I can't believe you all are not LDS(Mormon)!

[MelanieAnne]

No, he isn’t. I have known Tsuzuki for many years on the MAD board. He is serious about the catholic faith. Although I may consider his or her logic just a little off, he or she is serious.

Here is the problem from where I see it: First, it is not exactly possible to be active lds following the counsel of the church leaders and to be an active catholic. However, it is possible to incorporate both churches into one’s life from a moral and life perspective.

Second, if Tsuzuki would begin to speak about Mormon rite catholicism in lds meetings he or she would meet with incomprehension and if he or she advocated such a line, he or she would probably get a good talking to, and if no change comes, church discipline.

Also, I don’t think that a priest would allow Tsuzuki’s baptism and confirmation into the catholic church if the priest knew of Tsuzuki’s mormonism.

So basically you are saying that in order to pull this off, Tsuzuki has to deceive both the Catholic Church and the Mormons. The trouble is Fraud and Deceit are not Christian values.

I hope, at least, that Tsuzuki is not going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist because, with all the deceit involved, it would be in a state of mortal sin.

 

[Joe_5859]

I’ve tried using a language translation tool from Latin to English. Not all of the words translated. Without a complete translation, it’s only speculation. Here’s what I found:

• Lucifer = Shining, bright, clear (but could also be another name for Satan)
• In = Upon, into, onto
• Tenebris = NO TRANSLATION AVAILABLE FOR THIS WORD
• Lucet = Lamp

Then I had the idea to break tenebris into more than one word ~ tene and bris

• Tene = To occupy, keep, hold, to keep on, persist, persevere, endure, to grasp, know, understand, to hold, possess, maintain
• bris = strenuous

My guess is something like “Keep a strong lamp shining” but I’m sure there will be other opinions.

Tenebris means “darkness”.

 

[Cobbfmly]

So basically you are saying that in order to pull this off, Tsuzuki has to deceive both the Catholic Church and the Mormons. The trouble is Fraud and Deceit are not Christian values.

I hope, at least, that Tsuzuki is not going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist because, with all the deceit involved, it would be in a state of mortal sin.

Yes, it is pure fraud and deceit. Unfortunately, I can not think of a way to identify him (i.e. full name), or I would speak with my pastor about this situation, as I am in the same diocese. But speaking with my pastor when I only have a on-line name would be useless as my diocese covers 20 counties encompassing 42,000 sq miles and has over 100 parishes.

 

[rpp]

This explanation…

He knows that they are not compatable belief. I think he has trying to raise peoples anger.

makes much more sense than this one.

No, he isn’t. I have known Tsuzuki for many years on the MAD board. He is serious about the catholic faith. Although I may consider his or her logic just a little off, he or she is serious.

Here is the problem from where I see it: First, it is not exactly possible to be active lds following the counsel of the church leaders and to be an active catholic. However, it is possible to incorporate both churches into one’s life from a moral and life perspective.

Second, if Tsuzuki would begin to speak about Mormon rite catholicism in lds meetings he or she would meet with incomprehension and if he or she advocated such a line, he or she would probably get a good talking to, and if no change comes, church discipline.

Also, I don’t think that a priest would allow Tsuzuki’s baptism and confirmation into the catholic church if the priest knew of Tsuzuki’s mormonism.

The Catholic Church does not have a Mormon rite. To claim it does is a lie from the pit of Hell.

 

[sola_scriptura]

This explanation…

makes much more sense than this one.

The Catholic Church does not have a Mormon rite. To claim it does is a lie from the pit of Hell.

Oh my goodness, I’m still laughing. Who could think the Catholic Church has a Mormon rite?

Man Mormons will believe anything. I’m moving to Utah and becoming a bridge salesman.

 

[why_me]

I believe Joseph Smith brought on his own troubles or heartaches as you call it. I get the feeling of Joseph Smith’s own self-importance and self-appointed leadership through his words in his speech of 1844.

Joseph Smith gave a speech in May 1844:

Mormons don’t usually wish to discuss that speech from Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith proclaimed this in 1841:

Why have there been over 4,000 changes in the Book of Mormon since its 1830 publication? Can it still be “the most correct book” of any on earth with that many errors?

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1

The speech that you refer to, I believe comes from a mormon published book but I am not sure if it is a prepared speech by JS or notes that was taken by a participant who heard the speech. But I will find out.

The problem is: most antimormons are wonderful in pulling out such quotations as this. I have seen this all before many times. But it actually means very little. First, we need to know the context of the words, Second, everyone is entitled to a little boasting once in a while. Third, if this quotation was taken from someone’s notes, they are not reliable regardless if published as a collection by the lds church.

JS said also said many wonderful and great things. The human being says much in one’s life.

 

[why_me]

Hi lizs1988,

I’m a Mormon, but I find your behavior here to be ridiculously rude.

Liz has started another thread where she is now attending Mass and the RCIA program. Both threads were started only after a few days from each other.

 

[AMDGtoo]

everyone is entitled to a little boasting once in a while.

Really? And where is that in the Bible or even in “how to get along with others” instructionals? And furthermore, little?

 

[why_me]

Why have there been over 4,000 changes in the Book of Mormon since its 1830 publication? Can it still be “the most correct book” of any on earth with that many errors?

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1

fairlds.org/apol/ai282.html

I think that you will find some good explanations at the above site.

And these two articles are from the lds magazine, the Ensign:

Ensign Articles

These articles cited below provide information on the topic of this page. The Ensign is one of the official publications of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When you click on one of the article links below, you are whisked to the article found in the archives of the Church’s Web site.

George Horton, “Understanding Textual Changes in the Book of Mormon,” Ensign, December 1983, 25.

