Iceland Bans All Strip Clubs

[edwest2]

The marriage bed is undefiled. What are strip clubs for?

God bless,
Ed

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[Rich_Olszewski]

The marriage bed is undefiled.

??? Don’t understand.

What are strip clubs for?

Those of us who consider them tawdry or exploitative or hotbeds of sin or just plain wrong ought not to patronize them. And, I haven’t, don’t nor will do so.

I will not impose my religious beliefs and the view of such places that flow from those beliefs on others.

 

[edwest2]

What would you say to those religious types that are protesting strip clubs right now? There’s one in my area.

What about those religious types protesting in front of abortion clinics?

It is time all Catholics realized how this happened: a small number of judges and lawyers and members of organized crime made this legal.

The Catholic Church is concerned about human dignity. Shouldn’t non-Catholics also be concerned about human dignity? That’s someone’s daughter or sister or mother in those clubs. I am not against the person but the behavior.

God bless,
Ed

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[Rich_Olszewski]

What would you say to those religious types that are protesting strip clubs right now? There’s one in my area.

I’d say, “Protest away. The 1st Amendment guarantees your right to do so.”

What about those religious types protesting in front of abortion clinics?

I’d say, “Good work, I did the same myself for a number of years.”

It is time all Catholics realized how this happened: a small number of judges and lawyers and members of organized crime made this legal.

How sweet of you to lump judges and lawyers and gangsters together. I’ll bet that if judges and lawyers got rid of strip clubs, your tune would change.

 

[sidbrown]

I will not impose my religious beliefs and the view of such places that flow from those beliefs on others.

I oftentimes hear this, but don’t we impose our beliefs on others all the time. For example, I read that in one religious traditon when a teenage girl disobeys her father in a serious matter, he has the right to beat her severely, causing great harm. And yet most people in the USA typically will say that it is OK to impose their belief that this should not be done and prosecute the father for abuse.

 

[edwest2]

I was taught that the Church does propose but does not impose. Every Catholic needs to be a witness to the truth for our neighbors so that they may hear it and consider it, without any coercion. Just as Jesus picked those who would be His disciples, they freely chose to follow Him.

God bless,
Ed

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[lynx]

Nothing wrong with a little tease and please if all parties are happy with the arrangement. It can be true that strippers have drug and self esteem issues, but i’ve met a few who have no problem with the game. As long as they dictate the touching and action quite a few don’t have problem with it all. Why should anyone else?

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

What would you say to those religious types that are protesting strip clubs right now? There’s one in my area.

“Check the Supreme Court rulings.”

What about those religious types protesting in front of abortion clinics?

“Check the Supreme Court rulings.”

It is time all Catholics realized how this happened: a small number of judges and lawyers and members of organized crime made this legal.

Like repeal of prohibition or allowing interracial marriage?

The Catholic Church is concerned about human dignity. Shouldn’t non-Catholics also be concerned about human dignity?

There’s nothing moral or dignified about an eating contest but they are legal.

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

I don’t know who to respond too? I will say this—Beau and Rich have it right on this one. Both of them will tell you we disagree on a lot of things—except freedom.

It’s not about strip clubs it’s about freedom here’s an example:

I love the band Alice Cooper since I was a kid did you know that England banned them from performing in London until the British fans raised so much hell they let the band have the concert in London.

I of course like all Catholics don’t like strip clubs but if you ban them what else will the government ban?

As I posted before would my Bible study group be banned? I’m married to a SDA and there are people in her church that would ban the Catholic Church!

I’ve been to other countries I’ve seen an Asian kid dragged off the street by police thrown in a barber chair and the police took clippers cut his hair like a sheep!

Why; that country at the time ROK [Korea] banned long hair on men.

All I’m saying is what else will be banned by the government? There are gun grabbers like Mayor Bloomberg of New York City that wants to ban me from owning a gun; let alone that I carry one all the time!

—Think about it?

 

[csuliman]

I oftentimes hear this, but don’t we impose our beliefs on others all the time. For example, I read that in one religious traditon when a teenage girl disobeys her father in a serious matter, he has the right to beat her severely, causing great harm. And yet most people in the USA typically will say that it is OK to impose their belief that this should not be done and prosecute the father for abuse.

It is not true that we do not impose out beliefs on others in this society. Our society has embraced secular and liberal (in terms of classical liberalism) ideals. Chief among them is the freedom of the individual to live, as much as possible, as they choose to. Beating another person is a violation of their freedom and the inherent dignity of the person (that is why you cannot consent to assault in Canadian law).

Thus there are beliefs that we will impose on others. These are the beliefs that allow our society to remain free. Within this free society we can live almost as we like, but we cannot force others to live like us. i.e. Muslims cannot draw the picture of muhammad, but they can never impose this on us.

 

[Dwyer]

The philosophical war between conservatives and libertarians began two hundred years ago when the first aristocratic French head was placed on a pike as declaration of war to prescriptive society. Libertarians are the disciples of the Enlightenment and staunch supporters of the French Revolution.

The author who wrote this was one of the editors of ‘The Michigan Review’, the conservative campus paper at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor:

freespeechproject.com/808.html

From:

freespeechproject.com/

 

[canadianguy1143]

I can’t help but learn from all the posts on this thread.

I think some people are guilty of ethnocentrism with howls of first amendment rights being violated even though Iceland doesn’t have a first amendment to my knowledge. I think the people of Iceland, if they don’t like this law, can vote the politicians out in the next election. To my knowledge, Iceland is a democratic country and if they like this law, who are any of us to tell them otherwise.

Strip clubs are not entertainment anymore than what gladiators were to the Ancient Romans. Shall any of us defend a country’s right to practice that today?

