If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?

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EstesBob quoted this on another thread. I thought it needed to be posted on a thread of its own!

Heard a great line today…

If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?
 
I hate to sound like a dunce here but I don’t get it.🤷
 
"Sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV
Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In addition, correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including discharge and genital ulcer diseases. While the effect of condoms in preventing human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease.

"Discharge diseases, other than HIV
Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, can reduce the risk of transmission of gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis.

"Genital ulcer diseases and HPV infections
Genital ulcer diseases and HPV infections can occur in both male or female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. Correct and consistent use of latex condoms can reduce the risk of genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid only when the infected area or site of potential exposure is protected. While the effect of condoms in preventing human papillomavirus infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease."

“Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases”
Department of Health and Human Services
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
January 23, 2003

Is this funny to you? It might be a better idea to behave as if we know that we are all susceptible, and our children are susceptible as well.

marietta
 
condoms were not invented to prevent sexually transmitted disease. They were put on the market to circumvent pregnancy.

The OP and estesbob can see that, I can see that.

In fact, why not ask about the birth control pill? Exactly what is it claiming to control?
 
Talk about ‘not getting it’…

What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…

So if life begins at conception, there are more souls in limbo than in heaven, hell and purgatory combined.

To what purpose?
 
Talk about ‘not getting it’…

What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…

So if life begins at conception, there are more souls in limbo than in heaven, hell and purgatory combined.

To what purpose?
I used to ask what the purpose of the platypus was.

But, for me to have the audacity to ask what the purpose of a life God intended to be… simply because I see no value in it because a high percentage dont make it-

I can’t go that far. God intends things for reasons I don’t understand. Like why would he have chosen the time he did to come in the flesh to us? To what purpose?

Only He Knows
 
Talk about ‘not getting it’…

What the ‘life begins at conception’ crowd doesn’t get is that more than 50% of all fertilized human eggs fail to implant - naturally, not due to birth control devices…

So if life begins at conception, there are more souls in limbo than in heaven, hell and purgatory combined.

To what purpose?
Does this make it OK for man to presume to be the author of life? Only God is the author of life. If God has reasons we don’t understand, it doesn’t make him wrong, it makes our understanding flawed.

This is a strawman arguement, it makes no difference if 50% of fertilized eggs don’t implant… it is still wrong to prevent conception or implantation by chemical means.
 
This is a strawman arguement, it makes no difference if 50% of fertilized eggs don’t implant… it is still wrong to prevent conception or implantation by chemical means.
Yes, that is the moral position of the Catholic Church, but the thread isn’t to discuss Planned Parenthood’s morality, but rather to discuss what some see as hypocritical behavior. The question is asked: “Why does Planned Parenthood pass out condoms if not to prevent pregnancy aka life?” This question suggests that Planned Parenthood’s actions are contrary to its stated beliefs.

In this context the 50% failure to implant figure is relevant. If human personhood begins at conception (which Planned Parenthood would reject), then millions of babies are dying before they even have a chance to differentiate. The death rate from failure to implant is far higher than the abortion rate. If personhood begins at conception, then Catholics and all pro-lifers should be spending a lot of time and effort at finding ways to save those millions of lives - it should be a national research priority, a focus of national discussion. But we don’t hear about it.
 
  1. Does this make it OK for man to presume to be the author of life? Only God is the author of life. If God has reasons we don’t understand, it doesn’t make him wrong, it makes our understanding flawed.
  2. … it is still wrong to prevent conception or implantation by chemical means.
  1. Common sense ‘makes it OK’ for a couple to plan their family, to have the number of children they want and can afford.
Even the Church does not dispute this; the dispute involves which methods are morally acceptable.

While no method of family planning short of sterilization is 100% effective, barrier and chemical methods are certainly more reliable than those approved by the Church.

Another factor rarely mentioned, though I mentioned it in a previous thread, is that of geography and culture. In 8 years in Germany, I can’t remember the subject of the morality of birth control mentioned from the pulpit nor discussed in Catholic publications. It’s a non-issue. A former colleague of mine, who came to the USA from Ecuador, told me that he was amazed to learn that the Catholic Church in America condemned condom use. He said that in his native land abortion is strongly condemned, as here, but birth control encouraged, with no differentiation with regard to methods.
  1. Why is it wrong, by chemical or barrier means? And why, apart from Catholicism and ultra-Orthodox Judaism, does almost no one see it as wrong, but rather as responsible parenting?
 
