I don’t either, especially since 51% of LGBT adults self-identify as having a religious affiliation. It is interesting to note that 66% of LGBT Catholics believe that the Catholic Church is unfriendly towards them.
It is interesting, isn’t it? Can you show me something from the Popes or the USCCB that would cause that? Is there some justification for the nastiness spewed at the Pope and Catholics, in general?
What I mean is that I rarely see Catholics generalize Protestants as anti-Catholic or vicious towards the Faith, yet I hear much worse comments much more often from Protestants than I do the LGBT community, which is frequently described as anti-Catholic or anti-Faith. I do not mean you, but rather the overall community as large. Can you honestly say you see the generalizations of Protestant religious as negative and anti-Catholic on this forum on even equal footing, let alone worse footing, than LGBT communities?What dichotomy? I’m opposed to and complain about any group who vilifies the Catholic Church. So are most Catholics.
I think it’s a misunderstanding of why the Church opposes SS’M,’ again not helped by the extreme Protestants who just yell out “IT’S IN THE BIBLE” or violent insults at gay people.
You don’t?
Equal? I don’t know…I haven’t kept a tally. Maybe you spend more time on gay-related threads?
I agree. And, like all people who want their particular sin to be okay, they take offense at the Church daring to call their activity sin and lash out.
I agree. The “gay lobby” is small. I notice that the far left allies itself with the cause of LGBT issues, etc. All social issues are wrapped up into one big secular left movement. I sometimes wonder what the motives of the left are in co-opting the gay rights movement. Perhaps their target is the Catholic church as that is the main obstacle to the implementation of the goals of the secular left.
No, I wasn’t talking about hearing those things from the gay community - about the Catholic church. I was talking about hearing (or overhearing) them said by what might be considered “everyday folks.”
I think there are a number of reasons for this. If I had to name a few off the top of my head it would be bishops wading into the media to talk about same-sex marriage with insulting hyperbole, bishops in Uganda supporting a bill calling for the execution of LGBT persons, the prohibition of gay priests, firing of gay teachers, etc. To be honest, none of the gay Catholics I know have expressed a problem with the teaching of the Church, but with being placed under the microscope for arguably uncharitable lecturing while the crickets sound on, for example, heterosexual divorce. They’ve expressed problems with the people who make it their purpose in life to vilify them. In my experience, their faith is a more personal and private experience and whatever issues they may have are best left to the confessional; not manufactured into fodder for the busybodies. Its difficult to distinguish between anti-gay diocese in Uganda or a few bad apples in a parish vs the Church when you’re essentially marketing yourselves as “One holy catholic and apostolic church.”
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What “insulting hyperbole” did the bishops use?
No, I’ve never heard a Catholic insult a Protestant in my life, other than playful jesting at sola scriptura, etc. But never a “why are they so anti-Catholic, etc.”You don’t?
Equal? I don’t know…I haven’t kept a tally. Maybe you spend more time on gay-related threads?
I don’t know about that. Let me give you an example I had from today. I was visiting a heavily LGBT area in Maryland, and this girl and I start talking. She’s wearing a cross, so I’m open from the get go about being a Theology student, etc.
I agree with must attempt to evangelize as best we can, but don’t ever expect the same courtesy from those who disagree with the Church.
This is a problem on the other end of the spectrum too, with priests excommunicating themselves by supporting SS’M’, female ordination, etc. Priestly (and even papal to an extent!) behavior is not infallible in any way, but it’s hard to make this point to an audience that isn’t well aware of the nuances in your teachings.
Well, there you go. As a former Protestant, I can tell you that there are a lot of very, very anti-Catholic Protestants (again, including my relatives), and I’ve seen it pointed out more than once.
Great job. Generally, my discussions with homosexuals tend to be very, very sour at the very moment they find out I’m Catholic. I got the same from many co-workers who were also anti-religious in general, but said particularly nasty things about the Church. And, liberal friends, whom I had to de-friend on Facebook after their extremely nasty anti-Catholic, anti-Pope posts. Should I go on?
Exactly. They are generally okay with liberal Catholics though, but, then, a lot of liberal Catholics can be just as nasty about Catholics as non-Catholics…
Well, I haven’t meant to discount your own personal experience by any means. The situations also seem different if I’m reading your posts correctly (e.g. your experience is in-house with family and close friends, whereas most of my experience is with randa-people at big events), so that might alter it somewhat. My LGBT close friends were about 90/10 in that 90% had an “i know your position, you know mine” attitude towards me and we got along great, while 10% were the…inflammatory type, but I don’t have any LGBT family, so there’s no way I can compare on that front.Well, there you go. As a former Protestant, I can tell you that there are a lot of very, very anti-Catholic Protestants (again, including my relatives), and I’ve seen it pointed out more than once.
Great job. Generally, my discussions with homosexuals tend to be very, very sour at the very moment they find out I’m Catholic. I got the same from many co-workers who were also anti-religious in general, but said particularly nasty things about the Church. And, liberal friends, whom I had to de-friend on Facebook after their extremely nasty anti-Catholic, anti-Pope posts. Should I go on?
Again, I’m glad you have had nicer experiences. I’ve run into anti-Catholicism quite a bit. I haven’t not found the alphabet soup community any better than other anti-Catholics.
I don’t want to risk getting dinged for discussing that again so let me pose this question to you. If your husband or wife walked up to you one day and said something along the lines of “Your cooking is disgusting.” then walked away, how would you feel?What “insulting hyperbole” did the bishops use?
It’s similar to the “Islamic terrorist” problem, though: The “extremists” make the headlines and shape perception, but this “moderate majority” never utters a peep of protest against them. But in the case of the “gay community”, it’s carried beyond silence into taking advantage of the actions of the “extremists”. 20 years ago, the push for same-sex “marriage” was purely the domain of the “extremists” in the “gay community”. Today, even most of my straight friends and family view me as some kind of reactionary bigot with a bible in one hand and a noose in the other simply because I oppose same-sex “marriage”. If the rest of the “gay community” is honest about the most vocal not actually representing them, then they need to speak up about it and stop following where people like Dan Savage lead.
I fail to see how this applies to the bishops, and it sounds like you don’t want to discuss it. I guess we’ll just have to drop it as an unsubstantiated claim.
I think you know it is not an unsubstantiated claim. I brought out tons of examples in a previous discussion on this issue and received an infraction for criticizing bishops. You’re welcome to google.