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[livingwordunity]

It’s not arbitrary at all. The 10% (actually 11%) number is quoted above with source. The 2% number is as per the most recent US census. Both are sourced.

You are making up the rules as you go about who can have marriage redefined for them and who can not. It is all arbitrary. Is so-called “marriage equality” equal for all or is it not?

 

[SMGS127]

You are making up the rules as you go about who can have marriage redefined for them and who can not. It is all arbitrary. Is so-called “marriage equality” equal for all or is it not?

Dude, I’m Catholic. I’m opposed to gay “marriage.” Relax. I’m just not going to put up with slander of the LGBT community.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

OK, since y’all have been arguing about bisexuals…

I’m attracted to both men and women. By societal standards, this makes me a bisexual. Hi there!

I assure you I do not want a polygamous relationship, and I do not want to have sex with multiple people at the same time. And even if I did, I would have plenty of ability to restrain myself from doing so.

Please stop slandering bisexuals.

 

[SaintAugustine]

OK, since y’all have been arguing about bisexuals…

I’m attracted to both men and women. By societal standards, this makes me a bisexual. Hi there!

I assure you I do not want a polygamous relationship, and I do not want to have sex with multiple people at the same time. And even if I did, I would have plenty of ability to restrain myself from doing so.

Please stop slandering bisexuals.

11% of bisexuals do want multiple spouses. That is a higher percentage than the general public. Stop using the word “slander” improperly.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

11% of bisexuals do want multiple spouses. That is a higher percentage than the general public. Stop using the word “slander” improperly.

Surely more than 11% of straight men want multiple wives! So what awful things should we say about straight men?

 

[SMGS127]

11% of bisexuals do want multiple spouses. That is a higher percentage than the general public. Stop using the word “slander” improperly.

To be fair the term “polygamist” is misused. From my experience with the polygamist splinter community within the LGBT community (as opposed to polygamist Mormon splinters, for example), a much larger % of them have no interest to get married at all vs. the general population. This is more anecdotal, so you’re free to challenge me here, but this is my experience with the community. They want multiple partners, not necessarily multiple spouses. Still as radical, still immoral, but I figured I’d mention there is a slight difference. There’s a reason they usually just call themselves “poly” or “polyamorous.”

 

[SaintAugustine]

To be fair the term “polygamist” is misused. From my experience with the polygamist splinter community within the LGBT community (as opposed to polygamist Mormon splinters, for example), a much larger % of them have no interest to get married at all vs. the general population. This is more anecdotal, so you’re free to challenge me here, but this is my experience with the community. They want multiple partners, not necessarily multiple spouses. Still as radical, still immoral, but I figured I’d mention there is a slight difference. There’s a reason they usually just call themselves “poly” or “polyamorous.”

A distinction without a difference.

 

[SMGS127]

A distinction without a difference.

Arguing there is no difference is arguing there’s no difference to a gay person’s soul if they’re just sleeping with their same sex partner or attempting to “marry” them. There is a huge difference. There are certainly degrees to severities of mortal sins, even if they all cut us off from God.

 

[SaintAugustine]

Arguing there is no difference is arguing there’s no difference to a gay person’s soul if they’re just sleeping with their same sex partner or attempting to “marry” them. There is a huge difference. There are certainly degrees to severities of mortal sins, even if they all cut us off from God.

Multiple partners versus multiple spouses is a distinction without a difference.

 

[SMGS127]

Multiple partners versus multiple spouses is a distinction without a difference.

There’s no difference in terms of reality, since you can only be married to one person (though if you go into that marriage knowing you’ll bring in more people, it’s unlikely you’re married to anybody). But there’s still a difference to the person’s soul whether they’re mocking a Sacrament or just having immoral sexual/romantic behavior.

 

[SaintAugustine]

Surely more than 11% of straight men want multiple wives! So what awful things should we say about straight men?

Your statement makes no sense, and I haven’t said anything awful about anyone, as far as I can tell. I can apply my personal experience with polyamorous bisexuals in the same manner as you applied your anecdotal experience, can’t I? Or is your personal experience sacrosanct?

