Husband addicted to pornography

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As my husband understood it, his doctor told him that his brain is just naturally wired towards reproduction, so it’s natural for him to seek out some way to relieve the tension. **So he either comes to me **or he goes to the porn.
How do you react when he comes to you for having conjugal sex? Your intellectual reaction, your emotional reaction, your moral reaction, your mental reaction, your psychological reaction, your physical reaction, your physiological reaction, your sexual reaction, your religious reaction, your spiritual reaction? Do you offer your body to him for avoiding the bad effects of his own concupiscence? Do you agree with this catholic concept? Do you try to anticipate to have conjugal sex with him before his marital request?

I KNOW, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND HARD, BUT THE MARITAL ACT CAN BE AN ACT OF LOVE (a sacrifice, meritorious act of you) FROM YOU FOR HIM, IN ORDER TO HELP HIM ABOUT HIS CONCUPISCENCE, STEP BY STEP. TODAY, THIS NOTION SEEMS TO BE FORGOTTEN, BUT SHE IS IN CATHOLICISM. (SEE WITH YOUR PRIEST).

OF COURSE, I DO NOT NEED TO HAVE YOUR ANSWER. SHE IS PERSONAL: FOR YOU, YOUR HUSBAND, YOUR PRIEST AND GOD.

IN DOMINO.
 
How do you react when he comes to you for having conjugal sex? Your intellectual reaction, your emotional reaction, your moral reaction, your mental reaction, your psychological reaction, your physical reaction, your physiological reaction, your sexual reaction, your religious reaction, your spiritual reaction? Do you offer your body to him for avoiding the bad effects of his own concupiscence? Do you agree with this catholic concept? Do you try to anticipate to have conjugal sex with him before his marital request?
When he comes to me for sex and I am physically able, I react well. Because I’m still doing some healing from childbirth, I am not physically able to have intercourse as much as I used to. And we have both agreed that my body needs rest before supporting another pregnancy, so there are times we have to abstain because of fertility. During these times, he does not come to me for sex–he comes to me for *other *sexual acts to replace sex. That is something that I am unwilling to do, and this is where the fighting begins. During these times he still agrees that a pregnancy would be unwise, but doesn’t understand why my morals should trump his “needs.”

And of course, it does not help at all that when he asked the priest about it, the priest told him that whatever the two of us do together is all fine and good. Catholic teaching does have rules for marital chastity. I could have dealt with all the other secular influences giving my husband poor advice, if only that priest had given advice that is consistent with Catholic teaching.
 
upporting another pregnancy, so there are times we have to abstain because of fertility. During these times, he does not come to me for sex–he comes to me for *other *sexual acts to replace sex. That is something that I am unwilling to do, and this is where the fighting begins. During these times he still agrees that a pregnancy would be unwise, but doesn’t understand why my morals should trump his “needs.”
He needs to be hit between the eyes with this… If he’s demanding that you do things that seriously compromise your morals, then he’s not loving you. He’s using you.

He needs to be flat out told: “You’re using me for a chemical release.”

Period. That’s what he’s doing. He craves the dopamine release and will go to fairly extreme lengths to get it.
And of course, it does not help at all that when he asked the priest about it, the priest told him that whatever the two of us do together is all fine and good. Catholic teaching does have rules for marital chastity. I could have dealt with all the other secular influences giving my husband poor advice, if only that priest had given advice that is consistent with Catholic teaching.
You were told what the priest said by him, correct? Perhaps the advice was more along the lines of being told that you two can do whatever your comfortable with in the context of foreplay. Many people ask this question; CAF has been littered with them. So there’s a fair chance that the answer is being filtered back to you.

Even if the advice was indeed bad, my point still remains. I understand all about getting antsy. I understand all about somewhat lengthy times for abstinence. I also understand compulsion. I don’t know if your husband is at the point of compulsion related to addiction or if his ADHD is making self-control more difficult.

My point remains the same. He needs to understand that he is using you, not loving you. I imagine that prolonged abstinence is no peach for you either. That’s something that was news to me after I got married. Didn’t realize that many women have high sex drives too and it’s not exactly fun to restrain yourself during the fertile period. That’s why NFP is all about purposeful sacrifice. Not self-denial, not self-injury. But sacrifice for a reason that both spouses decide is sufficient to go without relations.

