Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

[TEPO]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

I see no difference between choosing a side in this debate and the choices Germans made in the 1930s. I’d like to think that I would have stood with the Jews in that country at that time.

What would you do?

I would have stood with the Jews too, as my ancestors did when they hid Jews and helped them escape through Slovakia… Because the Nazis were the terrorists, though not all Germans understood the gravity of their cause. Just like Many Muslims don’t understand the gravity of the Islamist cause, especially the youth.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Showing up at the Mosque armed with vulgar words thrown at the religion of the people who attend that Mosque, only serves to place fear into their hearts.

Fear will cause people to become defensive and react, often in the wrong way which only causes more harm than good.

In actuality, the armed protestors are reacting to their own fear in their belief that Islam is out to harm them.

The entire protests is the opposite of what Jesus taught.

Unfortunately, the mindset of the protestors is growing in this country and will bring about more unrest and eventually armed conflicts which will cause great suffering.

St Teresa of Avila said that during times of crisis, Christians need to be better Christians.

Pope Francis is providing the example, but unfortunately, it’s not catching on, even within Catholic circles.

Jim

I agree with you completely, Jim, and yours is one of my favorite statements of the thread. These anti-Islam provocations are the exact opposite of the Gospel message. That doesn’t address the legality of what’s going on, but, frankly, that doesn’t interest me at all anyway. The Gospels do interest me, though. So I just wanted to say thanks. It’s those sorts of reminders which keep us all awake and alive.

 

[Exiled_Child]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

I see no difference between choosing a side in this debate and the choices Germans made in the 1930s. I’d like to think that I would have stood with the Jews in that country at that time.

What would you do?

Yes, I like that very much! I would have stood over there with you and Bob, too.

 

[TEPO]

I agree with you completely, Jim, and yours is one of my favorite statements of the thread. These anti-Islam provocations are the exact opposite of the Gospel message. That doesn’t address the legality of what’s going on, but, frankly, that doesn’t interest me at all anyway. The Gospels do interest me, though. So I just wanted to say thanks. It’s those sorts of reminders which keep us all awake and alive.

Sorry. Maybe we should sit back and watch Salafist texts work their way into Islamic learning Centers and Mosques, and just let the Islamists continue creating terrorists who shoot cartoonists. The Catholic answer is to do nothing.

 

[TEPO]

Yes, I like that very much! I would have stood over there with you and Bob, too.

Why would you side with the Jews? Wouldn’t it make more sense to do nothing?

…Oh wait. You were referring to AZ. That’s right. You would have done nothing about the Nazis. But many Catholics didn’t.

 

[philipl]

I mean not all Muslims are bad, only a small fraction are terrorists. Why are so many people so ignorant? Jeez, I know so many Muslim people who condemn ISIS and all acts of extremism. Not every Muslim is ISIS.

Polls show that at a min 40% of all Muslim agree with the end result of ISIS.

I find it very ironic that most Catholics respect Jews more than Muslims, when Muslim people actually believe that Jesus was important and we have the same beliefs regarding Mary whereas Jews don’t even care about Jesus or Mary at all!

Yet, Muslims chop of the heads of Christians. I guess the Jews are doing it too but the Jewish controlled media stops it from being reported?

How would you feel if a bunch of Muslims or Zionists stood outside your Catholic Church armed and protesting?

Depends on what they are protesting. If the church were demanding the Pope have supreme authority over legal matters, I would be out there protesting along with them!

We can’t generalize an institution based on the sins of a small fraction of people. Look at Catholicism, a small fraction of priests cause abuse scandals, does this mean that all priests are like that?, NO! We must look at the good aspects of people and not judge others.

We judge people all the time. If we didnt there wouldn’t be jails.
JCats1;13014591:

I know must of you guys are patriotic and are still hurt at what happened during 9/11 but hey, the U.S kind of had a part in it as well, considering the FBI ignored warnings of such attacks.

She is kinda responsible for being raped because she dressed too sexy! True or not True?

