I can't believe you all are not LDS(Mormon)!

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Tsuzuki said:
Well, I never said I would lead the charge. I’m just happy doing my own thing.

However, I’m more than happy to correct any misconceptions about the other in each respective camp. I showed my local LDS Institute director the Nicaean Creed, and he said he agreed with it. (He had never actually read it before.)
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You can give your understanding a try on the MAD board, but I think that you will be up against some dissent. Perhaps you have done this already. I haven’t had much time for MAD lately but in the autumn I will return.

Even if you didn’t lead the charge just voiced your opinions, may get you just a tad in trouble if you are persistent. And of course, this is the way it should be. It is no different for catholic priests and nuns who stray from the dogma. The Reformed Catholic Church in Venesuela is a case in point.
 
why_me said:
There is nothing in the book of mormon that will lead anyone to damnation. If we take the book as a book that was written by a relgious person, ie, sidney rigdon, then we can see the book in a different light: a book written by a man that wanted to make people more religious. He certainly had no grand designs to conquer the world. Likewise for JS.

King Benjamin’s speech is a case in point. It is a beautiful speech by a ruler who ruled righteously to the best of his ability. It is full of wisdom for leaders today.

I can point to more instances in the book but that will do for now.
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I have bolded and underlined part of your statement for emphasis.

Now, see a passage from the Mormon Doctrines and Covenants below, also bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Doctrines and Covenants 49.9-10

9 Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
10 And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the nations of the earth shall bow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid low of power.

There seems to be a contradiction between your statement and the Doctrines and Covenants of your Church.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
Why am I not Mormon? There are many reasons–what Mormons teach about God–that He is a man “just like us”, is a polygamist, and lives near the star Kolob; the character of the founder of this “man made” religion; the fact that this founder didn’t bother to “test the spirits”, like 1 John 4:1 indicates; the Freemasonry influences; what Mormons teach about Jesus–that He’s just “a” god–not to be worshiped–and BTW another polygamist; the poor way the Mormons themselves (especially the women) are treated; the arrogance of the Mormon missionaries; and the poor (and destructive) way Mormons treat non-Mormon family. I dislike the spying (visiting teachers or home teachers that are sent to “report back”), and the way the people are expected to “check their minds at the door” and not use reason. I certainly dislike the being pressed into service (callings) at the expense of family and health, and the re-defining of concepts so as to confuse people who are honestly seeking. But I think that main reason I am not Mormon is because I know Mormonism is not true. I love Jesus and do not believe that He lied nor do I believe that He left us orphans.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have bolded and underlined part of your statement for emphasis.

Now, see a passage from the Mormon Doctrines and Covenants below, also bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Doctrines and Covenants 49.9-10

9 Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
10 And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the nations of the earth shall bow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid low of power.

There seems to be a contradiction between your statement and the Doctrines and Covenants of your Church.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
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Very good post. You’ve cited ONE of the many examples of mormon teachings that support the decision of the Catholic Church to call LDS a non-Christian group.
 
why_me said:
There is nothing in the book of mormon that will lead anyone to damnation. If we take the book as a book that was written by a relgious person, ie, sidney rigdon, then we can see the book in a different light: a book written by a man that wanted to make people more religious. He certainly had no grand designs to conquer the world. Likewise for JS.

King Benjamin’s speech is a case in point. It is a beautiful speech by a ruler who ruled righteously to the best of his ability. It is full of wisdom for leaders today.

I can point to more instances in the book but that will do for now.
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it specifically teaches false doctrines. it tells us that infant baptism is one of the greatest sins man can commit. it tells us the bible is incomplete and corrupt. how is that wisdom?
 
why_me said:
Even if you didn’t lead the charge just voiced your opinions, may get you just a tad in trouble if you are persistent. And of course, this is the way it should be. It is no different for catholic priests and nuns who stray from the dogma. The Reformed Catholic Church in Venesuela is a case in point.
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Dude, your “Reformed Catholic Church of Venezuela” has absolutely nothing to do with the Catholic Church. It is a recently formed Protestant denomination with about 2,000 members; it is led by a former Lutheran minister and is comprised mostly of ex-Catholics, ex-Anglicans and ex-Lutherans and was founded by dissident clergy from all three. Its liturgy is based on the Episcopal Book of Common Prayer and it is Anglican in orientation. It is politically pro-Chavez and reportedly receives funding from his government. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out what’s up with that.
 
Cobbfmly said:
Lucifer in 2 Peter 1:19 and Rev 22:19 is Jesus. Tsuzuki claims that his quote is based on John 1:5 and 2 Peter 1:19, yet he will not place derived from John 1:15 & 2 Peter 1:19 (or Rev 22:19) below it, so that people know that he is referring to lucifer as defined by these passages. :hmmm:
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I do realize that Christ has been know in New testament writings as the Morning Star. I also know that in our Modern world that is not the association made. I also know that the Mormons teach that Lucifer is the brother of Jesus. So In light of that, the lack of biblical reference in the signature and from a real quick cut and paste of it leading to other sites that mr. Tsuzki post on I find it very interesting. I am not saying that is not what he tended it to say. Just that it is highly questionable.
 
Hmmm…I am pretty sure they’re incompatible to everyone else of either religion. 🤷
 
Tsuzuki said:
The reason why I joined the Catholic Church is the same as the reason why I remain active in the Mormon Church. The two are inseparable to me.
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Oh come on, you’re not a Mormon Rite Catholic. You’ve put way more on your plate from the religious smorgasbord than these two.
 
