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99th_Monkey
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That’s what they said about Elvis.
'If gays don't like it, they can choose another pasta': Barilla pasta faces global boycott after chairman says brand would never feature a homosexual
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ishii
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Yes, they went too far with Elvis. Therefore we should all be relativists and not stand for any kind of decency whatsoever.
Not a good idea, 99 Monkey.
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99th_Monkey
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that’s 99th Monkey, thank you. Are you following me?
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ishii
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I’m only posting on the threads that interest me. It happens that you are posting there too. So are you a relativist or not?
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99th_Monkey
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I’m sorry, but I don’t even know what you are talking about. Please advise.
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Lion_IRC
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Do I have the right to practice my religion?
Am I allowed to exercise my religious conscientious objection to teachers in schools, teaching my daughter how homosexual men have intercourse?
Am I allowed to publically state/promote an opinion that homosexuality is unnatural? (Or that adultery is a sin?)
Can I legally refuse to share a public bathroom with transvestites? Transsexuals?
What shall my community do if their parish priest has his marriage licence revoked for refusing to “marry” homosexuals?
**And you say my culture isnt being destroyed? **
…by this culture <<< TRIGGER WARNING FOLSOM STREET FAIR (gay rights) GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH.
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Lion_IRC
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It’s rather ironic that the hedonistic, mammon-worshipping, media leaps on Francis’ comments that catholics dont "insist only" on issues like homosexuality, when the obvious truth is that we dont start the conversation. We dont go around looking for confontation with the SSM lobby.
They started it ! They pushed us! Not the other way around.
I never went looking for homosexual behaviour between consenting adults in the privacy of their home.
I never ‘‘caught them in the very act.’’
I never dragged them before Jesus and asked what the law demands and I never picked up a stone to throw because, as sinners, the person we should be throwing stones at is ourselves.
But when an ‘‘activist’’ gets all in my face and starts pushing their (ADULT) agenda in the boy scouts, in our schools, on kids televison shows…
YEP! THEN THEY HAVE MY ATTENTION !!!
They started it ! They pushed us! Not the other way around.
I never went looking for homosexual behaviour between consenting adults in the privacy of their home.
I never ‘‘caught them in the very act.’’
I never dragged them before Jesus and asked what the law demands and I never picked up a stone to throw because, as sinners, the person we should be throwing stones at is ourselves.
But when an ‘‘activist’’ gets all in my face and starts pushing their (ADULT) agenda in the boy scouts, in our schools, on kids televison shows…
YEP! THEN THEY HAVE MY ATTENTION !!!
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SMGS127
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So if I went to an S&M straight bar, and found a bunch of heterosexual people in S&M outfits, should I be allowed to criticize it as “heterosexual culture?” If I go to a strip club, should I be allowed to criticize that as “heterosexual culture?”
So why do you post pictures of “sex-positive” parade culture and claim its representative of “gay culture?” Why not post pictures from festivals instead, which are extraordinarily family-friendly and have nothing to do with the people who go to the parades. Is it really that hard to do a little bit of extra searching and find images like:
https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/s...744_10201590031180244_44652_1945_b.jpg&jq=100
But of course, I wouldn’t expect straight people to really know anything about LGBT culture except what they see on TV. Are you honestly interested in how LGBT people live their lives, or do you just want to prove a point, even if it isn’t true? If you’re honestly, interested, then I’d hope you see pictures like these and change your opinion. Stop judging your average gay person based on the crazy minority of people who make the media in parades!
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DianePa
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Now I will go of my way to buy Barilla pasta. 
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ishii
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I interpreted your post - “that’s what they said about Elvis” to be an affirmation of relativism: i.e. the idea that the people will challenge norms and the authorities, or conservatives will get up in arms - its all the same whether its 1956 or 2013. That there isn’t much difference between what Elvis was doing and what the coarse, depraved elements of our pop culture are doing.
If I have misinterpreted you, then feel free to explain what you meant.
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ishii
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That is a fair point.
