I thought COVID19 would blow over in 2 weeks and then I saw this video

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meltzerboy2:
What we do NOT need is empty promises and lies from our POTUS, who bungled the nation’s defense and offense against this virus from the start.
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Since you have so much knowledge in these types of emergencies, why dont you enlighten us with the step you would have taken.
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I’d start with not downplaying the virus for two months and all the while saying it won’t affect Americans.
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I was just watching a report from a journo in New York City who said it’s been declared a disaster zone with one person dying every hour.
 
I’m on an online forum dedicated to Mary, based in Ireland, which has a large number of European (particularly Irish/English but also other EU countries) as well as American participants. I spent the first two weeks of the month talking to them about this and exchanging information. Based on their firsthand experience, here’s my takeaway:
  1. Italy has the oldest population of any country in the EU. Partly because it’s been a popular retirement location for many EU citizens, partly because the economic situation a few years back led many young Italians to leave to other countries for jobs (EDITED TO ADD: and due to decreasing birth rates, there are a dearth of young people.) The elderly are by nature more vulnerable to disease and infection, without the healthy young immune system needed to combat illness: they get sick more easily, and take longer to recover.
  2. Italy has the highest number of tobacco smokers in the EU. Years of smoking – not only cigarettes but pipe and cigar tobacco – have led to a large number of Italians with damaged lungs and weakened immune systems.
  3. Italian culture has thrived on close physical contact. Try being introduced to your Italian girlfriend’s family and avoid being showered with hugs from everyone and kisses on the cheeks from mama, grandmothers, aunts, etc. Not accepting them or being uncomfortable with them will get you labeled as cold or stand-offish – not a good sign for joining the family. Although warnings about what Americans are calling “social distancing” were in the Italian press two weeks ago, it took a shutdown of the entire country AND police stopping you on the street to question you and make sure you have a valid reason for being out to actually get Italians to go along with it.
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These three things together make for a HUGE population that is both at risk for spreading the infection AND for becoming severely infected quickly that DO NOT apply to the US. (Other factors may include things like Italy’s single-payer health system, which encouraged these older Italians to rely on hospital emergency departments for care that Americans usually would take to their medical providers. That’s a topic for another thread.) The exceptions are as follows:
  1. Cities with large homeless populations. The conditions on the streets, in addition to making it very, very easy to get exposed to the Wuhan virus, also make it more difficult to fight infection. So expect a large number of homeless to test positive for the virus.
  2. Cities with large populations of poor people. They may have jobs and homes, but have enormous stress which reduces the body’s ability to fight infection. In addition, any drug use (AND THIS INCLUDES BOTH MARIJUANA AND TOBACCO USE) will make these people more prone to develop complications if they DO get infected.
  3. Cities with large number of twenty-somethings. These people may have been involved with vaping, thinking it was safer than smoking tobacco. They don’t vape now, but the damage to their lungs has been done and probably not healed yet. Or, if they regularly use marijuana, they don’t consider the fact that marijuana burns hotter than tobacco, so the extra heat over the long term will do a different kind of damage to their lungs. No matter: a lung infection is a lung infection regardless of if it’s influenza or corona virus.
So are we on our way to becoming the next Italy? No, or if so, only in select pockets. I don’t know how the homeless are going to practice social distancing. Expect the MSM to make sure that we all know that a problem they’re having in Bronx means the entire country can expect to end up to the hospital by the end of next week. Oh, that’s the other problem: without sufficient testing, we have no way of knowing just how many people ARE infected; without knowing that, we have no way of knowing just what the death rate is (currently estimated at around 1.8% [EDIT: now around 1.2%] in the US) and what the recovery rate is.
 
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I was just watching a report from a journo in New York City who said it’s been declared a disaster zone with one person dying every hour.
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Did they know PRE-MORTEM that the person had the Wuhan virus, or was that found in the autopsy? Did the person have any contributing factors such as tobacco use (see my previous post)? Was the Wuhan virus the CAUSE of death or simply a contributing factor, such as having influenza may contribute to a cancer patient’s death? Too many variables that the MSM is not reporting on.
 
Obesity is also a comorbidity for this virus. Americans may not have a smoking problem compared to Italy but we do have an obesity problem.
 
But Italy has a 9% mortality rate. Here in the US we have 1.2% mortality rate.
 
I guess it is only natural for people to vent and point fingers. But we had better get past using that energy for blame and redirect to figuring out how we are going to get past it better than than they did in 1918.

We have far better healthcare systems, safety nets and resources than we did then, but we have far more people and ways to transmit the virus. Plus we have a demonstrably lower level of common sense then they did back then. This isn’t gloom and doom, this is math and science. It isn’t CNN vs Fox or at least it shouldn’t be. There is enough blame to go around.