“2. Why is it wrong, by chemical or barrier means? And why, apart from Catholicism and ultra-Orthodox Judaism, does almost no one see it as wrong, but rather as responsible parenting?”

If the whole world thought offering up baby sacrifices were correct, the Catholic Church would still condemn it.
What others do or dont do no matter how many- does not mean its the right way to do things.
 
The Catholic Church’s teachings on artificial birth control place every single Catholic couple, married or not, in a Catch 22 position. Sexual intercourse is supposed to be reserved for married couples only, and then should be used only in the spirit of procreation (the participants must be open to the possibility that conception may occur). Sexual activity is not for the exclusive pursuit of pleasure. The extremely narrow window for caring at all is called “The Marital Embrace”. Of course, unmarried couples cannot enter into “The Marital Embrace” because, well, they are not married. This makes their sexual activity, no matter how loving, no matter how committed, no matter what their plans for the immediate or long-term future, *and even no matter if they are attempting to conceive outside of *matrimonial bonds, sinful and unacceptable to God.

So even the Cirque de Soleil’s premier performer Anthony Gatto couldn’t juggle all the criteria for holiness required and still come up happy, joyous and free with relationships intact and grace abounding.

The Church says no barrier methods and no abortion. Natural Family Planning is acceptable but, there again, you had better be married in the Church, without a thought of lust, and only desiring on most days of the month to be intent on beginning a pregnancy. The span between my daughter’s last two periods was 82 days. She entered puberty at age 9, was wearing a DD cup at age 11, and has never had regular, timely periods. (No need to go into the list of doctors and procedures here; suffice it to say it has not gone under-investigated!) It’s a good thing she converted to another faith where the ridiculousness and the unreliability of Natural Family Planning has been eliminated.

So. We preach abstinence only. We squeeze into The Marital Embrace only when called upon by God to “go forth and multiply”. If we don’t choose to multiply, only NFP is acceptable. If we choose to take the wheel of our own reproductive lives, we may not bring unwanted children into the world (good) but we have sinned against God and will pay for it in Purgatory (very bad). Complete and adequate sex education is “nothing but an invitation to sin”. So we live our lives in the dark, marry without sexual experience, hope we learn how and when to “embrace” our partners, then touch them with forced spontaneity, and pass all this malarkey on to our kids.

No wonder there are so many ads on TV for solutions to erectile dysfunction. How many men out there are weighing out the sinfulness of their actions to the point that the “inspiration goes away”?

One more thing: a blastula is not a baby.

Condom UP!

marietta
 
Please be advised…I am 99.999% against abortion! SO, please consider that before you respond to anything I say. OK?

Is it possible…even just a little that people in “Planned Parenthood” are revolted and disgusted at the number of “abortions” that take place, and are even more disgusted and revolted by the number of people that are using abortion as a method of “birth control” instead of using “responsibility”?

Granted, the Church is against the use of “artificial birth control”, and it is considered a sin, however…considering the difference between the use of a “condom” and a later emotionally devastating abortion, which is murder, which may later have significant medical repercussions as well… Frankly, I would prefer on a moral and common sense level that a condom be used…if one is going to not be able to control their “desires”…

Condoms were initially created to prevent pregnancy. That’s all. But they have developed to a point where they are considered an effective barrier to certain STD’s, however, as anything else made by man…they are not foolproof! But in reality, which is the greater evil? Abortion or use of a condom?

The article at this link will attest to that…

cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm

I think every parent should make their children read it and maybe even memorize it. Yes, that’s right. Stop protecting the little dears from reality!! Parents need to quit putting their heads in the sand like Ostriches and start getting deeply involved in their kids lives. Kids may not like it, but TOUGH!! When they grow up and leave home, pay the rent and support themselves…then they can make their own rules. But the bottom line is: When living at home…its the parents rules, not the kids that count.

The whole issue on a secular level is a conundrum… but its really not that difficult to solve. I respect that Church’s stance on the issue as being right, however…the solution lies in a secular/religious vein. No one solution will work for all.

I am 58, and yet I can remember the sum total of the Birds and Bees discussion that my dad gave me: I quote: "IF YOU KNOCK UP A GIRL, I WILL BEAT YOU TO DEATH!!! He was most serious when he said it, and I believed he would. And my father was a “lukewarm convert” to Catholicism…he converted to marry my mother. But then again…when I became a teenager in the early 60’s… it was not at all “socially acceptable” for unmarried people to have sex, get pregnant, live together, or have children out of wedlock and flaunt raunchy lifestyles.