However, I think much of the impression people have is due to the antics of “pride parades.” Given all the media attention given to those parades and what they do at those parades, it is no wonder why some might have an impression of gays as chiefly of that “sex-positive” culture. If most gays are not of that culture, then why don’t they speak out and disassociate themselves from that culture? And btw, the “sex positive” culture is not exclusive to the gay society - it also permeates much of “hetero society.” Our entire culture has lost its moorings.
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SMGS127
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Yes, I know that “sex positive” culture permeates a lot of heterosexual culture, especially third-wave feminist culture. The problem with your question about speaking out is: what news organization is going to carry a story about how some lowly normal gay person doesn’t like how gay people are characterized? How would that get ratings (for TV/radio), views (for Internet), or sells (for written media)?
For example, does the non-third-wave-feminist woman get a news story on any channel about how she thinks that there are actually differences between the genders? Probably not. Does airtime go to the woman who writes a shocking book about how she thinks that the terms ‘men’ and ‘women’ are social constructs with no reality or meaning? Probably, both to either congratulate her (for those on the far left) or abhor her work (most people). Does airtime go to the woman who writes a book about how women should be barred from careers completely, regardless of income, if they’ve ever been pregnant in their life? Probably, both to congratulate her (for those on the far right) or abhor her work (most people).
The same goes with gay people. Anyone deep in LGBT culture knows you go to festivals for clean, family fun, you go to parades if you want to strip in public (and believe me, this involves a lot more straight people than you’d expect), and you go to nightclubs if you want to hook up, get drunk, or just dance all night if you’re not into that scene.
Likewise, straight people know they go to strip clubs if they want to experience nudity, dance clubs if they want to hook up, get drunk, or dance, bars if they want to watch sports or enjoy a night out with friends, or family events like park events if they want to enjoy a nice day out. I don’t see why people think that parades are somehow the epitome of gay culture; they’re just the epitome of the extremes of gay culture, much like S&M bars are for the extremes of straight culture. I know that parades are obviously more public than S&M bars, but it’s the same principle.
This is why I always encourage those who honestly wish to help evangelize in the LGBT community to experience Pride festivals. They’re very peaceful, and people there don’t put up with the sex-positive crazy people who try to infiltrate it; LGBT people are just as family & children-conscious at events like this as anyone else. They’re also very respectful of the religious, which is something you’re also unlikely to find at sex-positive parades.
Just a thought, but as someone who used to be very into the LGBT scene, it pains me greatly to see such good people’s characters smeared by those who have never truly experienced LGBT culture, only a smattering of LGBT people (or sometimes no one at all) and the images they show on TV of shocking parades.
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Lion_IRC
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"Allowed" to criticise? Are you asking MY permission for free speech?
BTW - Criticism of homosexuality is being outlawed in many jurisdictions under hate speech laws.
I didnt post ANY pictures. AND I warned readers in advance that the Google link was to LGBTQI activism material which is posted by OTHER people.
Hold it pal! Are you going to contact the folk who attend the Folsom Street Fair and tell them they are NOT representative of “gay culture?”.
Go on. I dare you to take your No True Scot fallacy and see how they like your definition of inclusivity.
REALLY? Thats funny because the SSM trope we keep hearing is that “the majority” of society is in favor of it. How can straight people support something the LGBTQI “culture” wants if they have no proper understanding about gay culture? (That…all inclusive culture that thinks as one group - apart from the Folsom Street Fair gays. They arent included.) How can the millions of heterosexual relatives of gay people claim to know what their sons, brothers, nephews, uncles want in terms of “gay marriage” rights, when straight people dont know what being gay is like?
Yes. Thats why I pay close attention to the ways they are trying to erode the concept and structure of the heterosexual nuclear family about which my religion says…
Honor your mother and your father.
(Gay adoption makes a farce of this Commandment)
And thou shalt not commit adultery.
(Strangely, I dont hear the gay lobby EVER condemning sex outside marriage.)
I bolded and enlarged this on purpose because I want you to eventually realize the gross hypocrisy it contains.
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SMGS127
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I used the therm “allowed” to ask whether it was a fair accusation. I don’t make generalizations about hetero culture in the same way you do about gay culture.
