I don’t know how to answer a question about the Flood

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So anything in the bible that is 100% impossible, never happened?

Jesus healed the sick, healed leprosy, raised the dead, performed exorcisms with just one command, walked on water, suffered for the sins of the entire history of mankind, rose from the dead, walked through walls, sent the Holy Spirit, the apostles and early church then spoke in tongues, cast out demons, heales the sick, raised the dead, angels miraculously let Peter free from prison, the apostles had visions, …Jesus left Himself in the Eucharist for us,

The bible says of God: ‘You do impossible things.’

Jesus said: ‘What is impossible to man is possible to God.’

When Jesus spoke in parables he spoke in a complete short story narrative format with a beginning, middle and end of a storyline with a moral lesson.

Jesus also said historical statements:
‘I am the Bread of Life come down from Heaven.’

‘Just as Jonah was in the belly of a whale for three days, shall the Son of Man be killed by sinners, and on the third day rise from the dead.’

‘Just as in the days of Noah, so shall it be when I return.’

‘I saw satan fall from Heaven like lightning.’

‘Before Abraham was, I AM.’
 
In addition to “The Flood”, there is also the destruction of two cities:


Archeologists have found the sites …

here is an excerpt:

Another candidate for Sodom is the Tall el Hammam dig site which began in 2006 under the direction of Steven Collins. Tall el Hammam is located in the southern Jordan river valley approximately 14 kilometres (9 mi) northeast of the Dead Sea, and according to Collins fits the biblical descriptions of the lands of Sodom.[32][33] The ongoing dig is a result of joint cooperation between Trinity Southwest University and the Department of Antiquities of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan.[34][better source needed]

Controversial … yes.

But worthy of study.

But not off topic:


Read … study … build a library shelf for yourself … make field trips.

I have worked in places in present-day Libya where the Romans used to harvest wheat and ship it to what is now Italy. 700BC to 700AD Leptis Magna - Wikipedia

And I’ve worked in places where local oral history remembers Alexander the Great. (20/21 July 356 BC – 10/11 June 323 BC)
 
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YoungCatholicGuy said:
So anything in the bible that is 100% impossible, never happened?
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Correct. Things that are physically impossible don’t happen. That’s what the word impossible means.

If your claiming that every living thing was loaded onto an ark with dimensions described in the Bible, and all these living things were kept alive, then released, that is impossible. I can go into detail as to why it’s impossible if needed.
YoungCatholicGuy said:
What is impossible to man is possible to God
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If you make a claim that’s clearly shown to be impossible, then move the goal post back to effectively the argument of magic, then where can the conversation go? My issue is that you fall back on the “God can do anything argument” but then try to use science to back up your claims like the following
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Dozens of Bible stories are backed up by archaeology as HISTORICALLY ACCURATE.
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So you can’t really have your cake and eat it too. You claim that oh you can use archeology to prove this happened, but when something couldn’t of happened, you then suspend all the laws of the universe and say anything is possible.
 
Wesrock said:
Even if they came to a violent end here, they may very well have eternal bliss with God and, even in their short time, have had valuable experiences
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This line of thinking is responsible for many autrocities in history. It’s a very dangerous outlook.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Then why fight abortion?
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Biologically the unborn child is clearly:
  • human
  • living
  • a separate human organism from mother and father
Life Begins at Fertilization with the Embryo’s Conception

US law is clear that the rights of one person can be curtailed when exercising that rights interferes with the rights of another person. For example, we have the right to free speech, but, not the right to slander or incite a riot. We have the right to a free press, but, not the right to commit libel. In the context of abortion, the right to life of the unborn child should supersede whatever claimed rights the mother has to abortion.

18 U.S. Code § 2102 - Definitions

Supporting abortion requires denial of biological reality and ignoring clear legal precedent concerning how conflicts in rights are reconciled.

Biology and law provide compelling arguments for outlawing abortion.
 
Doesn’t answer my question in relation to the post I was responding to. The poster was saying that we shouldn’t worry about babies who died in the flood because they all went to Heaven anyway. Can’t help but question that line of thinking.
 
