I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me

[mikekle]

Well, you have no choice in the matter because a canine sniffing around your car is not considered a search, at least not in most states. Again, if you don’t like the law, take it up with your legislature.

It wouldnt make a difference, the legislature would just say police need this ‘tool’ in order to do their jobs effectively and find drugs.

However, I do not think its right for them to be able to use a dog around the outside of car, that dog is an ‘employee’ of the police dept, as people that have injured drug dogs, have been charged with assault on an officer, even though its a dog, and that dog IS SEARCHING, by means of sniffing around the car for drugs.

IMO, in a traffic stop, if the owner, driver of the car tells police NO to ANY searches, thats it, nothing more they can do, and they must then leave…they would say this is a set back in their efforts to find drugs, but thats not an issue IMO, the so called war on drugs has been lost miserably for many years, Id think by now, most police would recognize and accept this fact, instead of trying everything they can to find them and arrest people, MUCH more important things for them to focus on in my opinion anyway.

 

[vz71]

1. Turn off the car
2. If it’s night, turn on the inside lights
3. Sit patiently with your hands on the wheel until the officer is at the window.
4. Get the requested documents when directed to by the officer. It is much less stressful for the officer if they can see your hands at all times. If you’ve got to open the glove compartment (I keep registration/insurance card clipped to the visor)- let the officer know. Move slowly and deliberately.
5. Stay polite, do not argue.Yes, sir and no sir connotate cooperation and respect.
6. Do not testify against yourself. You don’t know why you were pulled over, you don’t know how fast you were going. You weren’t looking at the speedometer. This also means you can’t argue when he tells you what he thinks you did. Yes, sir. I understand that’s the way you saw things happen. If he says you did something, don’t agree. Simply await his decision on whether to write you up.
7. Always keep in mind they are just doing their job and this is nothing personal until you make it so.

Something small I have added that seems to make a difference for the officer…
You have some latitude as to where exactly you pull over.
Try to pull someplace that does not make it a trial for the officer.
If you have a parking lot available, pull into it. If not, pull over far.

The one and only warning I received was on a rainy night.
The officer seemed to appreciate that I managed to pull over under lights and an awning. No traffic to worry with, plenty of light to see and no rain.

Apparently the officer had been following me for a great distance.
When he got to the window, he gave me a rundown of one offense after the next after the next. When he paused a moment to catch his breath I simply deadpanned “I had no idea I was such a horrible driver.”

 

[JordanJD]

Stop it. His post didn’t even so much as imply anything about race. Seriously, what is it with people and wanting racism to still be this overreaching thing in this country? Funny thing is, for you to assume the word “thug” can only refer to blacks is itself racist.

When was the last time anyone used “thug” when referring to a white guy?

Oh what’s that? Is that crickets I hear?

 

[redbaron162]

When was the last time anyone used “thug” when referring to a white guy?

Oh what’s that? Is that crickets I hear?

Ummm all the time…I am a bit insulted that you would insinuate that what color you are born with is indicative of your behavior.

People can act however they want, it is not determined by the color o their skin.

 

[maryjk]

When was the last time anyone used “thug” when referring to a white guy?

Oh what’s that? Is that crickets I hear?

Couple of days ago.

Not sure why you are hearing crickets.

 

[pnewton]

The real purpose of the dog after someone has refused consent is to try to get probable cause.
If the dog indicates toward the car, they now have a reasonable suspicion and can search without consent.

So we should document the length of time this wait for the dog takes.

The only time I have known dogs to be here is when there is a specific interdiction being worked along an established drug conduit out of Mexico. Then, there is a drug dog close at hand to prevent a delay. An excessive delay or inappropriate stop could lead to evidence being denied or a conviction overturned, but that would be after the arrest and trial. Not fun.

I found the court decision above interesting, where the Supreme Court upheld that one has “no privacy in the interest of contraband.” With all the legal advice being dished out, I am surprised no one has agreed that the best course of action is just to cooperate with the police. I have never believed confrontation to have ever served much good. The advice of the ACLU may serve criminals well, but I have never cared for it.

 

[pnewton]

When was the last time anyone used “thug” when referring to a white guy?

Oh what’s that? Is that crickets I hear?

“Thug” is not a term I use, but the terms I do apply across the board to black, white and Hispanic, when appropriate. I have not ever found race to be an issue in my day to day life. It is just something I read about in the news and in history.

 

[JordanJD]

Can someone find me a news piece where white people are referred to as “thugs”? I can’t find even one

 

[GaryTaylor]

With all the legal advice being dished out, I am surprised no one has agreed that the best course of action is just to cooperate with the police.

I think the idea is as everyones been saying, you should conduct yourself respectfully.

Its been advised, there is a proper way to conduct yourself with the police. There’s a proper way for police to conduct themselves also.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Can someone find me a news piece where white people are referred to as “thugs”? I can’t find even one

Unless a specific community culture or individual has a patent on the word-image, then its community applicable to white, red, yellow, black and everyone else. The word thug is older than America.

