I am baffled, please explain

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I simply compare the disappointment of the rapist-to-be who is left hanging with the unfulfilled desire to rape that victim to the horrible experience of the victim being violated against her will.
I agree that rape is a horrible sin – but what does ‘disappointment’ have to do with the question of whether ‘will’ is about ‘action’ or about, well, ‘will’? What do ‘horrible experiences’ have to do with it?

On the face of it, it seems that you’re conflating two notions and putting them at the feet of ‘free will’: first, the question of whether a person engages his conscience to temper the desires of a ‘darkened will’ (as Catholic theology would put it – since our ‘will’ bore the consequences of ‘original sin’), and second, whether there is ‘virtue’ or ‘vice’ in a person’s subsequent actions (that is, whether they act virtuously or they sin). Either way, sin is a horrible thing, and it hurts both the sinner and the person whom they sin against. Yet, why should that make the notion of free will a ‘twisted’ thing?
Admittedly the rapist will feel some disappointment when his desire is “thwarted”, but I think that his disappointment is negligible compared to the horror of that is experienced by the victim of the raped one.
I totally agree. Yet… that has nothing to do with free will!
It is based upon my basic worldview (which you may or may not share) that violence is only acceptable as a final resort against some other violence. To use a very explicit language: “to HELL with the freedom of the attacker”.
Agreed. Yet, ‘freedom to act’ is not synonymous with ‘free will’.
 
Except that I am not arguing that God may not “know everything.” I am suggesting that some things may not be worth knowing and, therefore, why would anyone, let alone God, want or need to know them?
Why would God want to know something? Like He’d have a desire to look it up somewhere? And why would He need to know something? If you asked Him something inconsequential and He gave you the answer (He’d know because, hey, He’s omniscient), is your reply: ‘Well, what the hell have You been doing studying the total population of rodents in Poughkeepsie? There’s no reason for you to know that! That’s not omniscience. That’s just showing off!’

Can I sum up your (current) position? It is that God is omniscience which means that He knows everything that is worth knowing.

Presumably, everything that is not worth knowing, He’s a little unsure about. Like, I dunno, avian death rates or the number of hairs on your head…

Peter: ‘Hey, look God. A dead sparrow’.
God: ‘Is there? Where?’

Not really sure where you’re trying to go with this. Except I know which direction it’s taking you. Step by backward step.
 
Why not, Brad? 😉 You may be telepathic! was made redundant many years ago and tried my hand at writing, not cookies but articles about corruption, disasters and other types of evil. Some were published but not paid well enough to support a family.
Maybe try to lighten it up a little. Disaster and evil? Hmmm.

All you need is a good intro, a humerous slant on something to which everyone can relate (but no jokes), an anecdote or two, some self deprecation and a good out.

If you’re lucky, you may make enough to keep you in beer for a week or two.
 
All humor to one side, Tony does have a point. A life with no challenges would be boring. But, how many have to suffer and go to hell just so we can escape boredom? If this is the price of admission: “I most respectfully return him the ticket…”
The point is not that some have to suffer so that others find life interesting and enjoy reading all the gruesome details of the latest disasters and atrocities. 🙂 The laws of nature don’t take individual circumstances into account. To expect everything to be perfectly adapted for everyone’s benefit is unrealistic. The “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” are inevitable within the framework of order and purpose in any physical universe. No living organism is immune to disease and death. Ivan returned the ticket but he wasn’t convinced he was right and suffered accordingly. Sadly his negativity proved to be his undoing but he wasn’t unreasonably dogmatic like some atheists…
 
Maybe try to lighten it up a little. Disaster and evil? Hmmm.

All you need is a good intro, a humerous slant on something to which everyone can relate (but no jokes), an anecdote or two, some self deprecation and a good out.

If you’re lucky, you may make enough to keep you in beer for a week or two.
Fortunately now I’m self-employed, don’t have to write for a living and I don’t drink beer so that’s one expense less! This forum is a great source of entertainment, costs nothing and makes me think more than I otherwise would. I hope Pallas isn’t quite so baffled. What more could I ask? 🙂
 
Why would God want to know something?
Well THAT would be an important question, now, wouldn’t it?

