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RebeccaJ
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Perhaps you should take it up with Jeffrey Holland. He is quite clear that it does not.
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MelanieAnne
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If you believe the differences are “minor” then you don’t understand the differences.
There is a vast gulf between any Christian faith and Mormonism and no amount of playing with words is going to paper over those differences.
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MelanieAnne
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Why? There doesn’t seem to be anything of value to watch so far. To this point it has been run-of-the-mill Mormon “we’re Christians just like you” stuff. And it’s not only not true, it’s not particularly interesting.
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MelanieAnne
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Go ahead. You could actually see what it was that Jesus asked us to do if we believed in Him. That’s what we do at the Church that was actually founded by Jesus Christ.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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what does this mean “lucifer in tenebris lucet”?
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dzheremi
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Hahaha. This thread is something else. “The Mormon concept of God is incompatible with the Catholic concept of God.” “Nuh-uh! I’ll show you! I’m gonna go to MASS, and you can’t stop me!” 
I would say “Don’t make me turn this thread around, you two!”, but I already did that once and it degenerated into basically the same thing. Um…oops.
I would say “Don’t make me turn this thread around, you two!”, but I already did that once and it degenerated into basically the same thing. Um…oops.
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RC_Matt
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Tsuzuki dude, you’re trying to rationalize the two concepts of God and they are mutually exclusive; totally incongruent. The LDS belief in the nature of God excludes Mormonism even from the category of being an Abrahamic faith, i.e., Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Bahai; it’s in its own category, like Buddhism or Hinduism. The belief that the god of our world was once a mortal man and progressed to godhood by being a good Mormon elsewhere is so far beyond the pale that serious comparison to the Christian concept doesn’t even merit serious consideration. Similarly, the Mormon doctrine of eternal progression, the belief that man can become a god himself and be worshipped as a god by his own creation, is anathema to even the most liberal Christian interpretation.
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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Every one is welcome to attend The Mass. Everyone should not receive the Eucharist. If you are holding to Mormon beliefs, and from what I have seen on a few other sites that you post on you need to go talk with a Priest. make confession and stay away from the Mormons that the magic and other things it appears you have involved yourself in that are in opposition to the Catholic faith.
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robert_Ian_Will
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Why I am not a Mormon
There are two reasons why I am not a Mormon:
Man will never become a God on his own planet.
Isaiah 43 :10
There are two reasons why I am not a Mormon:
- what you teach about God
- What you teach about man
Man will never become a God on his own planet.
Isaiah 43 :10
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MelanieAnne
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I’ve tried using a language translation tool from Latin to English. Not all of the words translated. Without a complete translation, it’s only speculation. Here’s what I found:
- Lucifer = Shining, bright, clear (but could also be another name for Satan)
- In = Upon, into, onto
- Tenebris = NO TRANSLATION AVAILABLE FOR THIS WORD
- Lucet = Lamp
- Tene = To occupy, keep, hold, to keep on, persist, persevere, endure, to grasp, know, understand, to hold, possess, maintain
- bris = strenuous
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Cobbfmly
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I worked through the translation with Tsuzuki at forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4038139&postcount=55
It means “Morning star shines in the darkness”.
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Walden
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As for me…Kolog…
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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So in other words it say Lucifer shines in the darkness. hmmm
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catharina
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**(I can’t believe you all are not LDS(Mormon)!) **
BELIEVE IT!!!
BELIEVE IT!!!
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Cobbfmly
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Lucifer in 2 Peter 1:19 and Rev 22:19 is Jesus. Tsuzuki claims that his quote is based on John 1:5 and 2 Peter 1:19, yet he will not place derived from John 1:15 & 2 Peter 1:19 (or Rev 22:19) below it, so that people know that he is referring to lucifer as defined by these passages.
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catharina
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You call yourself "Mormon Rite Catholic?"
Is this the sixth or seventh big-split from LDS?
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RebeccaJ
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The meaning of the word “Lucifer”, as defined in the Bible is morning star, and was in its earlies time associated to the planet Venus. Emphasizing the brilliance of this “star” in the early morning. It became associated to the principal fallen angel, who must lament the loss of his original glory, bright as the morning star. So really, calling this fallen angel “Lucifer”, is somewhat akin to rubbing salt in a wound.
Jesus is also called morning star, which the notes in the NAB call a symbol of resurrection and victory over death. In our Christian belief, Christ is also victorious over Satan.
in 2 Peter 1:19
“Moreover, we possess the prophetic message that is altogether reliable. You will do well to be attentive to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.”
and Revelations 22:16.
“I, Jesus, sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star.”
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RebeccaJ
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It isn’t a “big split”, it is the fantasy of one man. But yes, Mormons always seem to be making up their own religions.
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catharina
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Again, one man’s invention, a la Joseph Smith.
LDS offers a HUGE helping of circular thinking to any who wish to indulge in it!
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why_me
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There is nothing in the book of mormon that will lead anyone to damnation. If we take the book as a book that was written by a relgious person, ie, sidney rigdon, then we can see the book in a different light: a book written by a man that wanted to make people more religious. He certainly had no grand designs to conquer the world. Likewise for JS.
King Benjamin’s speech is a case in point. It is a beautiful speech by a ruler who ruled righteously to the best of his ability. It is full of wisdom for leaders today.
I can point to more instances in the book but that will do for now.
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