtonpost.com/david-briggs/islamist-is-it-time-to-reconsider-the-term_b_1624319.html

Only 3 years after the US led invasion of Afghanistan, a bbc poll suggested that a majority(72%) of Afghanistan viewed the USA in a positive fashion,

globescan.com/news_archives/bbc06-3/

I have not seen the above statistics listed on Frontpage mag or affiliates of front page mag.

Frontpagemag is ran by David Horowitz, here is some background on Mr Horowitz,

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2014/summer/The-Godfather
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Showing up at the Mosque armed with vulgar words thrown at the religion of the people who attend that Mosque,** only serves to place fear into their hearts.**

Fear will cause people to become defensive and react, often in the wrong way which only causes more harm than good.

In actuality, the armed protestors are reacting to their own fear in their belief that Islam is out to harm them.

The entire protests is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Unfortunately, the mindset of the protestors is growing in this country and will bring about more unrest and eventually armed conflicts which will cause great suffering.

St Teresa of Avila said that during times of crisis, Christians need to be better Christians.

Pope Francis is providing the example, but unfortunately, it’s not catching on, even within Catholic circles.

Jim
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Though I agree with the spirit of your post, some individual verses from their own Holy Book seems to put fear into many persons hearts as well.
 
gilliam said:
They were trying to force a religious institution to close and accusing people who worship there of all sorts of things that have not been proven. Also they were out to provoke others to violence by mocking the religion. Reminds me of the anti-Catholic and anti-Mormon thuggery we had in the US in the 1800s. It was morally wrong then and it is morally wrong now.
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👍

And, really, how much more juvenile can you get? I hope the folks defending this, would also defend a group of atheists who staged a mockery of the Eucharist outside a church.
 
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