Your answer is that we (or more exactly, YOU) have some say in what God ought to know and why. I am claiming that is an indefensible position unless you can demonstrate why slugs should be considered dependable determiners of what humans ought to be concerned with and why.
Like He’d have a desire to look it up somewhere? And why would He need to know something? If you asked Him something inconsequential and He gave you the answer (He’d know because, hey, He’s omniscient), is your reply: ‘Well, what the hell have You been doing studying the total population of rodents in Poughkeepsie? There’s no reason for you to know that! That’s not omniscience. That’s just showing off!’
No idea what you are getting at here - as if “having to look something up” might be an implication of what I wrote. Again, Bradski, you are missing the point - the objects of God’s knowledge are not separable from his knowledge of them. His knowing them is precisely what it is that makes them consequential or anything at all. Anything not “known” by God would be non-existent.
Can I sum up your (current) position? It is that God is omniscience which means that He knows everything that is worth knowing.
Well, almost correct. God’s omniscience means that He knows everything that is worth knowing as determined by omniscience, not fleshy beings with a penchant for thinking they are the measure of all things.
Presumably, everything that is not worth knowing, He’s a little unsure about. Like, I dunno, avian death rates or the number of hairs on your head…

Peter: ‘Hey, look God. A dead sparrow’.
God: ‘Is there? Where?’

Not really sure where you’re trying to go with this. Except I know which direction it’s taking you. Step by backward step.
And you presume to know what “is not worth knowing” with certainty, how? Obviously not because YOU are omniscient and would know that because you have complete knowledge of all that is worth or not worth knowing, but by tenuous conjecture based upon your limited knowledge of what could very well be an infinitesimally tiny view of your neighbourhood.
 
The point is not that some have to suffer so that others find life interesting and enjoy reading all the gruesome details of the latest disasters and atrocities. 🙂 The laws of nature don’t take individual circumstances into account. To expect everything to be perfectly adapted for everyone’s benefit is unrealistic. The “slings and arrows of outrageous fortune” are inevitable within the framework of order and purpose in any physical universe. No living organism is immune to disease and death. Ivan returned the ticket but he wasn’t convinced he was right and suffered accordingly. Sadly his negativity proved to be his undoing but he wasn’t unreasonably dogmatic like some atheists…
I should add that Ivan was sincere and suffered because he was tormented by doubt and uncertainty. It seems he wanted to believe but like so many people was particularly perplexed by the suffering of children - as if they could somehow be made immune to the misfortunes that afflict adults and animals… :confused:
 
Yes! God may well have created other universes but each of them would have its advantages and disadvantages. Variety is the spice of every form of life! Life without any form of challenge is worthless.
This is so dry… 🙂 Let’s put some “juice” into it.

I overheard the conversation of two friends on the bus. Jim lives in Pleasantville, and Joe lives in Plaguestown. This is a recap of their exchange:
Joe: Hi, buddy! How are you doing?
Jim: Don’t mention… we are bored to death. We did not have any disaster lately… actually I can’t even recall the last time when we had even a measly little tornado. The Sun is nice and shining, the lake nearby is cool and refreshing. No piranhas, no freshwater sharks at all. We can send the kids to collect mushrooms, and there are no dangerous animals in the forest. And no poisonous mushrooms either. So very boring.
Joe: I feel for you! We are so much luckier. Just last week we had an Earthquake, followed by a mudslide. About a hundred people perished, some were crushed in the collapsed buildings, the others drowned in the mud! Can you imagine the fun we had when we tried to dig the corpses from the mud?
Jim: You lucky buggers. Though I heard a rumor that some huge cloud of locusts is coming our way. Maybe we get lucky this time.

It went on for a while. They were complaining about absence of the black plague, the disappearance of leprosy… but they found a small consolation when they remembered the Ebola outbreak. At the end I heard.

Jim: Could I ask a big favor from you?
Joe: Sure, go ahead, what can I do for you?
Jim: Well, could you organize a raiding party? We shall have community meeting for all the young, teenager girls next weekend.
Joe: Yes?
Jim: So, would your marauders be willing to come and rape them? They are so pretty in their innocence. I could say that they are ripe for rape, hehe.
Joe: Of course I can do that. What else are friends for?
Jim: Thank you. I knew I can count on your friendship. Oh, the variety, the spice of life we shall have. 🙂

Coming back to real life. Here in Charleston, South Carolina just two weeks ago there was a routine traffic stop, and the black guy (who was late on his child support) tried to escape. The cop grabbed his gun and shot him dead. And just a few days ago a white kid (21 years old) went to a black church, took out his new gun and killed nine people. So - according to your standards - we cannot complain about “boredom” - praise the Lord. Actually we could do with MUCH less excitement.
 
