If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?

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Yes, it is a sin to have oneself sterilized. If the sin has been confessed and forgiven, however, the person can continue to engage in sexual relations with a spouse.

Some people are naturally infertile and many of them do not know it until after the wedding. The Church still considers those marriages valid. It also considers valid weddings in which the woman is post-menopausal.
No offense Seeker Jen, but I will do my best to find the link, because I think its a bit more restrictive than you say.

I have to search it out. Believe me, I was worried because I cant have anymore children. And, I want to be a catholic. So, I read and read about that one.
 
No offense Seeker Jen, but I will do my best to find the link, because I think its a bit more restrictive than you say.

I have to search it out. Believe me, I was worried because I cant have anymore children. And, I want to be a catholic. So, I read and read about that one.
I would be quite interested in reading the link. I’ve been a Catholic for 30 years now, have studied my faith extensively- especially as my husband and I have suffered through 4 years of infertility- and this is the very first time that I’ve ever heard of this. I’ll believe it if I see it from the Vatican.
 
Ta Da! :dancing:

The Real Answer to the question and a truth that hurts. Why do so many play ignorant?
I would surmise money, power, individuals place “pleasure” being more important than the life of the unborn/human embryo’s, politicians get big $$'s from the Pro-Abortion Industry, some people like to play God instead of listening to God, sin causes an uninformed conscience, lack of discussion on the topic from priests/bishops and ignorance to name a few reasons. I could go on and on.
 
"marientta [sic],

Regarding New York, Tokyo and Singapore. Your argument is irrelevant since I already included those numbers within the State of Texas. Therefore this is a very weak argument.
I’m unpacking the roman candles as we speak.

My intention is not to hide from the Church. I have a morbid interest in the way Catholics defend their faith - my posts are like kicking a body to see if it moves. Sometimes I agree with some of you on the issues, but on this subject here - and all of its tentacles - you can’t even agree among yourselves what your dogma is. And all of this stuff serves to give you license to take the focus off of yourselves and point the finger at others’ behaviors and choices. This is why I no longer subscribe to Catholicism. It seems judgment-heavy and wisdom-light. There are so many laws and rules and regulations and requirements that there is no room for love, as far as I can see.

Just know that this is the impression you give anyone you’re attempting to carry this very complex message to. The zealotry is a total turn-off. Sorry.

marietta
 
In what cases is contraception NOT a form of abortion?

marietta
Use of barrier methods (condoms, diaphragms, etc,) vs. use of methods that disrupt the uterine lining so that if an egg is fertilized, it cannot implant (the Pill, IUD, the patch, the ring, the morning-after pill).
 
I’m unpacking the roman candles as we speak.

My intention is not to hide from the Church. I have a morbid interest in the way Catholics defend their faith - my posts are like kicking a body to see if it moves. Sometimes I agree with some of you on the issues, but on this subject here - and all of its tentacles - you can’t even agree among yourselves what your dogma is. And all of this stuff serves to give you license to take the focus off of yourselves and point the finger at others’ behaviors and choices. This is why I no longer subscribe to Catholicism. It seems judgment-heavy and wisdom-light. There are so many laws and rules and regulations and requirements that there is no room for love, as far as I can see.

Just know that this is the impression you give anyone you’re attempting to carry this very complex message to. The zealotry is a total turn-off. Sorry.

marietta
marietta,

You should pray over your decision and ask God to lead you in the right direction.

It’s not important what rules you want to follow. What’s important is what God wants for you.

Many of what outsiders see as rules are really given to us by God for our own benefit.

For myself sometimes things are hard to understand until I ask God to intervene and help me to understand His Ways.

Thank You.

PLAL
 
I would be quite interested in reading the link. I’ve been a Catholic for 30 years now, have studied my faith extensively- especially as my husband and I have suffered through 4 years of infertility- and this is the very first time that I’ve ever heard of this. I’ll believe it if I see it from the Vatican.
Thats fine, in the meantime give me backup of your claims from church sources.

Thank you:)
 
Thats fine, in the meantime give me backup of your claims from church sources.