St. Max, your response has me curious. Surely as a military person, you don’t get to choose which lawful orders you can obey?

Also some people say that this law will do nothing but drive it underground and that until we get people to stop funding strip clubs there should be no laws to that effect. I say, that is ridiculous. People steal in every country and I am sure in every country it is illegal to steal. Should we make stealing legal until we get everyone to stop stealing then? Good luck on that one.

 

[Adeodatus]

It’s pretty simple. Is operating, working at or patronizing a strip club objectively immoral… that is, in the really real world of real planet Earth, is it really actually immoral? Yes. It really actually is immoral.

So outlaw it. If people keep doing it, stop them.

By outlawing strip clubs, the state is just doing its job: protecting the citizens.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

It’s pretty simple. Is operating, working at or patronizing a strip club objectively immoral… that is, in the really real world of real planet Earth, is it really actually immoral? Yes. It really actually is immoral.

So outlaw it. If people keep doing it, stop them.

By outlawing strip clubs, the state is just doing its job: protecting the citizens.

OK, what’s a strip club? You have grand opera in Thais but folks are prancing around nude. Then there’s hula, mujra, ballet and other forms of dance in costumes. The questions then becomes how much costume is necessary to make a dance club not a strip club? At that point you are channeling Las Vegas showgirls from the fifties, who wore elaborate costumes but showed their parts.

So you define a strip club as one without any artistic content. That’s a definition from the sixties, which has been thrown out.

Working at a strip club is immoral? I think eating contests are immoral! Now. different religions may have different views of what is immoral. So, in our pluralistic society with our freedoms of expression I don’t see how there can be an outright ban on strip clubs. Iceland may be different.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Did I mention Erykah Badu walking naked on a Dallas street? That sure looked like art, but not exactly my cup of tea.

 

[csuliman]

I can’t help but learn from all the posts on this thread.

I think some people are **guilty of ethnocentrism with howls of first amendment rights being violated even though Iceland doesn’t have a first amendment to my knowledge. ** I think the people of Iceland, if they don’t like this law, can vote the politicians out in the next election. To my knowledge, Iceland is a democratic country and if they like this law, who are any of us to tell them otherwise.

I do not agree that this is ethocentricism. Our Civilization is made up of principles which are derived from reason, and as long as they are thus derived they can be applied universally. When we say that freedom of speech is an important value, we mean that it is inherently a good principle. It is as good for the United States as it is for Canada, Iceland and Saudi Arabia. We might get 99% or Saudis saying that anyone who draws a picture of Muhammad should be punished, but this does not make them right.

I sometimes think that our society is too tolerant of the oppressive beliefs or policies of other societies. It is an atrocity that women are not allowed to drive in some countries, or treated as mere chattel- it makes no difference whether they do thins due to tradition or religion, we can say with certainty that it is wrong.

 

[Micholos]

This will be interesting to follow. I hope it doesn’t end up like the prohibition era.

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

I can’t help but learn from all the posts on this thread.

St. Max, your response has me curious. Surely as a military person, you don’t get to choose which lawful orders you can obey?

This has nothing to do with being a military person I was responing to people that want to ban these type of clubs in the United States. What else would be banned? As I posted before in my wife’s church SDA if it is up to the SDA church they would ban the Catholic Church becasue they think the Lords Church is evil. What other freedoms would be taken away who would be the judge?

Look at people like Mayor Bloomberg of New York City if it was up to him no civlian in the U.S. would own a firearm I wouldn’t want him to be the judge. What’s the old saying; don’t ask what you wish for you might just get it.

As for obeying orders in the military it depends if it’s a lawful order let’s say a higher ranking officer ordered me to kill a civilian that is no threat to troops or mission? I would have to turn my weapon on that officer.

Soldiers in the U.S. military are not mind numb robots we have a Code of Conduct.

 

[John_Lazarus]

As for obeying orders in the military it depends if it’s a lawful order let’s say a higher ranking officer ordered me to kill a civilian that is no threat to troops or mission? I would have to turn my weapon on that officer.

Soldiers in the U.S. military are not mind numb robots we have a Code of Conduct.

:yup:

I don’t know how it’s worded in the UCMJ, but in Vol II (Disciplinary) of the Queen’s Regulation and Orders, the relevant charge reads “Disobedience of a Lawful Command”. No one is bound to obey a command which in itself is unlawful.

 

[canadianguy1143]

This has nothing to do with being a military person I was responing to people that want to ban these type of clubs in the United States. What else would be banned? As I posted before in my wife’s church SDA if it is up to the SDA church they would ban the Catholic Church becasue they think the Lords Church is evil. What other freedoms would be taken away who would be the judge?

Look at people like Mayor Bloomberg of New York City if it was up to him no civlian in the U.S. would own a firearm I wouldn’t want him to be the judge. What’s the old saying; don’t ask what you wish for you might just get it.

As for obeying orders in the military it depends if it’s a lawful order let’s say a higher ranking officer ordered me to kill a civilian that is no threat to troops or mission? I would have to turn my weapon on that officer.

Soldiers in the U.S. military are not mind numb robots we have a Code of Conduct.

Thanks for your reply St. Max. I see what you are saying. I guess from my perspective, I see the Government has a responsibility to protect the people, even from themselves. Certainly we can both agree that strip clubs pose a moral problem for society.

I can see why you are concerned that if the Government has too much authority it can take away your rights like the 2nd Amendment of the right to bear arms.

I would be curious as to how you feel about how one can be fined for not wearing seat belts. My Father is of the view that my making seat belt wearing the law, its removing your freedoms.