I don’t know how to answer a question about the Flood

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I said Bible Archaeology in the last century has been proving the historical truths of scripture.

And that the Catholic church regularly uses doctors to verify miracles in the beatification of the saints.

That bible history and actual miraculous acts of God do happen.
 
YoungCatholicGuy said:
Jesus only spoke alegorically in parables. Fact
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That is not true.
YoungCatholicGuy said:
So you disbelieve all Jesus miracles and miracles of the saints? And the historical truths present in scripture?
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I’m trying to make you see that it is perfectly legitimate to interpret the first part of Genesis as not strictly literal. I haven’t said anything at all about my personal opinion on Noah or the Flood or anything. What caused you to make such a ridiculous conclusion regarding my beliefs?
 
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With God flooding the world why did he drown children and babies too so I don’t really know how to answer that. This guy and me are talking and he said if your God is so loving why did he drown all those people and I read more about it and I understand why but I don’t know how to explain it
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Just an observation, He’s rather selective in his outrage.

In Noah’s time, these people who were drowned, must have been real bad…fill in the blanks … To save animals in an ark, over THEM. After all, those people could have gotten on the ark. But they made fun of Noah.

Re: his point on children and babies. Look at OUR society today in particular, and the world in general when it comes to abortion. Since 1973, when Roe v Wade was legalized we’ve on average murdered 1.5 million babies / yr. Do the math. 1.5 million x 45 yrs in existence = ~67 million innocent lives electively murdered legally in this country alone in that time period. That’s more people than most countries have in their population. Multiply the real numbers for the entire world. It’s a huge number. Where is your friend on this point?
 
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You mean the “words” written down at least decades after they were spoken by unknown authors and unknown editing and mistakes?
 
steve-b said:
his point on children and babies. Look at OUR society today in particular, and the world in general when it comes to abortion. Since 1973, when Roe v Wade was legalized we’ve on average murdered 1.5 million babies / yr. Do the math. 1.5 million x 45 yrs in existence = ~67 million innocent lives electively murdered legally in this country alone in that time period. That’s more people than most countries have in their population. Multiply the real numbers for the entire world. It’s a huge number. Where is your friend on this point?
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Wow so the argument is yeah God killed millions of babies but so have humans? Well I guess if you view God as a human construct that might work. I’m sure the friend would be driven further away by this point.
 
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steve-b:
his point on children and babies. Look at OUR society today in particular, and the world in general when it comes to abortion. Since 1973, when Roe v Wade was legalized we’ve on average murdered 1.5 million babies / yr. Do the math. 1.5 million x 45 yrs in existence = ~67 million innocent lives electively murdered legally in this country alone in that time period. That’s more people than most countries have in their population. Multiply the real numbers for the entire world. It’s a huge number. Where is your friend on this point?
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Wow so the argument is yeah God killed millions of babies but so have humans? Well I guess if you view God as a human construct that might work. I’m sure the friend would be driven further away by this point.
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Such drama. :roll_eyes:

Here’s an advanced warning

Few are saved IOW most go to hell.

will knowing that in advance have any impact on you?
 
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If God can make His Son into actual bread for us to eat, raise Him from the dead, send the Holy Spirit (with gifts of tongues, visions, the miraculous,) heal the sick of incurable diseases such as leprosy, walk on water, walk through walls (as Jesus did after the Resurrection), then God can do anything, and the impossible is not impossible to God, It is relatively easy for God to do anything as He is an infinite omniscient Creator.

You struggle with God causing the destruction of mankind in a world flood?
Read the book of Apocalypse in the bible, Jesus said world events are coming in which the good and evil alike will both perish under God’s justice because of the sin’s of mankind,

The bible says God causes rain to fall on both the just and the evil alike.

The book of Exodus shows God asking the Israelites to invade Palestine with Joshua and leave no pagan survivors living, neither women nor children.

God’s justice has come upon the world in many forms throughout history.

Our Lady of Fatima warned if the world did not convert and pray the rosary that World war II would happen.

It is not God’s will that we suffer like this, the sins of mankind earn this upon us.

In the Vatican approved apparition in Akita in Japan, Our Lady has warned: if the sin of abortion does not stop, fire will rain down from Heaven and wipe out a third of mankind.

