I can't believe you all are not LDS(Mormon)!

[RebeccaJ]

On the Internet, it seems to happen very quickly especially on this section of the forum. ‘Brainwashed’ Mormons suddenly seeing the light in two weeks on the threads seems to be a contradiction of situations.

I don’t believe she has described herself as “seeing the light”, she said she’s going to RCIA. Which, for anyone wanting to learn what it is the Catholic Church teaches, that is a good place to go. I recommend it for you.

 

[rpp]

Maybe you have three computers and get a kick out of creating random people on the catholic forums , then again… nah, I believe you for what it’s worth.

You do not need multiple computer to either spoof or change the results of an IP traceback.

 

[dzheremi]

rpp: I have no idea if any of the things Tsuzuki posts are true or not. I’m just saying that I think it’s better to forgive and encourage someone to be honest than to treat them like a lost cause.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Where was it?

I don’t remember where it was, and if it was part of a profile or something it could have already been edited away. But I do remember seeing “agent of chaos” or something very much like that and thinking it was an odd phrase for a Catholic board. If I find it, I will let you know. I don’t frequent other boards so I didn’t see it elsewhere.

 

[rpp]

rpp: I have no idea if any of the things Tsuzuki posts are true or not. I’m just saying that I think it’s better to forgive and encourage someone to be honest than to treat them like a lost cause.

You are, of course, correct. We, as Christians are required to forgive those who are contrite.

But there is a difference between forgiveness and trust. Trust can be likened to a very delicate sculpture. Once broken, it is very difficult to repair and even if it is repaired, it is never the same.

 

[MelanieAnne]

You are, of course, correct. We, as Christians are required to forgive those who are contrite.

But there is a difference between forgiveness and trust. Trust can be likened to a very delicate sculpture. Once broken, it is very difficult to repair and even if it is repaired, it is never the same.

Actually we’re required to forgive all. Whether or not they are contrite makes no difference. We are to forgive, period.

Your quote about trust is fabulous. And many people these days seem to equate forgiveness with the restoration of the relationship to the place it was before the trust was broken. They are not the same, and your analogy puts it very well.

 

[MelanieAnne]

I can remember someone else calling me that, but I never made that comment about myself.

Perhaps you would care to end the confusion then & be more specific?

 

[nebula]

You do not need multiple computer to either spoof or change the results of an IP traceback.

Hmm learn something new every day! I’m not the most computer savvy person out there.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Hmm learn something new every day! I’m not the most computer savvy person out there.

People in my area only need to reboot their dsl modem to get a new IP.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1

 

[RebeccaJ]

People in my area only need to reboot their dsl modem to get a new IP.

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1

proxy server is all you need

 

[dzheremi]

I agree with all that, rpp and MelanieAnne. That’s why I made a point in my original post to say that we invite him to earn our trust.

 

[MelanieAnne]

I agree with all that, rpp and MelanieAnne. That’s why I made a point in my original post to say that we invite him to earn our trust.

Yes, I noticed that when you posted it. You are correct. Trust is not automatic, it has to be earned, and once it is broken, it is difficult to regain.

 

[lizs1988]

Tsuzuki

Why are you saying you are me? I am reporting you to the MODS! That is uncalled for!

I never did anything to you

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Tsuzuki is not online, at the same time as you are.

In fact his profile doesn’t show his last activity time while you’re logged on.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[why_me]

I don’t believe she has described herself as “seeing the light”, she said she’s going to RCIA. Which, for anyone wanting to learn what it is the Catholic Church teaches, that is a good place to go. I recommend it for you.

I have some things to say about this, but I think that there is alot of confusion on the two threads that Liz has started. And perhaps it is not her fault. But one thread would have been enough. In other words, on the same original thread that she started she could also have posted her new experiences in RCIA or attending mass. But to have two threads contradicting each other started by the same person does add confusion and suspcion.

Also, on the other thread, she implied that she told the missionaries and ward members that she was attending (or was interested in) RCIA and the Catholic Mass. Usually this is done for a reason. Why tell the missionaries?

Now for my part, I told my daughters and some members that I go to Mass and did not get the response that Liz got. But I waited a while as I attended Mass and got involved in catholic activities.

But I still give her the benefit of the doubt…

 

[cathopologist]

proxy server is all you need

A transparent proxy easily gives way. An experienced Mod can easily traceroute a member to see if he has multiple id’s. One reason why i disallowed members of the forums i used to moderate to own multiple accounts.

There is so much bipolarism on internet forums, its not funny.


However, i will give Tsuzuki the benefit of the doubt, until someone proves otherwise.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I have some things to say about this, but I think that there is alot of confusion on the two threads that Liz has started. And perhaps it is not her fault. But one thread would have been enough. In other words, on the same original thread that she started she could also have posted her new experiences in RCIA or attending mass. But to have two threads contradicting each other started by the same person does add confusion and suspcion.

Also, on the other thread, she implied that she told the missionaries and ward members that she was attending (or was interested in) RCIA and the Catholic Mass. Usually this is done for a reason. Why tell the missionaries?

Now for my part, I told my daughters and some members that I go to Mass and did not get the response that Liz got. But I waited a while as I attended Mass and got involved in catholic activities.

But I still give her the benefit of the doubt…

My dad was in a bishopbric for 10 years, 5 years as bishop. There is a lot that he would do for people that they never knew about. He works the same way with his kids (us). Mainly, use other members that are close to a person, asking those people to get involved. So, if you are friends with a mormon in your ward, that friend shows up to counsel you and be your support. As you tell this friend your woes, doubts, struggles, etc, they are reporting it back to the bishop, who then takes more actions (without you knowing), like, sending missionaries to your door. The friend remains involved, and may randomly bring up the idea, “maybe we should have the missionaries help you with X doubt/struggle”. Some may be more honest and disclose that they are working with the bishop and just say, “the bishop suggests you work with the missionaries.”

I have known and worked with many leaders in the mormon church, some very high mucky mucks, and they all work this way. Most take this method into their businesses as well. It is very effective. And when used to help people in need, it gets the job done quick. Mormons see members who doubt/struggle as in need (spiritually).

What response did you get from your daughters and other mormons?

 

[MelanieAnne]

Rebecca, I’ve also heard of the same sort of method being used, but not always with such noble purposes. I have heard of leaders using their position to gain personal information about members so that they could proceed to gossip about them. Unfortunately, when this practice was reported to the Bishop, he did nothing about it.

I don’t think I like the idea, in general, because of the potential for abuse.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Rebecca, I’ve also heard of the same sort of method being used, but not always with such noble purposes. I have heard of leaders using their position to gain personal information about members so that they could proceed to gossip about them. Unfortunately, when this practice was reported to the Bishop, he did nothing about it.

I don’t think I like the idea, in general, because of the potential for abuse.

Agreed, it can also be used in highly manipulative ways, which, has made me very distrustful of mormons who show up to “help”. In the case of people who are in vulnerable points in their lives, my suggestion is to keep the mormon help at bay, as their motives are to keep a member first, always. Which is not very impartial and may be exactly what the person does not need. It deteriorates quickly into using a person’s emotions to achieve the desired goal of keeping them active.

 

[MelanieAnne]

Agreed, it can also be used in highly manipulative ways, which, has made me very distrustful of mormons who show up to “help”.

It’s good that you’ve learned to protect yourself.

I’ve had Mormon friends for years, and have Mormon friends locally. But I admit my respect went down when a Stake President knowingly allowed his brother to lie and escape responsibility for a business transaction that went bad through the brother’s negligence. That showed me that it was OK with them to lie and cheat as long as it wasn’t done to another Mormon.