Agreed. Yet, ‘freedom to act’ is not synonymous with ‘free will’.
Technically, correct. But what is the use of being able to “will” something if you cannot act on it? If we go for hairsplitting, then let’s bring it to the logical conclusion. If only the ability to “will” something is what counts, then God could simply eliminate all the ability of a would-be-rapist to actually commit that rape.

Don’t forget, one of the offered defenses for the existence of “moral” evil is that robbing the bad people from their “free will” is the ultimate “evil”. Well, if the ability to actually commit the rape is not important, then let’s leave the would-be-rapists alone with their “free will”, and the would-be-victim will be much better off. Don’t you agree?

But we can leave this side-conversation alone for the time being. Let’s go back to the main thread.
 
This is so dry… 🙂 Let’s put some “juice” into it.

I overheard the conversation of two friends on the bus. Jim lives in Pleasantville, and Joe lives in Plaguestown. This is a recap of their exchange:
Joe: Hi, buddy! How are you doing?
Jim: Don’t mention… we are bored to death. We did not have any disaster lately… actually I can’t even recall the last time when we had even a measly little tornado. The Sun is nice and shining, the lake nearby is cool and refreshing. No piranhas, no freshwater sharks at all. We can send the kids to collect mushrooms, and there are no dangerous animals in the forest. And no poisonous mushrooms either. So very boring.
Joe: I feel for you! We are so much luckier. Just last week we had an Earthquake, followed by a mudslide. About a hundred people perished, some were crushed in the collapsed buildings, the others drowned in the mud! Can you imagine the fun we had when we tried to dig the corpses from the mud?
Jim: You lucky buggers. Though I heard a rumor that some huge cloud of locusts is coming our way. Maybe we get lucky this time.

It went on for a while. They were complaining about absence of the black plague, the disappearance of leprosy… but they found a small consolation when they remembered the Ebola outbreak. At the end I heard.

Jim: Could I ask a big favor from you?
Joe: Sure, go ahead, what can I do for you?
Jim: Well, could you organize a raiding party? We shall have community meeting for all the young, teenager girls next weekend.
Joe: Yes?
Jim: So, would your marauders be willing to come and rape them? They are so pretty in their innocence. I could say that they are ripe for rape, hehe.
Joe: Of course I can do that. What else are friends for?
Jim: Thank you. I knew I can count on your friendship. Oh, the variety, the spice of life we shall have. 🙂

Coming back to real life. Here in Charleston, South Carolina just two weeks ago there was a routine traffic stop, and the black guy (who was late on his child support) tried to escape. The cop grabbed his gun and shot him dead. And just a few days ago a white kid (21 years old) went to a black church, took out his new gun and killed nine people. So - according to your standards - we cannot complain about “boredom” - praise the Lord. Actually we could do with MUCH less excitement.
This doesn’t appear to be “juice” that you’ve added, LSD or cocaine more like. Bizarre, really.

Where in religious doctrine do you read God advocating murder and rape?

“Thou shalt not kill!” seems to have gone through a crazy warp. To say nothing of “Thou shalt not commit adultery!”
 
Hello Pallas Athene – I am JohnJFarren who is sharing with you. What I wanted to send to you private message AND also the public posting here in Forum was too long. It won’t be accepted until I cut it down or into two sendings. I’m signing off now and I’ll divide it into two sending. This may take me the weekend because I volunteer at the hospital tomorrow to bring Holy Communion. I’ll be back. // by AOL I can mail the whole thing but I would need an address. // I’ll return couple days.
JohnJFarren (Trinity5635@aol.com)
 
Technically, correct. But what is the use of being able to “will” something if you cannot act on it? If we go for hairsplitting, then let’s bring it to the logical conclusion. If only the ability to “will” something is what counts, then God could simply eliminate all the ability of a would-be-rapist to actually commit that rape.

Don’t forget, one of the offered defenses for the existence of “moral” evil is that robbing the bad people from their “free will” is the ultimate “evil”. Well, if the ability to actually commit the rape is not important, then let’s leave the would-be-rapists alone with their “free will”, and the would-be-victim will be much better off. Don’t you agree?
I side with Socrates on this one. The ultimate evil is when moral agents choose to commit evil and, thereby, abdicate their real freedom of will by essentially severing their ability to be good and free moral agents. Jesus, Augustine, Boethius and many of the Church Fathers would agree with Socrates that free will is compromised by each of our choices to commit evil.