 

[Path_Finder]

Sorry. Maybe we should sit back and watch Salafist texts work their way into Islamic learning Centers and Mosques, and just let the Islamists continue creating terrorists who shoot cartoonists. The Catholic answer is to do nothing.

Yes, the texts, it be that treatise we hear about from the past that led to camps being built. The same incendiary analogy could be asked “would one stand with the protesters outside of the gates of the camps?” There was not room for protests back then. And there is not room for protests in some societies. Some of what we see in Syria now, was because in the beginning with minor protests, the protesters were treated harshly.

Those so critical should cite one cartoon or one picture that shows the protesters in a negative light to warrant such criticism, little exists. If it is a shirt, golly gee, are we actually telling other people what and what not to wear and that compares to past totalitarian states?

There was a lot of unrest in the Netherlands when Theo Van Gogh was slain, slain for making a movie that was made with Ayaan Hirsi Ali about women in society.

It’s frightening that people exercising their right to free speech are held up to ridicule.

Would one have stood with the protesters outside of the camps in the 1940s? What does one say?

 

[Path_Finder]

How about all of the artworks critical or irreverent of Christianity? Do these comparisons exist with these artists as well??

 

[agnes_therese]

Sorry. Maybe we should sit back and watch Salafist texts work their way into Islamic learning Centers and Mosques, and just let the Islamists continue creating terrorists who shoot cartoonists. The Catholic answer is to do nothing.

No, the Catholic answer is to act like a Christian. It’s sad to see how many don’t seem to understand that. Or care.

 

[TEPO]

No, the Catholic answer is to act like a Christian. It’s sad to see how many don’t seem to understand that. Or care.

…Which means what exactly aside from nothing?
…see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil…?

 

[HolyCrusader007]

Placing all Muslims or all forms of Islam on an equal playing field

I have not done this. I dont think all humans are equal people.

ignores the fact that millions of Muslims are okay with death sentences for homosexuals, adterers, converts and blasphemers while other Muslims are opposed to it. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a name for the evil, more ideological forms of Islam rather than lumping them all together thus spoiling the whole bunch? You do understand that it is not only ISIS who does this, but Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt, Syria and others… Its widespread.

I do not notice Muslims themselves using the term Islamist , and this is something I try and keep in mind. Not all Muslim majority countries use a form of Islamic or Sharia law. And in the Muslim majority countries which use a partial form of Sharia, the sharia or Islamic law is applied in a different manner. I can not see the big deal with a country having a form of religious law.

I’m bringing these things up to your attention to inform you that it’s not just Iran but its an entire movement within both Sunni and Shia… Its something that is rooted deeply within many sects of Islam -which is why we cannot just say it’s ISIS or Iran, because it’s much more than that. It’s in many countries now, including the U.S.

…most Mosques in the U.S. now have their teaching materials sent from Saudi Arabia. They actually are poisoning all of Islam from within. It’s a real problem.

You said there are only Muslims and not Islamists. By saying that, you include all unholy practices under one name which is Islam. By doing that, you do an injustice to the moderate Muslims by including the evils of Salafist Wahabi teachings.

I did not say that there are only Muslims and not Islamists. I said one could for example be a Christian or a Muslim, as opposed to a Christianist or an Islamist . I also do not believe one can be a moderate Christian or a moderate Muslim. I would not apply the terms moderate or radical to Muslims or other types of religious people.

If there is a Catholic out their who is stealing from other people, then I would say this Catholic is going against the values that the Church/Bible teaches. If their is a person out their who calls himself or herself a wahabbist or a Salafist, and this person is treating others with disrespect, then I would say this would go against Islam and what the Quran teaches.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

One of the tenets of Islam is that if Islam is under attack, all Muslims must come to it’s defense.

So, the protestors are merely showing Muslims around the world that in the USA, Islam is under attack.

Whether this perception is correct or not, it serves to recruit more Islamic terrorists as they will answer the call to defend Islam.