Thank you:)
From Donum Vitae, from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:
On the part of the spouses, the desire for a child is natural: it expresses the vocation to fatherhood and motherhood inscribed in conjugal love. This desire can be even stronger if the couple is affected by sterility which appears incurable. Nevertheless, marriage does not confer upon the spouses the right to have a child, but only the right to perform those natural acts which are ordered to procreation.
Nevertheless, whatever its cause or prognosis, sterility is certainly a difficult trial. The community of believers is called to shed light upon and support the suffering of those who are unable to fulfill their legitimate aspiration to motherhood and fatherhood. Spouses who find themselves in this sad situation are called to find in it an opportunity for sharing in a particular way in the Lord’s cross, the source of spiritual fruitfulness. Sterile couples must not forget that “even when procreation is not possible, conjugal life does not for this reason lose its value. Physical sterility in fact can be for spouses the occasion for other important services in the life of the human person, for example adoption, various forms of educational work, and assistance to other families and to poor or handicapped children.”
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly headed by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (currently our Pope Benedict XVI) did not consider sterility to be an impediment to normal sexual relations in a Catholic marriage.
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church, article 1654 (link to Vatican website):
Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice.
 
From Church Canon Law, article 1084:
§1. Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have intercourse, whether on the part of the man or the woman, whether absolute or relative, nullifies marriage by its very nature.
§2. If the impediment of impotence is doubtful, whether by a doubt about the law or a doubt about a fact, a marriage must not be impeded nor, while the doubt remains, declared null.
§3. Sterility neither prohibits nor nullifies marriage, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 1098.
Canon 1098 is important because if the infertile spouse knew this before the wedding and failed to disclose it, this is a problem. Whether or not it would result in a declaration of null sacrament would probably depend on the situation, but either way it is a breach of trust.

Canon 1098:
A person contracts invalidly who enters into a marriage deceived by malice, perpetrated to obtain consent, concerning some quality of the other partner which by its very nature can gravely disturb the partnership of conjugal life.
 
Here it looks like the persons are ALREADY married.

Can you show me how its okay to ENTER into marriage with a problem of not being able to procreate?

Thank you Seeker Jen!
See post 91, quotes from Canon Law that clearly state that sterility is not an impediment to marriage.
 
Use of barrier methods (condoms, diaphragms, etc,) vs. use of methods that disrupt the uterine lining so that if an egg is fertilized, it cannot implant (the Pill, IUD, the patch, the ring, the morning-after pill).
And yet the Catholic Church prohibits the use of barrier methods. I see no reasoning in this. I have read all about the intent of the sexual participants, the so-called Marital Embrace, the openness to conception, etc., etc. It seems to me that the Church holds each and every reliable method of birth control in total contempt. It is my understanding that a good number of American Catholics disagree with this Church teaching, as well as Catholics from many other countries. And because condoms can reduce the number of cases of infectious diseases being spread through sexual activity, how is that a bad thing?

Maybe God just wants some of us to kill ourselves through syphilis and HIV/AIDS - for every 1,000 who die, it gives room for 1,000 new babies on the planet. The trade-off makes pathetic sense to me.

marietta
 
God does not want anyone to die. He did not tell anyone to have premarital casual sex.
And yet the Catholic Church prohibits the use of barrier methods. I see no reasoning in this. I have read all about the intent of the sexual participants, the so-called Marital Embrace, the openness to conception, etc., etc. It seems to me that the Church holds each and every reliable method of birth control in total contempt. It is my understanding that a good number of American Catholics disagree with this Church teaching, as well as Catholics from many other countries. And because condoms can reduce the number of cases of infectious diseases being spread through sexual activity, how is that a bad thing?

Maybe God just wants some of us to kill ourselves through syphilis and HIV/AIDS - for every 1,000 who die, it gives room for 1,000 new babies on the planet. The trade-off makes pathetic sense to me.

marietta
 
God does not want anyone to die. He did not tell anyone to have premarital casual sex.
The spread of sexually transmitted diseases is not limited to single people, engaged people, or just casual pals engaging in sex. It does occur in marriages; yes, even in Catholic marriages.

God wants everyone to die - how else are we to join him in the Hereafter?

marietta
 
The spread of sexually transmitted diseases is not limited to single people, engaged people, or just casual pals engaging in sex. It does occur in marriages; yes, even in Catholic marriages.

God wants everyone to die - how else are we to join him in the Hereafter?

marietta
Oh, yes, you are right. Diseases like that can happen, but aside from transfusion, rape, or infidelity, (or being born from a woman with it) or some other way- what do you think the normal and most common way is this comes about? And, where did it start? How?

Yes, we die even when we are alive to our passions, if we carry our cross here on earth, and yes- death is temporal.👍
 
Can you show me how its okay to ENTER into marriage with a problem of not being able to procreate?
As others may have already said…the problem of not being able to procreate is not the obstacle in and of itself. It would be a problem if misrepresentation either via a lie or a failure to inform the prospective spouse of this fact occurred.
 
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