In case you don’t think this is true, what would you suggest that Jesus means by “He who sins is a slave to sin?” Certainly Socrates, by insisting that no evil can be done to one’s self unless the self permits evil to be done, is essentially claiming that evil is something we do or permit to be done to our own beings prior to inflicting the effects of that evil on others.

The damage has been done before we witness the manifestations of evil in observable reality. We mistake the symptoms of the disease for the disease itself.
 
I did not participate in that particular side-conversation. Especially since God is “ultimately” responsible for everything. So your butting in into the conversation with Lily Bernanse was ill-conceived, even though you have every right to poke your… ahem… nose wherever you wish to.
If you wish to pursue a private conversation with someone, there is a feature here that’s called “private messaging”.

Please learn about it–it’s really quite easy. I can offer you some help with it, but I really hope you learn on your own because it’s not that hard.

As such, there is no such thing as “butting into” a conversation on a thread here.

That would be as absurd as telling someone on a Cruciverbalist forum to not talk about crossword puzzles, right? That’s…er…what we do when we join something like that, no?

God being ultimately responsible for everything is not the same thing as saying God is responsible for our free will choices.

God is no more responsible for Adam and Eve’s choice millenia ago than he is for your choice to not learn about private messaging.

BTW: you really ought to know the screen names of the people with whom you wish to have a private dialogue.
So your butting in into the conversation with Lily Bernanse was ill-conceived, even though you have every right to poke your… ahem… nose wherever you wish to.
My apologies if you actually do know how to use the PM system but simply couldn’t find Lily because you didn’t know how to spell her name.

forums.catholic-questions.org/member.php?u=486820

At any rate, you really don’t even need to know how to spell someone’s name correctly (although that is rather nice forum etiquette to observe)–you just need to know how to use the PM system…and then spelling someone’s name correctly is superfluous.
 
First of Three United Postings –
Hello Pallas Athene – I’m back, JohnJFarren. Your posting regarding Original Sin I referred to was posted by you 16 April 2015 and was titled, “I am baffled, please explain.”
When Pope Benedict XVI was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he expressed several times his concern about “Original Sin,” how it was expressed, and how a more mature understanding was necessary for this Church teaching. He recognized the necessity of this essential truth for the life of the Church and the understanding of the Incarnation. I am attaching two lengthy copies of Ratzinger’s words concerning this.
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That the Holy Spirit gift us with a better understanding of Original Sin, it is necessary for us to consider carefully the purpose for which God created us, the goal God has in mind for us. That goal is to share Eternal Life, God’s Own Very Life. It is essential that we understand that. For without that goal there would be no reason for the Incarnation (or the Sufferings and Death and Resurrection of Christ).
Please bear with me. These matters will fit together regarding Original Sin.
Eternal Life belongs properly to God alone. There is no way that any creature, human or angelic, could ever claim or merit or have a right to Eternal Life. It does not belong by nature to created beings. It belongs to God alone. Man cannot “reach up” and take hold of It. Only God – IF God chose to take the initiative and to do such a thing – could “reach down” and see that mankind was made capable of receiving Eternal Life. Our faith tells us that God has indeed reached down and brought about our capability to accept, to receive, Eternal Life.
What can we understand better about the mess, the confusion, the sin, the very poor way, God’s Great Plan began?
Prior to creation, God saw the entirety of His creation, completed and perfected, sharing in Eternal Life. This included all that God would do and all that God would permit, including evil, and all that creatures, especially mankind, would do and not do, good and evil. God wasn’t looking at a sin committed by one (first) man, etc. God was looking at the totality of sin of all mankind from beginning to end, and also knew no creature (sin or no sin) could ever merit Eternal Life, could ever attain to sharing Eternal Life by any effort of its own.
God saw two things were necessary. 1) That all this sin, this violation of God and God’s Justice had to be made right … and 2) somehow mankind had to acquire the capability of receiving sharing in God’s Eternal Life, had to acquire the meriting of the right to share Eternal Life.
God’s Revelation and our faith tells us that God accomplished these two necessary matters (cleaning up the garbage and Divinizing mankind, creation) in the Incarnation of God’s Eternal Son, Jesus Christ.
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I put aside the literal story of the first man and first woman, and the Garden, and the fruit, and the woman blames man blames serpent – and some of us continue to blame God.  This Genesis story was necessary to make possible that ancient people had some understanding of God and why things were so bad.  This story served its purpose long ago.  Its literal expression is no longer a worthy tool and must be understand in a better way, a spiritual way.
In whatever way God did things, wanted things, permitted things, it was always God’s intention that human beings be essentially free, to be real and to become more and more real. In the measure we are free, in that measure do we take part in having been made “in the image and likeness of God.”
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Pallas Athene, this is the sharing I have to offer. Perhaps you will respond. I’ll also post this on CAF Forum, attaching it to the thread you began 16 April 2015.
 
