I have questions regarding speaking in tongues?

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Right point but it is always checked inside prayer group by several people. And yes there can be mistakes if someone is interpreting inspired by himself not Holy Spirit.
 
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Inbonum said:
Well you would be open if you would use spiritism seanse to call Holy Spirit and expect that the “ghost” that showed up or is speaking is Holy spirit. But praying to God in way that is confirmed and approved by Church as part of charismatic movement is not the same as inviting demons, not even unintentionaly.
But on the other hand one can open himself in negative spiritual way if he is doing some things on his own while not being obedient to spiritual director.
For example people can think that channeling is the same as apparation of Virgin Mary.
Also people at mass are praying to Holy Spirit, so isn’t that also opening spiritual doors? People pray at home to Holy Spirit, isn’t that also opening? In churches we also pray Hymn to Holy Spirit, so isn’t that opening?
I know it is not usual for everyone and not everybody is fammiliar with charismatic movement’s way of prayer and simmilar but there are some misunderstandings.
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You misunderstand me, I am in no way implying prayer in a proper way, is a way of opening yourself to something malevolent.

no what I’m saying, is to open oneself specifically wanting to receive some sort of gift or charism can lead to something else coming through the door, hence why I said:
CathBoy1 said:
these people go into them seeking to obtain some charism from the Holy Spirit
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They possibly (I’m not saying this is always the case) aren’t being entirely pure in their intentions trying to obtain what they may well perceive as a special ability or power.

Let’s remember in the only biblical accounts of speaking in tongues it worked like this:
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The best example I can give of the traditional Catholic understanding of speaking in tongues:
Say I only speak Latin as my native language and I don’t know how to speak any other language, and you only speak English as your native tongue and know no other language, In the case of speaking in tongues I would be speaking in Latin, and you an only English speaker would understand me in your native English although I’m speaking in Latin.
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There wasn’t any mentions of people babbling in some sort of strange sounding language that somebody else needed to interpret the meaning of, this understanding is simply put unbiblical (and most likely not of God) as I stated one must watch themselves (perhaps guard themselves would’ve been better?) with this practice.

Peace be to you CathF ✌️
 
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Sorry for my misunderstanding.
If someone is looking for gifts for himself it never ends up good. God is the giver and all charisms and gifts that are given are for the building up the Church not for selfishness. If someone have charisms it doesn’t mean he is hollier, God is just using him for building the Church. Yes always guidance and obedience.
 
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What did I say about the contentiousness that always arises?

Anything that can be given to God can also be given to the devil.

Do we stop worship or praise because of that?

No! We discern the spirits! The charismatic movement is under the bishop of each diocese. To whom it is given, allow them to speak. If we find it concerning or off-putting, then we should learn about it!
 
Inbonum said:
Right point but it is always checked inside prayer group by several people. And yes there can be mistakes if someone is interpreting inspired by himself not Holy Spirit.
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The point of a double-blind test is that the interpreters would not consult with each other to prevent any chance that one consciously or unconsciously draws an interpretation from another. Also it’s best if there are multiple interpreters to weed out those who may not have the gift. If 7 out of 10 came up with the same translation then it points to the 7 truly having the gift and 3 not. If we get 10 different translations, then it’s less likely that 9 or 10 don’t have the gift and more likely no such gift exists.
 
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Yep I understand, in that way are checked things like prophecies, for example, one can have prophecy for some diocese or priest and after let say 3 month on other not connected prayer seminar someone can say the same thing and/or say what happened and then this is confirmation BUT those things are serious and it is always checked, there are rules. Devil can inspire many things and human spirit also can play a big role in this. It all is always taken carefully and very often checked in a way you described.
 
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Inbonum said:
Sorry for my misunderstanding.
If someone is looking for gifts for himself it never ends up good. God is the giver and all charisms and gifts that are given are for the building up the Church not for selfishness. If someone have charisms it doesn’t mean he is hollier, God is just using him for building the Church. Yes always guidance and obedience.
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No problem 👍

As an aside I have a cousin who was attending Eucharistic adoration some years back and heard a woman praying the rosary and she understood every single word she was saying and she knows this woman to only speak Spanish and no English (my cousin lives in TX and doesn’t speak Spanish) my cousin was so overcome she began to cry, so the phenomenon or miracle of speaking in tongues in the traditional Catholic sense still happens to this day, even if you don’t hear about it as much these days (unfortunately).
 
