i am homosexual, yet i am Catholic

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Equinox:
The question is not do I want to have a homosexual orientation or be gay. It is what and who I am, I have been told by society and the Church it is wrong, and yes I have tried to ‘change’ my sexual preference, however that was only due to the pressures of the above I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
Doesn’t your uncomfortability say something to you? Or are you uncomfortable with the fact you wish to act on your desire and the Church teaches it is a sin?

If you had a pre-disposition to steal and others were telling you that it is a sin to steal would you feel the same way?

The journey to the Cross is a difficult one indeed.
 
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Equinox:
I am not comfortable with the way God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
I’m sure Jesus wasn’t comfortable while being nailed to the cross for our sins.
 
Father John Corapi has an interesting viewpoint. " Homosexuals are called to chastity". Not being attracted to a member of the opposite sex is a good sign of this. People are not born Homosexual. God created Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve. Somewhere along the line the lustfull attraction of this Mortal sin, is a direct attack from the enemy on your (possible) call to chastity. The Church defines the Bible, the Bible does not define the Church. Some of the sins and mistakes I had a hard time letting go of cost me my relationship with the scraments, untill I prayed for Christ to show me how HE sees me. Perfect contrition came, I fought with it untill my hunger for the Eucharist overwhelmed my ego and stubborness. I hope you prayerfully explore this viewpoint. I have some Catholic friends that were supportive to me during those hard times, but they were friends, not spiritual directors.

Have you ever read Screwtape Letters - C.S. Lewis ?

Also, just because you think your homosexual, doesn’t mean your not a Child of God and a Great person. I think it is commendable that you’re concerned about your stand point with this situation.

I wish you well.
 
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Equinox:
So you are stating that I should give up 18 years of upbringing, beliefs and values because I am homosexual, then you are basically saying that I am not excepted within the church. I have been told and I believe that the church accepts / loves everyone…
Everyone here has said that you can be a member of the Church but most have pointed out the guidance of the church on the matter of active homosexual lifestyle.

Sad to say, there is still a considerable prejudice against homosexuals in most cultures in the world. Individuals in active homosexual lifestyle can be, although it is wrong, subject to a lot of hate, prejudice, and even violence.

It may be best to learn how to deal with same-sex attractions as the temptation that it is for you. It would be better to totally and absolutely distance yourself from temptations, rather than to flirt with those temptations.

You would probably benefit from some discrete counseling in a Catholic setting to help you with the challenges that this presents to you.

You may be feeling that the pressures on you are enormous, but as difficult as it is, I suggest that you pray and ask the Lord to take the burden of that pressure away from you. Let the Lord handle the pressure. Those pressures may be very strong for moments, but you need to learn to reject the urgency of those pressures. Scripture says that when we are tempted, the Lord gives us a way to deal with it. Look for the Lord in the moments of temptation. Feel good about yourself for doing well at those times. Don’t think of yourself as a victim. Victim-mentality will destroy your determination to live a chaste life.

There’s a great book on Christian spirituality by Fr. Jean Corbon called “Path to Freedom.” I read through it a couple pages at a time, because his style of writiing and thinking is just a bit hard to follow. But, keep on through it. The point is, God has been enormously generous with us, his love is overpowering. You need to defeat the illusion that you are not loved. This book will help to show you that God has not abandoned anybody, no matter what cross in life they have to bear. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow Him. He is the Way, He is the Truth, He is the Life. There is an inspiring hymn whose title is, I have decided to follow Jesus. don’t think about that too long, make that decision as early as you can.

Seek prayerfully that God will also show you a way of serving Him.

Some people with same-sex attractions take their lives, because of their unhappiness. Don’t go there. Make that decision, too, that you will live in dignity.
 
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Equinox:
I was parents taught me the same in a catholic context, however I was born this way and my parents understand, they love me for who I am and have never had the bigoted view that being homosexual is a crime against the church or the state. All I am stating is if I choose to get married and partake in the act of sex does this mean I am not catholic for committing one sin (in my head) against God, when paedophiles and killers may be forgiven in the eyes of the church etc
No, you were born into the Catholic faith and you will always be a Catholic. Remember we are all sinners and we have a free will. It is up to us to follow Christ teachings. If we choose to not follow him but later in life we realize we were wrong than we have a great sacrament called Confession. I hope you never leave the Church and stay a Catholic. This is your choice.
 
Forgive me for my lack of charity (or excess of cynicism) but why do I get the feeling that this Equinox is just a plant and a baiter? Is it the bad grammar that looks so contrived that’s clueing me into this or is it the complete predictability of Equinoxes questions and responses?
 