 

[Jeanne_S]

Arguing there is no difference is arguing there’s no difference to a gay person’s soul if they’re just sleeping with their same sex partner or attempting to “marry” them. There is a huge difference. There are certainly degrees to severities of mortal sins, even if they all cut us off from God.

Sorry,you are wrong in this line of thinking. I understand your empathy for the emotional and spiritual struggles of those withSSA. That doesn’t change the reality of the fact that acting on these impulses is sinful, the severity of that sin is not mitigated by two SS people getting married.
I know of a couple n my parish,parents of five grown children,the youngest of which is in a SSrelationship.These parents had to make the difficult decision to not attend thir son 's “wedding” .As a result of this they have a very strained relationship with him.Theyare deeply saddened by this situation,have explained to their son that they cannot risk their own souls by accepting his choice.
They basically told him that if he wanted to live as roommates with this other guy,w/o any sexual relationship,that would be acceptable.Right now he is very angry at them,wants their approval,which because of their love for God,Theybate unable to do.

 

[SMGS127]

Sorry,you are wrong in this line of thinking. I understand your empathy for the emotional and spiritual struggles of those withSSA. That doesn’t change the reality of the fact that acting on these impulses is sinful, the severity of that sin is not mitigated by two SS people getting married.
I know of a couple n my parish,parents of five grown children,the youngest of which is in a SSrelationship.These parents had to make the difficult decision to not attend thir son 's “wedding” .As a result of this they have a very strained relationship with him.Theyare deeply saddened by this situation,have explained to their son that they cannot risk their own souls by accepting his choice.
They basically told him that if he wanted to live as roommates with this other guy,w/o any sexual relationship,that would be acceptable.Right now he is very angry at them,wants their approval,which because of their love for God,Theybate unable to do.

I don’t understand where we’re disagreeing. I said that both acts (being in a relationship with a person of the same sex & attempting to “marry” someone of the same sex) were mortal sins. I merely said that entering into a gay “marriage” is a worse mortal sin. I don’t know why you thought I was arguing that the sin of a relationship is somehow mitigated. And yeah, I’ve had to decline one of my friend’s SS weddings too. Can’t imagine how hard it would be for a family member.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I don’t understand where we’re disagreeing. I said that both acts (being in a relationship with a person of the same sex & attempting to “marry” someone of the same sex) were mortal sins. I merely said that entering into a gay “marriage” is a worse mortal sin. I don’t know why you thought I was arguing that the sin of a relationship is somehow mitigated. And yeah, I’ve had to decline one of my friend’s SS weddings too. Can’t imagine how hard it would be for a family member.

Sorry,I misunderstood your post.

 

[SMGS127]

Sorry,I misunderstood your post.

It’s quite alright! You were polite even so, so I didn’t mind . Hope your Sunday is going well!

 

[Lion_IRC]

A) Transvestites don’t want to use the swimming pool changing rooms of the opposite sex. Transvestites are people who crossdress when they have sex to get off.

You are highlighting your own ignorance of transgender topics on which you presume to lecture others.
bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-09/transgender-6-year-olds-in-bathroom-spurs-repeal-effort.html

B) Transsexuals who use the opposing gender’s changing rooms before surgery are certainly radical. Even post-surgery it’s questionable, but then they wouldn’t be bothering anyone since no one would know.

Questionable? Radical? Thats very bigoted and intolerant of you. Why are you allowed to ‘slander’ their lifestyle?
They are every bit included in the LGBTQI cohort you feign tolerance of and purport to defend.

C) Bisexuals don’t want polygamy. Bisexuals can be attracted to members of either sex, but the vast majority of them are still monogamous.

So what? We are talking about discriminatory marriage laws which prevent MINORITIES from having their wishes. See how selective and hypocritical your position is?

D) Polygamists are radical.

Says YOU!
You judgemental bigot!

E) Same-sex couples don’t use IVF treatment. Gay men can’t use it, and lesbians use sperm donation via turkey baster injection .