Second of Three United Postings – Here are the attachments I mentioned at the beginning that show us come of the concern of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) relating to Original Sin.

In Lent in 1981 Cardinal Ratzinger gave a series of four homilies in the Lichfrauenkirche in Munich on creation and the fall. These lectures were later published in a book entitled In the Beginning… Here is a quote from the fourth homily –

The account (of Adam’s sin in Genesis) tells us that sin begets sin, and that therefore all the sins of history are interlinked. Theology refers to this state of affairs by the certainly misleading and imprecise term “original sin.” What does this mean? Nothing seems to us today to be stranger or, indeed more absurd than to insist upon original sin, since according to our way of thinking , guilt can only be something very personal, and since God does not run a concentration camp, in which one’s relatives are imprisoned, because he is a liberating God of love, who calls each one by name. What does original sin mean, then, when we interpret it correctly?

Finding an answer to this requires nothing less than trying to understand the human person. It must once again be stressed that no human being is closed in upon himself or herself and that no one can live of or for himself or herself alone. We recieve our life not only at the moment of birth but every day from without–from others who are not ourselves but who nonetheless somehow pertain to us Human beings have their selves not only in themselves but also outside of themselves: they live in those whome the love and in those who love them and to whom they are “present.” Human beings are relational and they possess their lives —themselves— only by way of relationship.
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AND –
See third part, coming
 
**Third of Three United Postings –**From The Ratzinger Report: An Exclusive Interview on the State of the Church, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger with Vitterio Messori, Ignatius Press, 1985.

In response to his interviewer, Vittorio Messori, Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) said, “If Providence will someday free me of my obligations, I should like to devote myself precisely to the theme of ‘original sin’ and to the necessity of a rediscovery of its authentic reality. In fact, if it is no longer understood that man is in a state of alienation (that is not only economic and social, and, consequently, one that is not resolvable by his efforts alone), one no longer understands the necessity of Christ the Redeemer. The whole structure of the faith is threatened by this. The inability to understand ‘original sin’ and to make it understandable is really one of the most difficult problems of present-day theology and pastoral ministry.

“But perhaps it is necessary, I interject, to reflect on the linguistic level also: is the old expression ‘original sin’, which is of patristic origin, still adequate today?

“It is always very dangerous to change religious language. Continuity here is of great important. I hold that the central concepts of the faith, which derive from the great utterances of Scripture, cannot be altered: as, for example, ‘Son of God’, ‘Holy Spirit’, Mary’s ‘virginity’ and ‘divine motherhood’. I grant, however, that expressions such as ‘original sin’, which in their content are also directly biblical in origin but which already manifest in expression the stage of theological reflection, are modifiable. At all events, one must proceed with great care: the words are not unimportant. ; rather they are closely bound to the meaning. I believe, nevertheless, that the theological and pastoral difficulties in the face of ‘original sin’ are currently not only of a semantic but also of a deeper nature.”

Interviewer asks, “What does that mean in particular?” Cardinal Ratzinger continues.
“In an evolutionist hypothesis of the word (which corresponds to a certain ‘Teilhardism’ in theology), there is obviously no place for an ‘original sin’. This, at most, is merely a symbolical, mythical expression to designate the natural deficiencies of a creature like man, who, from most imperfect origins, moves toward perfection, toward his complete realization. Acceptance of this view signifies, however, turning the structure of Christianity on its head: Christ is displaced from the past to the future as the necessary development to the better. Man is but a product who has not yet been fully perfected by time. There has never been a ‘redemption’ because there was no sin on account of which man would need to be healed, but only, I repeat, a natural deficiency. Yet these difficulties of more or less ‘scientific’ origin are not yet the root of the present-day crisis of ‘original sin’. This crisis is only a symptom of our profound difficulty in perceiving the reality of our own selves, of the world, and of God. Discussions with the natural sciences, with for example paleontology, certainly do not suffice, even though this kind of confrontation is necessary. We must be aware that we, too, are in the presence of prior understandings and prior decisions of a philosophic character.”