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DreadVandal:
Forgive me for my lack of charity (or excess of cynicism) but why do I get the feeling that this Equinox is just a plant and a baiter? Is it the bad grammar that looks so contrived that’s clueing me into this or is it the complete predictability of Equinoxes questions and responses?
I thought the same thing when I saw his posts but in the spirit of charity I gave him the benefit of the doubt, just in case.

Except for where it is going to cost me money, I always assume the best of attentions until proved differently.
 
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Marauder:
I thought the same thing when I saw his posts but in the spirit of charity I gave him the benefit of the doubt, just in case.

Except for where it is going to cost me money, I always assume the best of attentions until proved differently.
WoW! I guess I am just very naive to this stuff. He seemed genuine and young only 18yrs. old.
 
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Equinox:
I was parents taught me the same in a catholic context, however I was born this way and my parents understand, they love me for who I am and have never had the bigoted view that being homosexual is a crime against the church or the state. All I am stating is if I choose to get married and partake in the act of sex does this mean I am not catholic for committing one sin (in my head) against God, when paedophiles and killers may be forgiven in the eyes of the church etc
When anyone dies with an unrepented mortal sin on their soul, we all know where they go. It is up the individual to confess and repent their sin, feel shame and do penance, whatever the sin may be. Homosexuality may be forgiven if repented, as will pedophilia, murder, etc. There is no sin bigger than God’s mercy (Fr. Corapi). The key is you need to strive to feel sorrow for sin- something nobody wants to do initially, but we can with prayer and God’s guidance overcome anything and become his followers.
 
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DreadVandal:
Forgive me for my lack of charity (or excess of cynicism) but why do I get the feeling that this Equinox is just a plant and a baiter? Is it the bad grammar that looks so contrived that’s clueing me into this or is it the complete predictability of Equinoxes questions and responses?
Regardless, HE still needs to hear this truth. The Holy Spirit does work in mysterious ways towards the conversion of heart and mind for this thread starter and others who read/participate.
 
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Equinox:
I am comfortable who I am, however I am not comfortable with the way people and God will view me if I chose to live a life of homosexual preference and/or behaviour.
That’s a great starting point.
Forget about the way people will view you…people have their own hangups anyway and they’ll treat you well or not for a myriad of reasons you have no control over whatsoever - whether or not you’re gay or straight.

But you most certainly should focus on how God will view you if you choose to live a homosexual lifestyle.

So…start with what you know about God.
You are trying to convince yourself that intention will carry weight at the end…that since God made you the way you are, you had no choice but to live according to how He made you, and therefore you are trusting He will not judge you harshly for engaging in immoral behavior since you loved Him the entire time, went to mass, etc.

God made you just like the rest of us…we all enter into this world with an inclination toward sin…thanks to Adam and Eve…your inclination is different than mine, which is different from somebody else’s…

As Catholics we are called to resist those inclinations toward sin unique to us.

Sin is sin. Anger, greed, murder, adultery, dishonor, disrespect for life, swearing, stealing…all those things are the ways we separate ourselves from God’s love.

Giving into those temptations, those inclinations, moves us further from Him and closer to ourselves…alone.

The Church’s role is to help us get through this life with a clean soul. She offers us Truth. She offers us grace. She offers us absolution. She offers us strength through prayers, devotions and sacramentals. She offers us Jesus Christ Himself.

We have no excuses for not entering into the Kingdom upon our death when we have been offered all that the Church gave but refused - chose - to disregard the message and receive Her gifts. You can claim all you like that the Church pushed you away, rejected you, but you know deep in your heart this is not true. IF you should choose to leave the Catholic Church it will be your choice. It will be because you, personally, would rather embrace your inclination toward sin than accept Christ’s teachings, graces and mercy.

God knows you are challenged while on this earth, that’s why He came to walk among us, to give us the gift of the Church and the sacraments, to open the gates of Heaven through his death and resurrection.

How can you honestly expect Him to be pleased at the end when you approach Him with, “but you made me this way and I was only doing your will”? when you know He does not condone homosexual behavior. I don’t believe He’ll be angry, but I’m certain He’ll be saddened and disappointed. He may very well take mercy on your soul. No one, not even the Church, can say definitively whether or not He will. But personally, just knowing He won’t be happy with my choices, He’ll be saddened by them, is enough for me to do everything I can to make good choices in everything I do. I’m not willing to gamble with my soul’s destination for eternity, why are you?

It doesn’t matter whether or not you understand why He doesn’t approve, nor does it matter whether or not you agree with His position. What matters is that you obey with an open and loving heart.

May God bless you.
May He strengthen you against temptation.
May He guide you into His arms.
I pray you follow.
 
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DreadVandal:
Forgive me for my lack of charity (or excess of cynicism) but why do I get the feeling that this Equinox is just a plant and a baiter? Is it the bad grammar that looks so contrived that’s clueing me into this or is it the complete predictability of Equinoxes questions and responses?
You are a small minded individual to believe that I am a ‘plant and a baiter’ and as for my ‘grammar’ that is none of your concern. If you wish to make a comment or ask me a question, go for it. However, to accuse me of being completely predictable when you don’t know me, that is a major insult to me. I put it to you, that you are the one who is completely predictable.
 