Let’s get busy with some sane and rational planning. Now would be a good time to say an extra prayer and rosary. It would be a good time to reach out over the phone to someone who might be fearful or lonely and let them know you are thinking about them.
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And no, things are not that bad as of now in the USA, but there is a possibility that they could become so, and we’re trying to work against that now by self-isolating and hopefully avoiding overloading the health care system.
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Maybe it’s not that bad where you are, but it’s gotten very bad very quickly where I live in California. The whole state with more than 40 million people is under a “shelter in place” order requiring people to stay in their homes except for necessary activities like going to the grocery store, the pharmacist, and urgent doctor appointments, etc. All routine doctor appointments have been rescheduled. Restaurants can only sell food for take-out or delivery. All bars, gyms, and non-essential retail stores have been ordered to close. People are not allowed to gather in groups of more than 10 and are encouraged to stay 6 feet apart. Many non-essential businesses have closed which has forced them to lay off thousands of people. Restaurant workers have been hit especially hard and many independent restaurants will likely not recover. Even if a lot of people haven’t died yet, the economic disruption will be catastrophic.

On March 8, my county (which is not one of the big urban ones) had one confirmed case of coronavirus. On March 9th, there were 6 confirmed cases. On March 12, there were 8. On March 14, there were 14. On March 16, there were 15 cases and 2 deaths. On March 17, there were 16 cases and 3 deaths. On March 19, there were 22 cases and still 3 deaths. On March 20, there were 28 cases and 4 deaths. Today, there are 30 cases and 5 deaths. And there are undoubtedly many more infected people who haven’t been tested yet. Los Angeles County had 61 new cases on Friday. Hospitals are already bracing for a flood of patients.
 
One third of all ICU beds globally are being taken by younger people.

@MockSock thankyou for posting this, where I am we are about to go into complete lockdown. I have read projected figures for Australia, where sky news is, and I have family.

this is what doctors are saying is going to happen in Australia

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April and 12,000 by the 4th of April,” the open letter read before total numbers climbed to 452 on Tuesday.

“This is less than three weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in.”

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as @Emeraldlady says those figures were underestimated.
 
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this is what doctors are saying is going to happen in Australia

“On current growth rates the 370 cases in Australia today will be 750 on Friday, 1500 on Tuesday next week, 3000 next Saturday, 6000 on the 1st of April and 12,000 by the 4th of April,” the open letter read before total numbers climbed to 452 on Tuesday.

“This is less than three weeks from now and puts us in a worse position than Italy is currently in.”
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There’s an article in the San Francisco Chronicle about why the decision was made last Sunday by the health officers for the counties in the San Francisco Bay Area to impose a shelter in place order, at that time the most stringent action in the nation:
At noon last Sunday, officials from six Bay Area counties joined a call, and began by reviewing data from the outbreak in the region. The growth in COVID-19 cases didn’t reflect the whole picture. Because testing in the region, as well as in the state and the country, was severely limited, untold hundreds or thousands of cases were going undetected.

Still, the numbers showed that Santa Clara County was about two weeks behind reaching levels seen in Italy. And the other counties were just a few days or so behind Santa Clara County.

If nothing was done, officials feared for the most vulnerable populations: the elderly or people with underlying medical issues that would require intensive medical treatment…Most concerning were the number of ICU beds, respirators and other supplies that were needed to confront the crisis without any preventive action, said Jeffrey V. Smith, the Santa Clara County executive.

The need for bolder action was clear: The six counties and Berkeley decided to stand together instead of focusing on “county-by-county” measures…Within an hour, they agreed to take the boldest and most stringent action in the nation to confront the spread of coronavirus: requiring nearly 6.7 million people to shelter in place, with only essential activity and travel allowed.

The directive from Bay Area public health officials caused a domino effect throughout California. By Thursday, nearly 21 million people in the state were under shelter-in-place orders issued by their public health departments. That evening, Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a stay-at-home order for the entire state until further notice.
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We need to hear more from the doctors and nurses treating these patients to really understand the seriousness of this event. A very sobering radio interview…

 
Stay safe, meltzerboy2. I’m hearing that New York City is ground zero yet again. Sending you a virtual hug and keeping you in my prayers.
 
I can not get it.
I am finally free from work and now i have some time for thinking and concentration.

It is evident that viruses live in human body.
By the way, did the viruses lived in Christ body during earthly life? I think-yes.

Those who say that viruses from the devil, but wait - what about dangerous waterfalls? Typhoons? Vulkanos? Deadly Sneakes and spiders?
No, these are the God’s creatures (even if God created through evolution)
So, the things are not evil (in ontological sence)
But what if this virus was made in laboratory to kill the elder and weak people?
What if its man made?
(but we do not have proves its man-made)
 
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