The Thugs travelled in groups across India for six hundred years.[1] Although the Thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThuggee&ei=K2X8U8aPJ6Xw8AHr8IGYCg&usg=AFQjCNFq-1aLT0xFXfILgacRsVsoychlPg

 

[JordanJD]

Unless a specific community culture or individual has a patent on the word-image, then its community applicable to white, red, yellow, black and everyone else. The word thug is older than America.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThuggee&ei=K2X8U8aPJ6Xw8AHr8IGYCg&usg=AFQjCNFq-1aLT0xFXfILgacRsVsoychlPg

You still did not answer my question. And yet while I see guys Bill O’Reilly calling black people “animals” and “thugs” I have never seen him once say that to any white people doing looting and rampaging after a sports game, which, by the way, most those sports riots have caused way more property damage than everything that has happened in Ferguson so far

 

[GaryTaylor]

You still did not answer my question. And yet while I see guys Bill O’Reilly calling black people “animals” and “thugs” I have never seen him once say that to any white people doing looting and rampaging after a sports game, which, by the way, most those sports riots have caused way more property damage than everything that has happened in Ferguson so far

I did answer the question, a news piece where white people are referred to as thugs is really non secuitur in my mind. A thug is a thug regardless of color, in that the newspapers may want to associate Black=Thug, I 'reject" the insulting insinuation. I contend for example white police can be “thugs” too. But the opposition contends we should be “polite” and treat them a “specific way with responsibility”. And I contend we ought to treat every mothers son fair, don’t you?

 

[freeRadical]

It wouldnt make a difference, the legislature would just say police need this ‘tool’ in order to do their jobs effectively and find drugs.

Again, sounds like something you need to take up with your legislature, not the police who are using a tool the legislature has given them.

However, I do not think its right for them to be able to use a dog around the outside of car, that dog is an ‘employee’ of the police dept, as people that have injured drug dogs, have been charged with assault on an officer, even though its a dog, and that dog IS SEARCHING, by means of sniffing around the car for drugs.

Whether you think it is right or not is irrelevant. It is legal for them to do it by law. Again, a canine sniffing your car is not considered a search in most states. Take it up with your legislature.

IMO, in a traffic stop, if the owner, driver of the car tells police NO to ANY searches, thats it, nothing more they can do, and they must then leave…they would say this is a set back in their efforts to find drugs, but thats not an issue IMO, the so called war on drugs has been lost miserably for many years, Id think by now, most police would recognize and accept this fact, instead of trying everything they can to find them and arrest people, MUCH more important things for them to focus on in my opinion anyway.

Again, just because you do not consent to a search doesn’t mean there is nothing more they can do. They are given tools by the legislature and they use them.

I’m sure there are many cases where cops utilizing probable cause have saved lives.

But you think that if I say no to a search that cops should have to leave, no matter what. It is not a black and white issue.

 

[Path_Finder]

Who wears “Thug” on their caps, who wears baggy pants, who glorifies profane abusive language in Rap songs, Tattoos and on and on. Oh Brother.

 

[freeRadical]

The real purpose of the dog after someone has refused consent is to try to get probable cause.
If the dog indicates toward the car, they now have a reasonable suspicion and can search without consent.

So we should document the length of time this wait for the dog takes.

If they have probable cause, they do not need consent.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Who wears “Thug” on their caps, who wears baggy pants, who glorifies profane abusive language in Rap songs, Tattoos and on and on. Oh Brother.

All this is the fine work of our luxurious Dept of Correction, again not “exclusive” to the black population. The dept of correction is a major issue here. Thats school for criminals. But your right we ought to take a good look at the DOC.

 

[John_Lazarus]

Can someone find me a news piece where white people are referred to as “thugs”? I can’t find even one

I did a quick check in the news on Google.

I found a couple of references to the Michael Brown case; references to two rappers (“Young Thug” and “Slim Thug”); and a whole whack of headlines from UK, Ireland and Australia, most of which referred to white guys.

Outside of that, I don’t see it used except maybe in reference to “thug life”, maybe influenced by rap/hiphop (Tupac Shakur and some other rappers seem to come up when I search that phrase).

I don’t know if it’s a Commonwealth/Irish thing, I always saw the word “thug” to mean any criminal who commits violence against another person, without any racial connotation. But I’m not American, so maybe usage (and exposure to the word) is different south of the border. But again, outside of this case, the use of the word seems to be restricted to mostly UK newspapers.

 

[styrgwillidar]

I did a quick check in the news on Google.

I found a couple of references to the Michael Brown case; references to two rappers (“Young Thug” and “Slim Thug”); and a whole whack of headlines from UK, Ireland and Australia, most of which referred to white guys.

Outside of that, I don’t see it used except maybe in reference to “thug life”, maybe influenced by rap/hiphop (Tupac Shakur and some other rappers seem to come up when I search that phrase).

I don’t know if it’s a Commonwealth/Irish thing, I always saw the word “thug” to mean any criminal who commits violence against another person, without any racial connotation. But I’m not American, so maybe usage (and exposure to the word) is different south of the border. But again, outside of this case, the use of the word seems to be restricted to mostly UK newspapers.

In america it’s always been used to refer to a lower-level street criminal, context of robber or bully regardless of color.

As others have said, in the recent past it’s been adopted into the rap/hip-hop/gangsta culture. Similar to the way Hooligan has become associated with rowdy soccer fans in the UK or with both sport bike and drit bike motorcycle culture in the US.

 

[Path_Finder]

In america it’s always been used to refer to a lower-level street criminal, context of robber or bully regardless of color.

This is an accurate definition I’d say. Interestingly, there is a description that goes along with thug sometimes, a sort of word-association. What is the description??

“Small Time”. A Small Time Thug. I even see it referred to per a net search.

Use in the language: “He’s a small time thug.”

 

[Buckeyeboy]

It depends, cars have a special set of rules because they are mobile and it would be easy to destroy any evidence within.

You do know though some limited searches can be made absent PC? The same Automobile exception applies.