Yeah, I know…you can’t “threaten your kids”… BULL-HOCKEY!! I said the same thing to my son…and he knew I meant it.

Solving problems of these kinds are not solved at the “government level”…they are solved at home. The way to solve it is to begin at a young age with kids and teach them, train them in the right ways to do things. The way of the Church is excellent, and it really does coincide with what is “common-sensically” correct. Think about it… A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. We need to return to the values that our parents and grandparents embraced…

And prayer makes a difference as well.

Peace!
 
Send this question to Speaker Pelosi.😃
Why does it matter what a “politician” thinks? Is this not a matter of the “heart and conscience” of the individual?

If you care what a “politician” thinks on this level, then why not consult “Brittany Spears”…:eek:

Frankly, the “government” needs to shut up and stay out of our lives.
 
I agree, and plan to give my child that same talk. She is going to know that its not an option for her to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.
Please be advised…I am 99.999% against abortion! SO, please consider that before you respond to anything I say. OK?

Is it possible…even just a little that people in “Planned Parenthood” are revolted and disgusted at the number of “abortions” that take place, and are even more disgusted and revolted by the number of people that are using abortion as a method of “birth control” instead of using “responsibility”?

Granted, the Church is against the use of “artificial birth control”, and it is considered a sin, however…considering the difference between the use of a “condom” and a later emotionally devastating abortion, which is murder, which may later have significant medical repercussions as well… Frankly, I would prefer on a moral and common sense level that a condom be used…if one is going to not be able to control their “desires”…

Condoms were initially created to prevent pregnancy. That’s all. But they have developed to a point where they are considered an effective barrier to certain STD’s, however, as anything else made by man…they are not foolproof! But in reality, which is the greater evil? Abortion or use of a condom?

The article at this link will attest to that…

cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.htm

I think every parent should make their children read it and maybe even memorize it. Yes, that’s right. Stop protecting the little dears from reality!! Parents need to quit putting their heads in the sand like Ostriches and start getting deeply involved in their kids lives. Kids may not like it, but TOUGH!! When they grow up and leave home, pay the rent and support themselves…then they can make their own rules. But the bottom line is: When living at home…its the parents rules, not the kids that count.

The whole issue on a secular level is a conundrum… but its really not that difficult to solve. I respect that Church’s stance on the issue as being right, however…the solution lies in a secular/religious vein. No one solution will work for all.

I am 58, and yet I can remember the sum total of the Birds and Bees discussion that my dad gave me: I quote: "IF YOU KNOCK UP A GIRL, I WILL BEAT YOU TO DEATH!!! He was most serious when he said it, and I believed he would. And my father was a “lukewarm convert” to Catholicism…he converted to marry my mother. But then again…when I became a teenager in the early 60’s… it was not at all “socially acceptable” for unmarried people to have sex, get pregnant, live together, or have children out of wedlock and flaunt raunchy lifestyles.

Yeah, I know…you can’t “threaten your kids”… BULL-HOCKEY!! I said the same thing to my son…and he knew I meant it.

Solving problems of these kinds are not solved at the “government level”…they are solved at home. The way to solve it is to begin at a young age with kids and teach them, train them in the right ways to do things. The way of the Church is excellent, and it really does coincide with what is “common-sensically” correct. Think about it… A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step. We need to return to the values that our parents and grandparents embraced…

And prayer makes a difference as well.

Peace!
 
I agree, and plan to give my child that same talk. She is going to know that its not an option for her to experiment with her body with sex until she is married.
Please do…and redundantly.

One other thing that you might want point out to her…is that “promiscuity”…(other than ending up with a “trash” reputation, even if it is disguised as “popularity”…:rolleyes: ) leads to being somewhat “jaded” about the physical aspects of the relationship. That can make a difference in a relationship. Being “experienced” is not necessarily a “plus”…actually…its a drawback to some extent.

(My formal training is “Psyche”…)🙂
 
Here is a great short video snippet -

Sex before marriage, yeah it’s like that.
:eek:

I liked it! When she is old enough, I think that analogy will be great:thumbsup:

But for now, I am going to start in big with respecting your own body, its a temple, ect. Treat it with respect. God gave you this beauty to glorify him and not to abuse it.

Rob- I will be like a broken record player on this one. I think I will also have to get her to start a devotion to Mary (always virgin) and the females in the bible and saints who that are good role models this way. I don’t think there are a lot of married saints though.
 
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