Keep this in mind when you see the proverbial spitting in the face of Islam by protesters in the OP story.

It will only serve to increase violence, not reduce it.

Jim

 

[HolyCrusader007]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

I see no difference between choosing a side in this debate and the choices Germans made in the 1930s. I’d like to think that I would have stood with the Jews in that country at that time.

What would you do?

If I was at Arizona for the Anti Muslim protest, I would have stood with the Muslims.

I agree with your 2nd statement. But I feel that unlike in the 1930s, that today, far to many Americans/Euros are on the side of peace and would not side with the Anti Muslims. I’m an American citizen, and my family has been in this country for at least 100 years. If I was around during the start of WW2 I would have sided with the allies, as many people(including Muslims/Arabs) around the world did

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_rescue_efforts_during_the_Holocaust

Thousands of Arabs were KIA while serving with the French army during WW2. And thats only #s from the French Army.
*
The majority of the French army in North Africa in 1939 and 1940 were Arabs. In the French defeat of June 1940, about 5,400 Arab soldiers were killed fighting on the Allied side, and an estimated 60,000 Algerians, 18,000 Moroccans, 12,000 Tunisians and 90,000 other Muslims were captured by the Germans.*

thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/second-world-war-record-of-muslims-is-worth-marking

 

[J_Peterson]

…Which means what exactly aside from nothing?
…see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil…?

What did Christ do while He was being crucified? Would you call that nothing?

 

[Path_Finder]

One of the tenets of Islam is that if Islam is under attack, all Muslims must come to it’s defense.

So, the protestors are merely showing Muslims around the world that in the USA, Islam is under attack.

Whether this perception is correct or not, it serves to recruit more Islamic terrorists as they will answer the call to defend Islam.

Keep this in mind when you see the proverbial spitting in the face of Islam by protesters in the OP story.

It will only serve to increase violence, not reduce it.

Jim

This is only giving in to intimidation. Imagine if there were radical Christians who issued death threats at making a movie, drawing a cartoon, writing a book, er, where do we stop.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Why would you side with the Jews? Wouldn’t it make more sense to do nothing?

…Oh wait. You were referring to AZ. That’s right. You would have done nothing about the Nazis. But many Catholics didn’t.

TEPO, you are a troll who is beneath contempt.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

This is only giving in to intimidation. Imagine if there were radical Christians who issued death threats at making a movie, drawing a cartoon, writing a book, er, where do we stop.

It isn’t giving into intimidation.

The protests feed radical Islam and it’s nothing they like better than to see Americans react negatively toward Islam.

It helps feed credibility in their rhetoric.

Jim

 

[Beautiful]

I agree. I was pondering on my dog this morning, and discovered that his nose is the primary sensory unit that controls his brain. Unlike humans, who balance an array of senses more equally. Just a slightly off topic observation that I can’t help from sharing.

…But it’s why dogs cant talk. . Just imagine your entire motivation in doing things as being based on smell. He’s preoccupied with it.

That is certainly something to ponder.

U.S.A. has turned into the great land of mimicry. To understand this comment consider these anti-predator adaptions at this link.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-predator_adaptation

If you read the list carefully, you’ll will understand that humans can and do use all these methods some time or another to some degree.

 

[Path_Finder]

It isn’t giving into intimidation.

The protests feed radical Islam and it’s nothing they like better than to see Americans react negatively toward Islam.

It helps feed credibility in their rhetoric.

Jim

I’d never do such things. You are to be commended on your fairness on this issue.

 

[Path_Finder]

I would not participate in the protest strictly speaking but there are a few caveats.

The only way we know this was being held is because the organizer said it was a “draw the Prophet” event and that is why the protest has been subjected to a lot of derisive comments.

If this had only been a “protest extremism”, then it might have been justified but may well not have caught on as a news story as much.

But as to those who find the acts of the protesters repugnant, one should check out the reaction in Netherlands in 2004. That was outright mayhem.