Oh, we can certainly know whether we’re on the"path to hell". Who has claimed we can’t?
Well, that may be a bit more difficult. From all appearances, someone may look like they are going in that direction, but it’s bit hard to read the heart of another, don’t you think?
And yet you continue to follow the Catholic Church. Youve demonstrated another double standard.
Jesus didnt have any eyewitnesses. The Bible says so, but that is a different story entirely, one which requires faith.
No, Son. I don’t follow the Catholic Church. I follow Christ.
In other words, just because we see signs and wonders and even have the proof, that doesnt automatically make someone God. If you logically follow that one out, the same explanation can be applied to Jesus.
So you dont go to Mass, tithe, follow the Pope, etc.? Does Catholicism now allow for personal relationships with Christ without having to obey the Catholic Church?
Not to mention, you conveniently disregarded the second point of my post. For all the apologists who try endlessly to exonerate God from ordered killings, infanticide, allowance of rape and slavery with their pre-programmed arguments of “Its a mystery”, "Whatever God does is holy, “Our tiny human minds cannot understand how God thinks” etc., why are you so unwilling to apply these same arguments to exonerate Sathiya Sai Baba?
If the story ends with Adam and Eve in paradise, does that mean they didn’t actually “fail”?
Your demand for scientific proof was so wrong, that I wanted to correct you. Don’t read too much into it.
No, philosophy did not “prove” the ontological existence of possible worlds. The possible worlds DO NOT exist as ontological objects, they only exist as mental constructs or concepts. If you wish to use the word “existence”, it would be beneficial, if you specified whether you talk about “ontological existence” or “conceptual existence”.
Yes, of course I go to Mass, tithe, follow the Pope.
Perhaps the answer is that there are wolds which are logically possible (nobody sins of their own free choice) but are not feasible for God to actualize. For your propostion to be true, you’d have to convince me that God could actually create a world where people with free will never actually sin. Yes, God could force them but then they would not be free.
Excellent.
Well, if that’s all you mean, then speaking in hypotheticals is absolutely inutile, unless they actually exist.
Think!In other words, just because we see signs and wonders and even have the proof, that doesnt automatically make someone God. If you logically follow that one out, the same explanation can be applied to Jesus.
ThanksGreat thread! Thanks for the Op Pallas Athene.
I’m loving it.
What about the rest of us? I know that the church does not say that “any specific person” is in hell, but it does say that any specific person who dies in the state of unrepented mortal sin IS in hell. So every one of those humans, who have heard that gratuitous sexual activity is a mortal sin, but do not accept it, will be in hell… Moreover, in the catechism it is clearly stated that “stubborn” disbelief in God IS also a mortal sin. That disposes of all the atheists, who have heard about God, also heard the arguments for God, but discard these arguments as invalid, “stubbornly” disbelieve in God, so they are legitimate fodder for the flames of hell.
Yep. Pretty much.
Everyone who is in heaven failed at some point in their lives, Lion. It’s what they did after that that determined the rest.
PRMerger,
Some view this as a statement that Judas is in hell, as Christ makes this statement in reference to him.
God/Christ has done some pretty harsh things like killing infants, ordering killings of neighboring tribes and non-believers, allowed rape, slavery, incest, etc. Why are you trying to avoid these instances when comparing with Baba?
Yes, with video proof too. Cant get any more solid, can you? Where is Jesus’ video proof?
Yes, there are many “Sauls” that Sathiya Sai Baba has converted.
Exactly, Sathiya has much better evidence.