I make no judgment about whether your husband loves you or whether he’s a good man. I still loved my wife deeply even in the depth of my addiction. I would have died for her. I could not, however, stop myself. I needed forces outside of myself to stop me. And they have.

I am, however, making a discernment about what his actions are. And his actions are not loving. His actions are selfish and he’s treating you as a utility. He may not even realize this either. He may see it as “Hey, I’m a guy, I need sex and what the heck man? We’re married. Why not?” I’m all for frequent relations. I really am. And I know it’s an annoyance to go without. I also not that it’s not impossible to go without sex for awhile. If our brains were truly wired that way, there would be no ascetics and no quality priests.
 
He needs to be hit between the eyes with this… If he’s demanding that you do things that seriously compromise your morals, then he’s not loving you. He’s using you.

He needs to be flat out told: “You’re using me for a chemical release.”

Period. That’s what he’s doing. He craves the dopamine release and will go to fairly extreme lengths to get it.
Yes, I know this. I understand this is what he’s doing. I told him so during the last argument we had over the issue, and that is what led to him leaving. He got angry with me, told me that I was uncompromising and that I shouldn’t hold to these “dumb morals that some Catholic book talks about” because those morals aren’t realistic. He even said that the worst thing I’d ever done during our marriage was to learn the church’s stance on marital chastity.

I know he’s feeling hurt over it. In my past I didn’t have the same morals that I do now. On some things, I honestly didn’t know they were against church teaching. On others, I was just being young and dumb and doing things I knew were immoral. Once I learned the truth, I started on a better path. I understand how he would feel like, “what happened?” over that. This was nearly 10 years ago. He still always asks me why I can’t be the same way I was when I was 19 and we were considering marriage. People grow and change and it wouldn’t be healthy for me to be the same person now that I was 10 years ago.

This isn’t something that happened overnight. I didn’t just wake up one morning and say, “hey guess what, we can’t do _____ anymore, so deal with it.” It was a long process. We did a lot of talking about the church’s teaching. In the beginning we both agreed that we needed to cut some immoral things out of our lives and get on a path towards God. Then he decided that all this marital chastity stuff was just a bunch of bull. It wasn’t easy for him, so he decided that a bunch of celibate priests couldn’t possibly understand the challenges of a married man. And he’s held on to that stance for years now. He’s dug his heels in about it and he hasn’t been willing to let go of it yet.
My point remains the same. He needs to understand that he is using you, not loving you. I imagine that prolonged abstinence is no peach for you either. That’s something that was news to me after I got married. Didn’t realize that many women have high sex drives too and it’s not exactly fun to restrain yourself during the fertile period. That’s why NFP is all about purposeful sacrifice. Not self-denial, not self-injury. But sacrifice for a reason that both spouses decide is sufficient to go without relations.
For many women, sexual drive is highest during the most fertile time of her cycle. I get it, biologically. In terms of avoiding pregnancy it’s not fun.
I make no judgment about whether your husband loves you or whether he’s a good man. I still loved my wife deeply even in the depth of my addiction. I would have died for her. I could not, however, stop myself. I needed forces outside of myself to stop me. And they have.
I am, however, making a discernment about what his actions are. And his actions are not loving. His actions are selfish and he’s treating you as a utility. He may not even realize this either. He may see it as “Hey, I’m a guy, I need sex and what the heck man? We’re married. Why not?” I’m all for frequent relations. I really am. And I know it’s an annoyance to go without. I also not that it’s not impossible to go without sex for awhile. If our brains were truly wired that way, there would be no ascetics and no quality priests.
I know he loves me, I’ve never doubted that. I think he’s still in denial that some of his sexual urges are not made out of love. As he says it, he got married because he didn’t want to be celibate for the rest of his life. (That’s not the only reason, just one of them.) But he’s having trouble accepting that just because he’s married and he can have sex, it’s not an “anything goes as long as it’s with your spouse” kind of deal. We still need to be chaste.
 
I know he’s feeling hurt over it. In my past I didn’t have the same morals that I do now. On some things, I honestly didn’t know they were against church teaching. On others, I was just being young and dumb and doing things I knew were immoral. Once I learned the truth, I started on a better path. I understand how he would feel like, “what happened?” over that. This was nearly 10 years ago. He still always asks me why I can’t be the same way I was when I was 19 and we were considering marriage. People grow and change and it wouldn’t be healthy for me to be the same person now that I was 10 years ago.