In the Old Testament God told the Israelites: ‘I am offering you a blessing or a curse. A blessing if you should keep My Commandments, or a curse if you should break them.’ The Jews firmly believe all the times in history where there country was invaded by a foreign power was because the Jews forsook the Commandments.

Why does God send His justice?

The saints have nothing to fear in death for they will reach Heaven.

The sinners may convert at the very last moment.

In tragedy people often turn to God as the last resort, and amend their lives.

Jesus told Saint Faustina this lesson about God’s justice vs God’s mercy:
‘If a person converts and changes their ways and asks for My Mercy, I will move Heaven and Earth to help.’

‘My Justice is also a mercy, because many are the souls who turn from the Hands of My Justice and turn to the Hands of My Mercy.’

Meaning many are saved, or at least saved in the end when they repent because of a tragedy, and seek God.
 
wkj_123 said:
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Zaccheus:
Scripture does not say the Ark saved every living thing. There were eight human beings aboard the Ark, no more: and a collection of animals.
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If you believe in a worldwide flood then what to you suppose saved everything else?
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I don’t know. That fact does not bother me. There are a great many things I know to be true without understanding how they’re possible.
 
Asiacamie said:
With God flooding the world why did he drown children and babies too so I don’t really know how to answer that. This guy and me are talking and he said if your God is so loving why did he drown all those people and I read more about it and I understand why but I don’t know how to explain it
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One does not ask a doctor to only remove part of a cancerous tumor.
 
Given that the written records of the Flood predates the biblical writings, you’d think this thread would accept it as allegory and a retold myth.

It’s a wise lesson, whichever deity decides he/them has had it with humanity.
 
Example often used:

It is raining cats and dogs - literal- author intended to convey it is raining very hard

literalistic - cats and dogs are falling from the sky.

Catholics read and understand Scripture as what the inspired author intended to convey, that is literally.
 
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And Jesus says in Acts of the Apostles: (outside of the book of genesis)
‘Just as in the Days of Noah will it be when the Son of Man returns.’

Historical statement of The Flood and End times Second Coming.

There is no allegory. Jesus allegory was in parables which were short story fictional narratives with a beginning, middle and end.

Jesus made many historical statements of the past, present and future:

‘One sits here who will betray Me.’

‘Just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days, will the Son of Man rise again on the Third Day.’

‘I saw satan fall from Heaven like lightning.’

‘I am the Bread of Life.’

‘I will send you the Holy Spirit.’

If we start turning the whole bible into allegory we deny the historical truths Present in scriptures (which Bible archaeology has been proving in the last century) and we deny the fact that God can do the miraculous and the impossible.
 
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Listen to the words of Saint Peter, our 1st Pope, the rock Jesus build the foundation of the church on!!!

1 Peter 3 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)

18 For Christ also suffered[d] for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, in order to bring you[e] to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which also he went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, 20 who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water.

St. Peter proclaimed Noah’s flood was REAL!!
 
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YoungCatholicGuy said:
And Jesus says in Acts of the Apostles: (outside of the book of genesis)
‘Just as in the Days of Noah will it be when the Son of Man returns.’

Historical statement of The Flood and End times Second Coming.

There is no allegory. Jesus allegory was in parables which were short story fictional narratives with a beginning, middle and end.
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And were noted and made clear they were parables.
 
And saint Peter was speaking Public Revelation (which continued up until the death of the Last Apostle), as the apostles were informed literally through visions, words of knowledge, etc by the Holy Spirit Himself after Pentecost.
 
So its a parable that Jesus will return in the Second Coming or died for every sin , or rose from the dead?

For Jesus Himself refers to Jonah and His rising from
The dead in the same statement.

And refers to Noah and the Second Coming in the Same Statement.

And Peter himself refers to Noah and Jesus death for every sin, in the same statement.
 
Pope John Paul II when he visited Armenia publically said that Mount Arrarat is where we believe the Ark rested after the Flood.
 
wkj_123 said:
Wow so not only did he kill millions but he will burn them eternally after that? Dang at least i can sleep at night knowing how much God loves us🙄 If he acts this way now can you imagine how bad he would be if he didn’t love us! Even if I believed in this God your describing I would be forced to take the moral high road and not worship it.
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Who needs enemies when you have friends like that!
 
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