Also, criticism of homosexuality is not being outlawed anywhere in the United States; this is a complete myth based on no rational argument except foreign cultures that don’t have religious protections. Antidiscrimination laws are fundamentally good things.
Sure, I’m very open with the absurdly radical <1% of gays who act like they’re doing what’s best for all other gay people, when in reality they’re not very well-liked in the gay community and viewed as giving gays a bad name. I tell them upfront that they’re crazy and radical, just as I tell people who are wrong about LGBT culture that they are wrong about LGBT culture.
The majority of people are in favor of gay “marriage” in the United States. You don’t have to be informed on issues in order to vote or have an opinion, as evidenced by our 90+% incumbency rate
.And also, having one or two relatives who are gay and who are extremely emotionally invested on your specific opinion of them is nothing the same as knowing random gay people and how they treat the religious in general that aren’t members of their family. Much as the religious work much harder to convert those who stray in their family, LGBT members work much harder at getting their religious family members to accept their sexual orientation, but leave non-family members alone to believe and express what they want.
Gays don’t see gay “marriage” or gay adoption as eroding any concept. Many of them aren’t even religious. Also, many religious gays & lesbians wait until “marriage” to have sex. They’re religious at less rates, so they don’t wait as long. Simple cause & effect. Without a religious background, it’s hard to justify waiting. I personally wouldn’t wait if sex wasn’t so religiously sacred.
Not really. Even if gays saw crazy Catholics on TV and judged all Catholics based on those crazy Catholics (which doesn’t really happen like the reverse happens), their moral injustice in doing so does not excuse the moral injustice of assuming behavior among gays that doesn’t exist.
Gay people, outside their sexual orientation & gay behavior, are just as moral as straights in the rest of their lives. And considering how much persecution they deal with on a daily basis, they tend to be much nicer as well. Again, this is a difference between knowing a family member and knowing a bunch of non family members.
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Prodigal_Son
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Well, I’ve certainly heard gay people attack the Catholic church quite viciously because of the priest scandals, judging the entire group (Catholics) on the basis of one small part (child abusers). It is always a tendency for both sides of an issue to distort in this way.Not really. Even if gays saw crazy Catholics on TV and judged all Catholics based on those crazy Catholics (which doesn’t really happen like the reverse happens), their moral injustice in doing so does not excuse the moral injustice of assuming behavior among gays that doesn’t exist.
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SMGS127
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Well I guess that much is true. Certainly, Dan Savage rather unfortunately loves to make pedophile jokes about Catholics & the Church. He tarred an otherwise good speech about the It Gets Better project with these jokes at my university last year, and he angered quite a few Catholics in the audience who went for the subject matter.
Is that a theme you heard a lot in the gay communities though? I hear it from the same radicals who push gender nonexistence theory, gender spectrum theory, gender mutability theory, third gender theory, etc. etc., but I didn’t really hear it a lot from the masses at festival events or support groups or even other Pride events. If your experience is different, I would like to know.
Either way, it shouldn’t be done on either side of the aisle. Gay people should not be viewed as people spending all day every day trying to put their junk on display, and the religious should not be viewed as overbearing you-know-whats that can’t get their own house straight and yet want to be involved in everyone else’s life. The MSM may want us to think that about both groups, but it isn’t true.
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Prodigal_Son
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I absolutely agree. As for what I’ve seen in the gay community, I don’t really spend much time in gay “in groups”; I just have a number of gay friends. I doubt gay “in groups” talk much about priest pedophiles in private, just as I know that Catholic “in groups” don’t tend to spend their social time together talking about gay pride parades.
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pnewton
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He was not a homosexual, though he did probably eat a lot of pasta.
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mommyof4
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It’s for 4 boxes.
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TMC
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You can do all of those things, and giving gay people equal rights does not stop you from doing any of them. It may be the case that the majority of society disagrees with you, but you can’t seriously believe you have a right to force people to accept your views. You are certainly entitled to express them in all the ways you list.
As to revoking clergy’s ability to marry people - what the heck are you talking about? No one is even suggesting such a thing.
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