This isn’t something that happened overnight. I didn’t just wake up one morning and say, “hey guess what, we can’t do _____ anymore, so deal with it.” It was a long process. We did a lot of talking about the church’s teaching. In the beginning we both agreed that we needed to cut some immoral things out of our lives and get on a path towards God. Then he decided that all this marital chastity stuff was just a bunch of bull. It wasn’t easy for him, so he decided that a bunch of celibate priests couldn’t possibly understand the challenges of a married man. And he’s held on to that stance for years now. He’s dug his heels in about it and he hasn’t been willing to let go of it yet.
It is great that you came to know and believe the teaching of the Church. I can see how it makes it difficult for your husband who hasn’t caught up to you in that regard. Perhaps something you could discuss with him is that the Catholic teachings are not just about what you can’t do, but also about the rights and obligations that you exchange. His body is no longer his own but is now yours and yours his. Neither of you can deny the other their authentic marital rights without grave reason (such as your current recovery from child birth). You are not denying him his marital rights because A. he is not requesting moral authentic relations and B. you are not currently able to participate in moral and authentic relations. The potential fruit of this free giving of each other is a new life that is made up of both of you. One of the reasons the right to each others bodies is given in marriage is to avoid the very temptation to immorality he is struggling with. When viewed in total the Catholic moral teachings are very beautiful and logical.
 
It wasn’t easy for him, so he decided that a bunch of celibate priests couldn’t possibly understand the challenges of a married man. And he’s held on to that stance for years now. He’s dug his heels in about it and he hasn’t been willing to let go of it yet.
This is precisely on the money. And letting go is so important in ripping the root of this addiction out of the ground.
For many women, sexual drive is highest during the most fertile time of her cycle. I get it, biologically. In terms of avoiding pregnancy it’s not fun.
Yeah, I know it’s no fun. But honestly, this knowledge sometimes made it easier. Knowing that my wife was sacrificing right alongside me removed that feeling of being a victim. And that victimization, whether real or imagined, is a major trigger for sex/porn addicts. I had a big measure of consolation knowing that yes, she still wanted me, but we agreed that we can’t right now.
I know he loves me, I’ve never doubted that. I think he’s still in denial that some of his sexual urges are not made out of love. As he says it, he got married because he didn’t want to be celibate for the rest of his life. (That’s not the only reason, just one of them.) But he’s having trouble accepting that just because he’s married and he can have sex, it’s not an “anything goes as long as it’s with your spouse” kind of deal. We still need to be chaste.
It’s a delicate balance, isn’t it? Our sexual urges are natural and God-given but it’s up to us to ensure that we’re using them for good. Perhaps noting that our urges to eat are natural and God-given too, but we can’t abuse them either could put this in some perspective.

I’m glad you don’t doubt his love, because my wife certainly did. And probably still does. She doesn’t really understand addiction, though I guess after seeing how it destroyed my family from the inside out she knows that it’s extraordinarily powerful if allowed to run free. I see it all the time of course because some of the stories in S-meetings are true horror shows. For both the addicts and the people they hurt. It’s hard to get out of your chair sometimes and other times it takes a lot of strength to stay in the room when hearing these things.

Our culture is of little help because self-discipline is no virtue, except when it comes to making money or being a good athlete. Self-discipline to just be a good person is in no way encouraged. But this has been the case in many other times in history and there have been people that persevered in God’s ways during those times as well.
 
Just want to chime in with the view that this is not something one can gradually get rid of. So many fall into the trap of going a few weeks without it, and then thinking they’ve been so good they can’t possibly be expected to go any longer / they’ve been good and deserve a respite from their vigilance, etc. This DOES NOT WORK, and will result in things being even worse. When we solve this problem, it is because we make a conscious decision to never do it again for the rest of our lives. Period.

It is also utter BS to say that either he must engage in sex anytime he possibly gets the urge or be completely celibate. When I converted and ended my engagement with sexual immorality, my wife’s and my relationship improved a hundred-fold. It makes me sick now to think of how much I was harming our relationship before.

Lots of people engage in these acts as much or more than your husband and then give them up forever. It is not an impossible task. Will pray for you two.
 
Praying for you now and for your husband. I’m I. A similar situation.’
 
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