False! (dont roll your eyes.)
“For same sex couples or individuals, IVF treatment with donor program is the only way they can create a family of their own.”
ivf.com.au/ivf-success-rates/ivf-success-stories/same-sex-couple

F) Same-sex couples who want taxpayer-funded IVF treatment for them are, quite frankly, insane since it’s not possible.

Do yourself a favor and read some transgender/gay advocacy literature. If governments provide medicare-style IVF treatment for heterosexual couples and deny that same tax payer funding for gay couples that is discrimination plain and simple.

You say “radical” and "insane" and “impossible” out of one side of your mouth and then claim others are ‘slandering’ the LGBTQI community when they rightly point out that two men cannot “have” a baby or get “married”.

 

[SMGS127]

You are highlighting your own ignorance of transgender topics on which you presume to lecture others.
bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-09/transgender-6-year-olds-in-bathroom-spurs-repeal-effort.html

Those are transsexual children; there is no such thing as a transvestite child. And I’m ignorant?

Questionable? Radical? Thats very bigoted and intolerant of you. Why are you allowed to ‘slander’ their lifestyle?
They are every bit included in the LGBTQI cohort you feign tolerance of and purport to defend.

Pre-surgical locker rooms? It might be more mainstream to support restrooms, but it’s certainly not mainstream to support pre-surgical transsexual people in areas with showers or where people otherwise get naked such as changing rooms. Children are somewhat of an exception to the community because they are barred from surgery until they are much older and have no say in the matter, but it doesn’t matter whether a girl is straight or lesbian; she’s going to be freaked out if she’s in a locker room with someone who doesn’t have her genitalia.

So what? We are talking about discriminatory marriage laws which prevent MINORITIES from having their wishes. See how selective and hypocritical your position is?

My position? Not really. The LGBT community’s position? Sure it’s hypocritical.

False! (dont roll your eyes.)
“For same sex couples or individuals, IVF treatment with donor program is the only way they can create a family of their own.”
ivf.com.au/ivf-success-rates/ivf-success-stories/same-sex-couple

Oh, WOW! An IVF website promotes itself as the top option for same-sex couples. That couldn’t possibly be motivated by their want for payment for services, right?

Almost all lesbians use the turkey baster method with either good friends’ donations or sperm banks. Gay men typically adopt or use surrogate mothers. It’s very rare for a gay family to use their life savings to use a service that is extremely expensive compared to the turkey baster method, which is essentially free.

Do yourself a favor and read some transgender/gay advocacy literature. If governments provide medicare-style IVF treatment for heterosexual couples and deny that same tax payer funding for gay couples that is discrimination plain and simple.

You don’t think I’ve read LGBT literature? What! Okay. And yeah it probably is discrimination, but IVF is gravely immoral either way and shouldn’t be funded by the government in any case.

You say “radical” and "insane" and “impossible” out of one side of your mouth and then claim others are ‘slandering’ the LGBTQI community when they rightly point out that two men cannot “have” a baby or get “married”.

No I said you were slandering the LGBT community by claiming they are, in any way, represented by those who parade around in immoral wear and essentially simulate public sex at parades.

See, here’s the thing. I’m a very devout Catholic who is pro-life, anti-SS’M,’ anti-contraception, anti-IVF, anti-cloning, etc. Your entire post has assumed that I go around waving rainbow flags demanding “marriage equality.” You’re so far gone in your assumptions of LGBT people that you can’t possibly comprehend that a lesbian would be celibate for Christ yet defend the good overall morals of people who, although stained by mortal sin, do a lot of good in the world. Consider your actions on this thread please.

 

[Elizium23]

What in the world is a same-sex individual? Is this some new permutation I’m not aware of?

 

[Lion_IRC]

What in the world is a same-sex individual? Is this some new permutation I’m not aware of?

I have never heard the term *’‘same-sex individual’’ *before.

 

[Elizium23]

Do you read what you post or do you just reel out the personal attacks without thought?