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TheAmazingGrace said:
Doesn’t answer my question in relation to the post I was responding to. The poster was saying that we shouldn’t worry about babies who died in the flood because they all went to Heaven anyway. Can’t help but question that line of thinking.
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Our conduct will be judged on the Ten Commandments. [New rules.]
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
Sorry, what?
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Humans act against their nature when they murder innocents or, perhaps even worse, murder their own young who are still under their protection. Abortion is against the moral law we must abide by to be good humans.
 
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And I didn’t say we shouldn’t worry, exactly… just that God is both just and merciful, and we can trust that he accounts for such things when judging their souls.
 
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YoungCatholicGuy said:
These are historical events spoke of by Jesus. Not parables.
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Parables are one way of speaking allegorically, but not the only way. Interestingly you’ve included quite a few examples of Jesus speaking allegorically.
YoungCatholicGuy said:
‘I saw satan fall from Hell like lightning.’
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From the context it is not really clear whether this is literal or not, at any rate the meaning is that Satan had lost a great deal of his former power after the Apostles had done their tasks.
YoungCatholicGuy said:
‘Just as in the Days of Noah, so shall it be when I Return.’
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But it’s not going to be just like in Noah’s days, though, because there will be quite a few different details in the Last Days. Clearly Jesus is referring to a specific aspect of Noah’s days, and not speaking literally.
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‘Destroy this body and I will raise it up in three days.’
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He didn’t say body. He said temple. He meant His Body, but He said temple as a symbolic way of saying body.

I admire your zeal for getting what you believe to be the truth out there, but why can’t you accept the Church’s position, which is that there is some room for interpretation on the first part of Genesis?
 
Wesrock said:
And I didn’t say we shouldn’t worry, exactly… just that God is both just and merciful, and we can trust that he accounts for such things when judging their souls
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Wait how does this line of thinking work? In this scenario God just mercilessly murdered a large amount of infants, and then we must trust him with their souls? I’m not following. Why would you trust the murderer with the victims that he just murdered? That makes no sense.
 
Jesus only spoke alegorically in parables. Fact.

Jesus was not talking of the apostles causing satan to lose power, he was saying He personally was a witness in Heaven to satan being thrown out:

Bible quote: ‘Jesus answered: ‘’I tell you solemnly, I SAW satan fall like lightning from Heaven.’

Bible quote of Jesus also:
‘Just as Jonah was in the belly of a whale for three days, so shall the Son of Man be put to death and on the third day rise again.’

‘I tell you solemnly, just as in the days of Noah people were eating and drinking up until the coming of the Flood, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes in the clouds with great glory.’

Jesus regularly spoke of historic events past, present and future. As God He is a first hand witness to the past, present and future because He is omniscient.

God CAN do the impossible, and this HAS BEEN backed up by Bible Archaeology that bible events were also historic. Proving that if the historical element is true, so is the miraculous element.

Miracles in the catholic church for the causes of beatification of saints are Scientifically/ Medically verified first as being miracles by doctors. Acts of God. The impossible. Incurable diseases being cured by intercession from a saint etc…

So you disbelieve all Jesus miracles and miracles of the saints? And the historical truths present in scripture?
 
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Did he not flood the world and kill everyone? Doesn’t matter if he is a person, or being, or alien, or entity, or whatever, it doesn’t change what he did?
 
YoungCatholicGuy said:
God CAN do the impossible, and this HAS BEEN backed up by Bible Archaeology that bible events were also historic. Proving that if the historical element is true, so is the miraculous element.
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You have peer reviewed studies from respectable archeologists that prove historical biblical miracles took place? Can you post this proof please?
 
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When I pray, I often use this painting - a Saint Francis thing ?
Anyway, thanking God for his wonderful creativity -
and l’ll mention an animal…a cow…crow…beaver…chipmunk…etc

I believe it happened.
God can do whatever he wants.
Like Jonah in the whale’s belly.

The Rainbow - how can you not look upon one with wonder…
And we have all been caught in terrential downpours !
Raining so hard, instant flooding everywhere, after only an hour.
 
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