Robert J. Matthews, “Why have changes been made in the printed editions of the Book of Mormon?,” Ensign, March 1987, 47.

Both of which can be found at the above link.

 

[scipio337]

Smith was wrong in even that little prophecy. There were LDS offshoots from day 1. Many are around to this day.

 

[why_me]

Really? And where is that in the Bible or even in “how to get along with others” instructionals? And furthermore, little?

As you know we all must be careful of boasting. But as human beings it can be difficult not to at times. JS was a human being and he was out among the people, living with the people. He said much as a human being.

 

[dzheremi]

Does it mean that anyone is “entitled” to boast, though, just because it can be difficult not to? That isn’t right.

 

[CTA1967]

Well, Paul did “boast” in his letters didn’t he?

 

[MelanieAnne]

Does it mean that anyone is “entitled” to boast, though, just because it can be difficult not to? That isn’t right.

I submit that WhyMe is downplaying the arrogance of Joseph Smith in claiming that he had outdone even Jesus Christ. He’s trying to make it out to be along the same lines as the John Lennon claiming the Beatles were more famous that Jesus Christ ~ more of an offhand comment.

But in fact, in the quote in question, Joseph Smith, in the context of founding a new religion, was putting himself above God. No matter how you might want to spin it, that’s the sort of brash arrogance one might expect from a con-man and a fraud, not a holy man.

 

[Lion_of_Narnia]

Those are the two main ones, and I can piggyback a lot on the Mormon side.

“How can you be in two places at once, when you’re not anywhere at all!?”
*–*The Firesign Theater

 

[RebeccaJ]

Liz has started another thread where she is now attending Mass and the RCIA program. Both threads were started only after a few days from each other.

Do you have a prescribed time for God working in people’s lives?

 

[estesbob]

"A certain person once said, ‘No matter where I put my mind, my intentions are held in check in the place where my mind goes, and I lose to my opponent. Because of that, I place my mind just below my navel and do not let it wander. Then am I able to change according to the actions of my opponent.’

This is reasonable. But viewed from the highest standpoint of Buddhism, putting the mind just below the navel and not allowing it to wander is a low level of understanding, not a high one. It is at the level of discipline and training. It is at the level of seriousness. Or of Mencius’ saying, ‘Seek after the lost mind.’ This is not the highest level either. It has the sense of seriousness. As for the ‘lost mind,’ I have written about this elsewhere, and you can take a look at it there.

If you consider putting your mind below your navel and not letting it wander, your mind will be taken by the mind that thinks of this plan. You will have no ability to move ahead and will be exceptionally unfree.

This leads to the next question, ‘If putting my mind below my navel leaves me unable to function and without freedom, it is of no use. In what part of my body, then, should I put my mind?’

I answered, 'If you put it in your right hand, it will be taken by the right hand and your body will lack its functioning. If you put your mind in the eye, it will be taken by the eye, and your body will lack its functioning. If you put your mind in your right foot, your mind will be taken by the right foot and your body will lack its functioning.

‘No matter where you put it, if you put the mind in one place, the rest of your body will lack its functioning.’

‘Well, then, where does one put his mind.’

I answered, 'If you don’t put it anywhere, it will go to all parts of your body and extend throughout its entirety. In this way, when it enters your hand, it will realize the hand’s function. When it enters your foot, it will realize the foot’s function. When it enters your eye, it will realize the eye’s function.

'If you should decide on one place and put the mind there, it will be taken by that place and lose its function. If one thinks, he will be taken by his thoughts.

‘Because this is so, leave aside thoughts and discrimination, throw the mind away from the entire body, do not stop it here and there, and when it does visit these various places, it will realize function and act without error.’"

- Takuan Sōhō, The Mysterious Record of Immovable Wisdom​

And the point is?
-------------------------------------

Zeus Rite catholic.

 

[CTA1967]

I think it’s sorta interesting that if you Google the exact words “Mormon Rite Catholic”, the first thing that shows up is Tsuzuki’s sig… google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Mormon+Rite+Catholic%22

The second is “Oh come on, you’re not a Mormon Rite Catholic.”

The next two are someone on Yahoo Answers asking if “Mormon-rite Catholic” is a real phrase.

Then Google omits “some entries very similar to the 4 already displayed”.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

No, he isn’t. I have known Tsuzuki for many years on the MAD board. He is serious about the catholic faith. Although I may consider his or her logic just a little off, he or she is serious.

Here is the problem from where I see it: First, it is not exactly possible to be active lds following the counsel of the church leaders and to be an active catholic. However, it is possible to incorporate both churches into one’s life from a moral and life perspective.

Second, if Tsuzuki would begin to speak about Mormon rite catholicism in lds meetings he or she would meet with incomprehension and if he or she advocated such a line, he or she would probably get a good talking to, and if no change comes, church discipline.

Also, I don’t think that a priest would allow Tsuzuki’s baptism and confirmation into the catholic church if the priest knew of Tsuzuki’s mormonism.

that because on both sides it is not possible to be both.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I think it’s sorta interesting that if you Google the exact words “Mormon Rite Catholic”, the first thing that shows up is Tsuzuki’s sig… google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Mormon+Rite+Catholic%22

The second is “Oh come on, you’re not a Mormon Rite Catholic.”

The next two are someone on Yahoo Answers asking if “Mormon-rite Catholic” is a real phrase.

Then Google omits “some entries very similar to the 4 already displayed”.

That is because there is no such thing. We have a person here that wants to be all things. you can see this not only on post he makes here but on other sites and the subject matter of those sites. he likes but his own words the LDS cause within it he can (piggyback other beliefs) that would not hold in Christianity.