“This Christian truth is, on the one hand, a mystery; but on the other, it is also, in a way, evident. What is evident: a lucid, realistic view of man and of history cannot but stumble upon their alienation and discover that there is a rupture in relationships: in man’s relationship to himself, to others, to God. Now since man is preeminently a being-in-relationship, such a rupture reaches to the very roots and affects all else. The mystery: if we are able to penetrate to the depths the reality and the consequences of original sin, it is precisely because it exists, because the derangement is ontological, because it unbalances, confuses in us the logic of nature, this preventing us from understanding how a fault at the origin of history can draw in its wake a situation of common sin.”

Interviewer asks, “Adam, Eve, Eden, the apple, the serpent … What should we think of them?”
Cardinal Ratzinger responds, “”The biblical narrative of the origins does not relate events in the sense of modern historiography, but rather, it speaks through images. It is narrative that reveals and hides at the same time. But the underpinning elements are reasonable, and the reality of the dogma must at all events be safeguarded. The Christian would be remiss toward his brethren if he did not proclaim the Christ who first and foremost brings redemption from sin; if he did not proclaim the reality of the alienation (the “Fall”) and, at the same time, the reality of the grace that redeems us, that liberates us; if he did not proclaim that, in order to effect a restoration of our original nature, a help from outside is necessary; if he did not proclaim that the insistence of self-realization, upon self-salvation does not lead to redemption but to destruction; finally, if he did not proclaim that, in order to be saved, it is necessary to abandon oneself to Love.”
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Brothers and Sisters in Christ – That’s what I have to share. I Bless you. Please Bless me.
JohnJFarren (Trinity5635@aol.com)
 
This is so dry… 🙂 Let’s put some “juice” into it.

I overheard the conversation of two friends on the bus. Jim lives in Pleasantville, and Joe lives in Plaguestown. This is a recap of their exchange:Joe: Hi, buddy! How are you doing?
Jim: Don’t mention… we are bored to death. We did not have any disaster lately… actually I can’t even recall the last time when we had even a measly little tornado. The Sun is nice and shining, the lake nearby is cool and refreshing. No piranhas, no freshwater sharks at all. We can send the kids to collect mushrooms, and there are no dangerous animals in the forest. And no poisonous mushrooms either. So very boring.
Joe: I feel for you! We are so much luckier. Just last week we had an Earthquake, followed by a mudslide. About a hundred people perished, some were crushed in the collapsed buildings, the others drowned in the mud! Can you imagine the fun we had when we tried to dig the corpses from the mud?
Jim: You lucky buggers. Though I heard a rumor that some huge cloud of locusts is coming our way. Maybe we get lucky this time.
It went on for a while. They were complaining about absence of the black plague, the disappearance of leprosy… but they found a small consolation when they remembered the Ebola outbreak. At the end I heard.
Jim: Could I ask a big favor from you?
Joe: Sure, go ahead, what can I do for you?
Jim: Well, could you organize a raiding party? We shall have community meeting for all the young, teenager girls next weekend.
Joe: Yes?
Jim: So, would your marauders be willing to come and rape them? They are so pretty in their innocence. I could say that they are ripe for rape, hehe.
Joe: Of course I can do that. What else are friends for?
Jim: Thank you. I knew I can count on your friendship. Oh, the variety, the spice of life we shall have. 🙂
Coming back to real life. Here in Charleston, South Carolina just two weeks ago there was a routine traffic stop, and the black guy (who was late on his child support) tried to escape. The cop grabbed his gun and shot him dead. And just a few days ago a white kid (21 years old) went to a black church, took out his new gun and killed nine people. So - according to your standards - we cannot complain about “boredom” - praise the Lord. Actually we could do with MUCH less excitement.
You were the one who raised the subject of boredom! It’s the last thing I would have thought of in connection with the real challenges of life. I wonder why it occurred to you…:confused:
 
Well, almost correct. God’s omniscience means that He knows everything that is worth knowing as determined by omniscience…
Where on earth are you going with this? Is it relevant? I assume that you think it must be.

If that relevance has been buried in one of your earlier posts, it was too subtle for me. Could you perhaps expound on this knowing/not worth knowing aspect of God’s attributes?
 
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