If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?

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beeliner said:
You should have finished the quote. I said that if that were true, there would be more souls in limbo than in heaven, hell and purgatory (and I forgot to mention earth) combined.
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Once again, this means the pro-life camp fails to understand that many human beings are called by God in His good time how? And the obvious question. Should there be more people in (pick one) Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, or Limbo to make Planned Parenthood’s passing out of condoms make sense?
 
beeliner:

“When I close my bedroom door, the Church remains outside.”

mapleoak:

“No, you only think the Church remains outside.”

I wish the Church would get it together and clean out my bedroom closet.

This is just totally creepy. :nope:

marietta
 
marietta said:
beeliner:

“When I close my bedroom door, the Church remains outside.”

mapleoak:

“No, you only think the Church remains outside.”

I wish the Church would get it together and clean out my bedroom closet.

This is just totally creepy. :nope:

marietta
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A christian who is living a moral life, does not compartamentalize their faith, as its a living breathing faith. And, if you can’t form your conscience to it, don’t stay in it.

Beeliner, you do yourself no favors staying, if you truly believe you are smarter than the Church.
 
mapleoak said:
  1. Nope. According to the Bible, God wanted man to be ‘fruitful and multiply’. There is no mention of populating the earth. The directive still holds in the presense of a populated earth. BTW the earth has been populated from the beginning.
  2. No, you only think the Church remains outside.
  3. Don’t forget that the unitive and procreative aspects are inseparable.
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  1. My paraphrase.
  2. Oh, I am quite sure of it. But I will look under the bed tonight to be certain.
God is everywhere, but God never condemned responsible family planning.
  1. You are correct to some extent. But the unitive remains an important part of a marriage after the procreative is no longer possible. Nor does the Church, as far as I know, prohibit people who for one reason or another are incapable of begetting children from marrying and having normal sexual relations.
 
marietta said:
beeliner:

“When I close my bedroom door, the Church remains outside.”

mapleoak:

“No, you only think the Church remains outside.”

I wish the Church would get it together and clean out my bedroom closet.

This is just totally creepy. :nope:

marietta
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Yes it sure is creepy if one is trying to hide from the Church. Can’t be done. Denying the Church is a totally scary thing indeed. :yup:
 
beeliner said:
  1. My paraphrase.
  2. Oh, I am quite sure of it. But I will look under the bed tonight to be certain.
God is everywhere, but God never condemned responsible family planning.
  1. You are correct to some extent. But the unitive remains an important part of a marriage after the procreative is no longer possible. Nor does the Church, as far as I know, prohibit people who for one reason or another are incapable of begetting children from marrying and having normal sexual relations.
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I think you would be very wrong on that point sir.
 
notsmart said:
I think you would be very wrong on that point sir.
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Actually no, he is not wrong on that point. People who are infertile are not forbidden to marry in the Church, nor are we forbidden to have normal sexual relations.
 
notsmart said:
I think you would be very wrong on that point sir.
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I don’t think so, but if can provide a citation to the contrary, I’d like to see it.

I know several such couples, Catholic and non-Catholic.
 
SeekerJen said:
Actually no, he is not wrong on that point. People who are infertile are not forbidden to marry in the Church, nor are we forbidden to have normal sexual relations.
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I dont think so Seeker Jen, I will have to search Ask the Apologist again on this. I read several threads on this already.
 
beeliner said:
You are correct to some extent. But the unitive remains an important part of a marriage after the procreative is no longer possible. Nor does the Church, as far as I know, prohibit people who for one reason or another are incapable of begetting children from marrying and having normal sexual relations.
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The difference is that the procreative aspect can never be frustrated nor performed in such a manner as to prevent the possibilty of begetting life. The parents must always be ready to ‘pro-create’ with God if He so chooses to ‘pro-create’ with them at that time. It is not up to man.
 
beeliner said:
I don’t think so, but if can provide a citation to the contrary, I’d like to see it.

I know several such couples, Catholic and non-Catholic.
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Will do. I saw it first in Ask the Apologist. I also saw various threads in the search function that popped up under this topic.

I felt bad for the guy who could not have kids that wanted to get married. But, after I read the explaination, it made sense.🙂
 
SeekerJen said:
To answer the question: it’s a smart marketing move. Condoms have a pretty high failure rate, even if used correctly (often they are not). If PP gives out a condom and it fails, the likelihood that they’ve just gained another customer to shell out hundreds of dollars for an abortion increases drastically. :mad:
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Your Right!

Does contraception really prevent abortion?

there are three main reasons why the abortion industry needs contraception:
  1. The first is that the increase of contraceptive use increases the amount of promiscuity in a culture.
  2. All methods of contraception fail to prevent pregnancy a certain percentage of the time either through flaws in the method or through misuse.
  3. Contraception does not prevent abortion because contraception is, in many cases, a form of abortion.
MORE…

hli.org/contraception_prevent_abortion.html
marientta,

Regarding New York, Tokyo and Singapore. Your argument is irrelevant since I already included those numbers within the State of Texas. Therefore this is a very weak argument.

Also, nobody forces people to live in the city. Many people live in the city because they like interacting with many others.

PLAL
 
PLAL said:
Your Right!

Does contraception really prevent abortion?

there are three main reasons why the abortion industry needs contraception:
  1. The first is that the increase of contraceptive use increases the amount of promiscuity in a culture.
  2. All methods of contraception fail to prevent pregnancy a certain percentage of the time either through flaws in the method or through misuse.
  3. Contraception does not prevent abortion because contraception is, in many cases, a form of abortion.
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Ta Da! :dancing:

The Real Answer to the question and a truth that hurts. Why do so many play ignorant?
 
notsmart said:
  1. Sterilization is [an impediment to marriage in Catholicism].
  2. And, being sterilized, one is infertile.
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  1. No, I do not believe that you are correct there either.
  2. True. Glad we could agree on something!
 
notsmart said:
Sterilization is. And, being sterilized, one is infertile.
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Yes, it is a sin to have oneself sterilized. If the sin has been confessed and forgiven, however, the person can continue to engage in sexual relations with a spouse.

Some people are naturally infertile and many of them do not know it until after the wedding. The Church still considers those marriages valid. It also considers valid weddings in which the woman is post-menopausal.
 
SeekerJen said:
Exactly. Impotence is an impediment to marriage, but infertility is not. Otherwise post-menopausal women would never be able to marry.
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That is true, and that MAY be what the other poster had in mind; in fact, there was a very interesting thread active several months ago regarding whether the Church would prohibit an impotent person from contracting a civil marriage.
 
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