I need help with the Pope's audience hall looking like a snake

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And as was pointed out earlier, folks who think there’s anything “demonic” about it can take two minuts to read about it to learn about the artists influence. I am sure there are other pieces of art in Catholic culture that they similarly don’t understand. Should we just get rid of all of those, too because Protestants might get confused?
 
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This is perhaps true for you, but not for everyone.

The source matters to me because these kinds of wild-eyed accusations consistently come out of the crew that like to spend their time bashing the Pope and the Church. Knowing that helps frame the issue and gives info on how to weigh their claims.
 
A controversial thing doesn’t become less controversial just because one side insists the other should stop thinking it’s controversial. The disagreement about the nature of the disagreement just becomes part of the disagreement.
But apparently an uncontroversial thing can become controversial because a few internet-based haters use it to stir up discontent. That need not be true if we do not let it be true.
 
And as was pointed out earlier, folks who think there’s anything “demonic” about it can take two minuts to read about it to learn about the artists influence. I am sure there are other pieces of art in Catholic culture that they similarly don’t understand. Should we just get rid of all of those, too?
It seems obnoxious and elitist to expect an entire globe of strangers and the general public (including the illiterate and overwhelmingly busy) to undo the direct psychological impression an eccentric individual’s artwork gives them, by having to study the artist’s private motives and random private meaning-making in making it.

If it were just some dumb random art thing, I’d mostly ignore it (or maybe even praise it as a well-made piece of film horror set). But it’s literally behind the pope’s chair. And enormous, behind the pope’s chair. This visually represents our religion when non-Catholics tune in and look at it. And for some people, such subconscious impressions of evil can have an effect on whether they explore a religion further in future in the first place.

Protestants exist who think the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon. We love these Protestants and want them to convert. Why would we instead deviate from traditional art forms and symbolic language that even Protestants largely understand (even if they don’t like it and think it’s idols), and start instead using the visual language of evil cues to represent Christ?

I think it’s deliberately obtuse to claim there’s no difference between one kind of artwork that confuses Protestants, and another. There’s such an obvious difference here that it’s jaw dropping.

Like… to get at this another way.

Look back at that image of the sculpture. Now imagine the pope’s chair isn’t there, no hint of religious figures to give the context away. Just, that sculpture. (And maybe a couple random people in front of it for scale.)

Now imagine you’re a scientist showing that picture to 1 million random people. Totally random selection, you can even make it global if you like: People from India, China, Africa, North and South America.

Imagine asking these 1 million people one simple question, with two checkboxes in front of them: When shown this image for a split second, does it instinctively strike them as evil, or good?

Then see how many human creatures instinctively report that this sculpture gives them an ‘evil’ sense versus a ‘good’ sense.

Now granted we’d have to actually run this experiment to know for sure.

But I honestly think that anyone who doesn’t have a feeling in their stomach that tells them which way most humans will go on this, is being dishonest with themselves.

While some things vary by culture, some things are near pan-cultural universals (like the ‘Kiki’ / ‘Boobah’ linguistic phonetic phenomenon). It strikes me that the visual language of this dreary shadowy exploding enormous thorn bush, that gives an uncanny valley effect of contorted human figures among other jagged things, is likely to have a similar instinctive consensus from most human persons.

And that matters.
 
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The hall is ugly.

The statue is ugly.

Neither should have been made as such.

Such art styles should never be replicated nor done again in the future.

But neither are demonic, nor were either made by a Satanic conspiracy in the Church to pay homage to our supposed diabolic master.
 
But apparently an uncontroversial thing can become controversial because a few internet-based haters use it to stir up discontent. That need not be true if we do not let it be true.
It seems appropriate to express discontent about things one ought not to tolerate. Until the statue’s taken down, I think it’s fair game for the whole world to critique it 'til the cows come home.

(Well, and for the non-Catholics to chuckle because they think it’s hilarious that the Catholic Church is making itself look as cartoonishly evil as they like to tell people it is.)

As far as I’m concerned we deserve every moment of mockery we get from atheists and Protestants over this one. We’re in the wrong. That statue is evil-looking garbage, and we mock ourselves by associating ourselves with it.
 
This is all fine and good, and notwithstanding the ad hominem with which you began your post, the statue is not demonic. That’s what matters.
 
This is all fine and good, and notwithstanding the ad hominem with which you began your post, the statue is not demonic. That’s what matters.
Public perception also matters because the public is made up of human persons whose souls matter.
 
Public perception also matters because the public is made up of human persons whose souls matter.
If you’re saying that Catholicism and our traditions, beliefs, practices, and art should be based on public perception, you are at the top of a perilously slippery slope.
 
If you’re saying that Catholicism and our traditions, beliefs, practices, and art should be based on public perception, you are at the top of a perilously slippery slope.
How astutely and charitably you steel man my perspective.
 
The worst possible scenario would be that the Pope is corrupt, although there is literally zero evidence to suggest that. And if he was so what? The Church has had Her fair share of corrupt Popes and guess what? 2000 years and She’s still going strong.
 
Thank you. So why would it be necessary to justify or defend ourselves to Protestants?

1 Peter 3:15

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

Titus 1:9

He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

Colossians 4:5-6

Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.

1 Peter 3:15-17

But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.

Etc.
 
Numbers 21
7 Upon which they came to Moses, and said: We have sinned, because we have spoken against the Lord and thee: pray that he may take away these serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
8 And the Lord said to him: Make brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: whosoever being struck shall look on it, shall live.
9 Moses therefore made a brazen serpent, and set it up for a sign: which when they that were bitten looked upon, they were healed.
 
Should we also be sure not to offend them with our statues and icons? What about veneration of Saints?
 
I don’t particularly like the sculpture either, although I have (unfortunately?) seen worse.

The funny thing is that I can’t recall seeing it. It just didn’t register, because the Pope was sitting just in front of it. 😅 (I can tell you what the Pope talked about, on the other hand: saint Joan of Arc.)
 
Should we also be sure not to offend them with our statues and icons? What about veneration of Saints?
No, I don’t think we need to worry about good and holy practices and traditions.
Honestly just this hideous sculpture and hall are rather off-putting. Normal statues seen fine to me!

Believe me there’s no shortage of Catholics critiquing ugly modern architecture (although of course this building is not an actual church).


 
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There’s nothing snakey looking about it in this footage for sure.

I think I rather prefer the tapestry that was there before the sculpture. 🙂 It just looks more normal to have that curtain and tapestry close behind the pope.
 
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Here’s an interesting article about St. Peter’s Oratory, one of the buildings that was razed to make room for the Audience Hall. It was a Knights of Columbus building that was built in 1924:
Forty years later, this playground was chosen to become the new location for St. Peter’s Oratory. In another expression of loyalty to the Holy See, the Knights of Columbus donated the original St. Peter’s Oratory location to allow for the construction of a new and much larger Audience Hall in 1965. This fulfilled the desire of Pope Paul VI for a new facility to receive the ever-increasing numbers of pilgrims.
[http://win.kofc.it/eng/italia_storia.asp]
 
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