Tsuzuki said:
Those are the two main ones, and I can piggyback a lot on the Mormon side.
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I don’t know I see very little of the “Catholic” in you. Here or there.

Though I see a lot of smart aleck at both ( I’m not being nasty there, it makes me laugh, bet your fun at a pary:) )
 
Tsuzuki said:
The reason why I joined the Catholic Church is the same as the reason why I remain active in the Mormon Church. The two are inseparable to me.
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This is some kind of joke, right? It is not possible to be Mormon and Catholic at the same time. The two are not inseparable, they are utterly incompatible.
 
MelanieAnne said:
This is some kind of joke, right? It is not possible to be Mormon and Catholic at the same time. The two are not inseparable, they are utterly incompatible.
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He knows that they are not compatable belief. I think he has trying to raise peoples anger.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
I have bolded and underlined part of your statement for emphasis.

Now, see a passage from the Mormon Doctrines and Covenants below, also bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Doctrines and Covenants 49.9-10

9 Wherefore, I say unto you that I have sent unto you mine everlasting covenant, even that which was from the beginning.
10 And that which I have promised I have so fulfilled, and the nations of the earth shall bow to it; and, if not of themselves, they shall come down, for that which is now exalted of itself shall be laid low of power.

There seems to be a contradiction between your statement and the Doctrines and Covenants of your Church.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
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I see no contradiction. This verse from the D&C has much to do with the spread of the gospel and not individual power. The book of mormon did not bring JS or Sidney Rigdon much power. But it did give much heartache and a hugh headache for the both of them.

Sidney was a successful minister before he joined the lds church. I see no reason why he would write this book for individual gain or power. And JS was just a farm boy involved in money digging. I cannot see him writing this book day after day, dreaming of weath and power. (JS was not seen with paper and pen in hand writing a book. He was not known for such activity).
 
oneGODoneCHURCH said:
He knows that they are not compatable belief. I think he has trying to raise peoples anger.
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No, he isn’t. I have known Tsuzuki for many years on the MAD board. He is serious about the catholic faith. Although I may consider his or her logic just a little off, he or she is serious.

Here is the problem from where I see it: First, it is not exactly possible to be active lds following the counsel of the church leaders and to be an active catholic. However, it is possible to incorporate both churches into one’s life from a moral and life perspective.

Second, if Tsuzuki would begin to speak about Mormon rite catholicism in lds meetings he or she would meet with incomprehension and if he or she advocated such a line, he or she would probably get a good talking to, and if no change comes, church discipline.

Also, I don’t think that a priest would allow Tsuzuki’s baptism and confirmation into the catholic church if the priest knew of Tsuzuki’s mormonism.
 
lizs1988 said:
I have been a Mormon all my life and to this day I can’t believe you all are other religions! If you read the Book of Mormon you would truly see it is true. I don’t know why you all choose to read anti materials and listen to EXMormons.

I feel bad for those who have lost the true gospel but there is always time to come back. I have been reading posts for about 6 months and have decided to join. I have always been interested in the whole Idea people are Catholic because they seemed a bit messed up. I mean you bow down to a Pope. So very sad.😦
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First of all, the Book of Mormon is an irrelevant book to Catholics. Second, the LDS is a mimic church of the Catholic Church and is diametrically opposed to it.
Third, Mormon beliefs are not Christian.
Fourth, we do not ‘bow’ to the Pope. He occupies the Chair of Peter and pastorally guides the Church.
I don’t think it is Catholics who are "messed up a bit."
 
why_me said:
I see no contradiction. This verse from the D&C has much to do with the spread of the gospel and not individual power. The book of mormon did not bring JS or Sidney Rigdon much power. But it did give much heartache and a hugh headache for the both of them.

Sidney was a successful minister before he joined the lds church. I see no reason why he would write this book for individual gain or power. And JS was just a farm boy involved in money digging. I cannot see him writing this book day after day, dreaming of weath and power. (JS was not seen with paper and pen in hand writing a book. He was not known for such activity).
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I believe Joseph Smith brought on his own troubles or heartaches as you call it. I get the feeling of Joseph Smith’s own self-importance and self-appointed leadership through his words in his speech of 1844.

Joseph Smith gave a speech in May 1844:
Smith proclaimed this: “I have more to boast of than any man ever had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a church together since the days of Adam.…Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”
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Mormons don’t usually wish to discuss that speech from Joseph Smith.
Just 30 days from making that boast, on June 27, 1844; Joseph Smith was shot in Carthage jail.
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Joseph Smith proclaimed this in 1841:
“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”
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Why have there been over 4,000 changes in the Book of Mormon since its 1830 publication? Can it still be “the most correct book” of any on earth with that many errors?

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
lizs1988 said:
I have been a Mormon all my life and to this day I can’t believe you all are other religions! If you read the Book of Mormon you would truly see it is true. I don’t know why you all choose to read anti materials and listen to EXMormons.

I feel bad for those who have lost the true gospel but there is always time to come back. I have been reading posts for about 6 months and have decided to join. I have always been interested in the whole Idea people are Catholic because they seemed a bit messed up. I mean you bow down to a Pope. So very sad.😦
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Hi lizs1988,

I’m a Mormon, but I find your behavior here to be ridiculously rude.
 
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