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Equinox:
You are a small minded individual to believe that I am a ‘plant and a baiter’ and as for my ‘grammar’ that is none of your concern. If you wish to make a comment or ask me a question, go for it. However, to accuse me of being completely predictable when you don’t know me, that is a major insult to me. I put it to you, that you are the one who is completely predictable.
Whatever, I’m through talking with you. You are only interested in self justification.
 
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NFPfamily:
When anyone dies with an unrepented mortal sin on their soul, we all know where they go. It is up the individual to confess and repent their sin, feel shame and do penance, whatever the sin may be. Homosexuality may be forgiven if repented, as will pedophilia, murder, etc. There is no sin bigger than God’s mercy (Fr. Corapi). The key is you need to strive to feel sorrow for sin- something nobody wants to do initially, but we can with prayer and God’s guidance overcome anything and become his followers.
Yet again comparing a homosexual to a paedophile or murderer! THEY ARE BOTH ACTS AGAINST THE LAW. I have read your response, and I do understand what you are saying, but please reword it. I will then submit my response, but I will not lower myself to being considered next to the likes of paedophiles or murderers.
 
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Marauder:
I thought the same thing when I saw his posts but in the spirit of charity I gave him the benefit of the doubt, just in case.

Except for where it is going to cost me money, I always assume the best of attentions until proved differently.
You are much more Christian than I. I need to go to confession.
 
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DreadVandal:
Whatever, I’m through talking with you. You are only interested in self justification.
And you said I was predictable (laughs) I do NOT need ‘self justification’ I am more than comfortable with myself, now more than ever. I merely created an issue for debate “I am homosexual, yet I am Catholic”

God Save Your Soul…
 
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LittleRose:
Even if your actions separate you from Him, he will still love you, and grieve for the loss.
Boy, LittleRose, doesn’t that just speak volumes?

It’s probably because we’re in the season of Lent and I’ve been especially tuning in for messages from God through a variety of ways…but reading that line brings to mind the image of a funeral…
how torn up the ones left behind are at the loss.

We grieve because that person is leaving our presence.
Even though we know they’re going to a wonderful place, better than what they’re leaving, it’s still painful to see them depart.

Then I got an image of God having to condemn anyone to hell.
It doesn’t even matter who it was or why He would have to deny the soul entrance into heaven…but the grief must be horrendous for Him because He knows the eternity that soul is going to have to endure.

Imagine if we knew with absolute certainty that someone we loved would be going straight to hell? It would rip me apart, it truly would…and then I multiply my anguish by an unfathomable number just to get an inkling of what God must feel when He has to deny a soul entrance into His Kingdom. :crying:

I pray we all do whatever we can to not hurt Him so… :gopray2:

the sad part is, it’s sooooo easy to hurt Him because we are so weak and surrounded by way too many temptations.

Thank you, LittleRose, for making a difference in my day.
 
Me too. I just read your post (YinYangMom) and I was moved also. Sometimes we need to take time for ourselves and reflect on God and all the gifts we receive from him. I am currently attending a 4-day mission service. It began on Sunday night and is continuing until Wednesday night. I am usually too tired to go out after work but I am finding myself excited to go each night because I am trying very hard to get closer and to really know the true presence of Jesus.
 
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Equinox:
And you said I was predictable (laughs) I do NOT need ‘self justification’ I am more than comfortable with myself, now more than ever. I merely created an issue for debate “I am homosexual, yet I am Catholic”

God Save Your Soul…
The question I have for you is, are you really comfortable with yourself? Do you truely feel that you are solely attracted to members of the same-sex? Is there any attraction at all to members of the opposite sex?

It is only the gay mainstream media that makes people think that if you are attracted to people of the same sex that means you are gay. That isn’t the case. Many people have varying degress of a same-sex attraction.

First and foremost you are a person of God that has been given a gift of sexuality. It is how you use that gift that determines who or what you are. Not what other people think you are. Before declaring yourself “gay” explore all sides of your personality. You may find that this is an experimentation phase or just confusion. Gay mainstream acts like if you feel that way you are gay, but you can just be in an experimentation phase or a confusion phase. It happens.

The church teaches that in order to have sex you need to be married to a member of the opposite sex, period. Any other misuse of the sexual gift is a sin. If you truely have only a same-sex attraction you are called to a life of celibacy. If during that time of celibacy (totally avoiding all porn and masturbation and any other temptation) you feel the SSA diminish and you feel attractions to members of the other sex you may be called to marriage. It is to early to tell one way or the other.
 
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