History is on my side on this one.
St. Ignatius doesn’t explain the term, he uses it, it was already understood what the Catholic Church was.
A lot of the denominations are the creation of men with differing versions and confusion due to ‘private interpretation’ of scriptures.
Great post!!
The thread that I posted on the Death and resurrection Controversy illustrates the differing views of Personal interpretations though out Christian history regarding the death and resurrection time line.
Still no scriptural support of your view?Great post!!
Hey Todd,
The church that you call catholic, is such because some men decided to call it that. It was initially called The Way, and Christians were Christians, not catholics! Tell me, what do you know about the Greek Orthodox Church? Does it predate the cc?
The Anti Catholic material was removed per the request. The controversy surrounding the day of the week began long before I was born as is evident by the third century bishops perception which is objectivly illustrated since we are not to uproot tares or we uproot the wheat.
BTW, you aren’t the toddvetter33 that was banned a little while back are you?
I will pray for your safe completion of this grueling shift:thumbsup: And what position am I supposedly defending; that as a Christian, Iam able to follow the teachings of Christ? You know, more than just the disciples got saved and baptized!Still no scriptural support of your view?
Oh well, I have a 26 hour shift starting at 6AM and need to get some sleep. I’ll look for any scriptures you can find to support your view, or I’ll just maintain my view that it is a ‘man-made’ tradition, without scriptural support.
The Orthodox and Catholic was one Church, until 1054. I showed you where the term Catholic was derived from the Greek, used in scriptures. Acts 9:31.
Thanks, I just got off a 48 this morning.
I have heard that Ignatius was a student of John, and all of Jesus’s words apply to me, ALL of them, and all of the words of the OT prophets as well! You know, like Jeremiah 29:11? Or Psalms 46:10? These both give me comfort and hope!The Orthodox and Catholic was one Church, until 1054. I showed you where the term Catholic was derived from the Greek, used in scriptures. Acts 9:31.
And, btw, do you know who the early Church fathers were? St. Ignatius was a ‘student/disciple’ of St. John who authored the Gospel of John, Revelations and 1, 2, and 3 John.
Rather than just tell me what you believe, why aren’t you using scriptures? I’m still waiting on the scriptural support of your view on all the points I’ve provided in response to your questions. I’m afraid you’re only helping my argument with the lack of any evidences to support you.
Of Course I am. I never did anything wrong to be banned the first time except present a non denominational perception that went contrary to the Roman church. I did so in the Non Catholic threads of this forum just as I am currently doing where every non catholic view goes contrary to the Roman Church. This thread says it welcomes the Protastant view. Are they not telling the truth when they say this view is welcomed here? The information that was pointed out to me as being anti-catholic has been removed, so I don’t think we will have any more issues over banning if the Truth is free to all and always comes out on top.BTW, you aren’t the toddvetter33 that was banned a little while back are you?
No disrespect, but there is a reason why for 43 years as a Christian, I am not a catholic Christian!
Well you’d make a more convincing argument if you showed where Christ instructed the multitude to ‘teach’ or ‘preach’, or where Christ told anyone to ‘appoint’ themselves.
The King James Version uses the word ‘ordained’ instead of ‘appointed’, but they mean the same thing.
Circumventing a banning is also a bannable offense.
It takes time. I understand. I was a Protestant for 30 years, before converting to Catholicism. That was in 1985.
In an earlier post, you mentioned pastors, priests, deacons and others as those appointed. Since our church has a pastor, and deacons, well, bada bing, badaboom! And as far as “teaching” of others by ordinary Christians, such as you and I, is what I would call informal; you know Bible studie and such? I am not an ordained minister, but I have knowledge of things, that I can share with believers and non believers. to say that we cannot or do not have the Holy Spirit in us, is to say that one cannot have apersonal relationship with Jesus
And any Christian who loves God, knows that that is wwrong!I would be a “cafeteria catholic”, which I know is frowned upon by the catholic community!It takes time. I understand. I was a Protestant for 30 years, before converting to Catholicism. That was in 1985.