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Actually I hear for these things and it is not uncommon to happen. I myself witnessed to something simmilar, person was praying for other person in one language but other person understood it in their native language exactly word for word but heard everything in language of the person who prayed for her.
 
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Absolutely, and this is how speaking in tongues is understood in the traditional sense.
It is always heartwarming to hear stories like this.
😀 🙌
 
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Those are very interesting things.
I am often thinking about that experience l had. It is astonishing in some way.

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It all is always taken carefully and very often checked in a way you described.
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Are there any articles or documents you could point me to which show such a careful process to make sure interpretations are done by multiple independent sources that do not consult with each other?
 
I’ve heard exorcist priests warn that the speaking in tongues is similar to demonic speech during exorcism. Stay away from it.
 
That is the problem with this type of mystical phenomena. A great deal of discernment is required.
 
wow there seems to be many different answers… um thanks to all for some of the articles posted. I will read them.
 
I cannot because l speak from experience l have in my prayer group and on level of my diocese.
Maybe some rules and examples here
http://www.iccrs-archive.org/en/resources/documents-collection/
The thing is that noone is gonnna take secular “independent” people to check someone from prayer group. Everything is checked but checked inside catholic charismatic renewal and yes that is also independent. Something/someone from Italy can be checked by someone from Germany and without knowledge of italian about checking and about content etc. and if it is true and correct then that it is it. We know it is true when it is confirmed = also said by someone who doesn’t know any detail about case. And it isn’t only way of checking.
But ist’s not like every day is someone just bringing new prophecies.
It is in way l described earlier:
Inbonum said:
Yep I understand, in that way are checked things like prophecies, for example, one can have prophecy for some diocese or priest and after let say 3 month on other not connected prayer seminar someone can say the same thing and/or say what happened and then this is confirmation BUT those things are serious and it is always checked
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Also prophecies aren’t just about future, it is more about present.

The process of checking is valid but is not maybe like police investigation style. 😀
Sometimes God shows something is true even before we start to check.
Speaking in tongues is charism that is also given for building personal prayer life, so nobody will check someone who praises God AT HOME while praying in tongues, if it is confirmed that God gave him that charism then that is confirmed at start and checked on prayer group or seminary. Everything that is connected to more people than one person itself is checked independently and by someone who doesn’t know any detail about case. Prophecies, healing, prayer, interpretation, word of wisdom etc. Everything is checked independently.

And if you think it is not independent then l cannot help you. Police also can investigate their own officers using policeman from other station even though he is policeman. It doesn’t mean he isn’t independent.
 
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Written almost 50 years ago, when the movement was nascent. It is far better understood, defined and regulated at this late date. The preacher of the Papal household is a charismatic Franciscan, for example - to Popes Saint John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis.

The movement is not for everyone, but the charisms certainly are.
How do you determine which charism(s) you were gifted with by the action of the Holy Spirit?

That is the purpose of the Life in the Spirit seminars which are conducted. The movement reclaims what had been “hijacked” by 19th century American bible Christian innovators. Tongues has never been required, urged or even emphasized in my experience.

It is the most flamboyant of the gifts perhaps, but is limited to those to whom it had been given. Not my charism.

We are well advised to know what our charisms are.

And put them to work.
 
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kim_marie1 said:
would love for someone to give me a better understanding of speaking in tongues and what it means, why it occures,
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You probably should really include all the 9 ministry gifts in your inquiry.

As there are 3 vocal gifts that involves praying in tongues.
These extraordinary spiritual gifts, often termed “charismatic gifts”, are

[word of wisdom),
[word of knowledge]
increased [faith

, the [gifts of healing]
), the [gift of miracles
the [discernment of spirits]

diverse [kinds of tongues]
Speaking_in_tongues),
[interpretation of tongues
 
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