If one has faith in Christ why should they join (or return to) the RCC?

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PRmerger said:
In the sense that Jesus is the Trinity, yes He did. But He, Jesus the Word made Flesh, did not speak until the Incarnation.
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Hi PR
What is the Roman Catholic view on Genesis 18 (the three visitors)?
If you are not familiar with this chapter God appears to Abraham as a man with two angels at His side.

Jesus even said that Abraham saw Him.
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day;** he saw it** and was glad.
John 8:56
 
PRmerger said:
Which Holy Spirit do you mean, lookaround? (Yes, I am being a bit coy with this question, but bear with me.)
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“But when he, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will teach you all the truth.” *John 16:13
Most non-Catholic sects declare that the Holy Spirit is “teaching” them the truth. However, there can be only one truth. Since the advent of Sola Scriptura and individual interpretation of Scripture, how can the Holy Spirit be in each of the thousands of sects, teaching all of them opposing viewpoints? It is to be noted that all of the following denominations teach from the same Bible, so why the differences in teaching?
  1. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
  2. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
  3. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh-Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
  4. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
  5. How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, “once saved always saved”, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
  6. How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
  7. How can the Holy Spirit tell Mormons that the Holy Trinity is three separate persons, and then tell Methodists the Trinity is three persons in one GOD? home.inreach.com/bstanley/reform.htm
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You view Mormonism as a Christians religion?

Anyway, all churches can have some level of error because all churches are made up of some level of people.

btw do Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit is God (the third person of the trinity)? When you said, “which Holy Spirit” it sounds like you believe that the Holy Spirit is not a person but one of several spiritual “powers”.
 
PRmerger said:
This is kind of important to me, lookaround. Could you answer the question above? Especially the bolded part? You can answer for yourself, as well.

Thanks!
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Don’t know, you should ask him 😛
But as for why do I recognize the scriptures as true the reason is because I believe they are from God.
 
onenow1 said:
Martin Luther and Henry the Vlll : Lookaround, just a cursory look at history has to be an eye opener for many ! Martin started by rejecting some of the teachings of the Church and ended up rejecting its authority. In a like manner, Henry did the same, setting himself up as the head of the church ! rejection of authority!
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While I have respect for Martin Luther as a man who stood up for what he saw as wrong. I am not a Lutheran or an Episcopalian (sorry)
 
lookaround said:
If I am understanding that correctly one must be Roman Catholic to enter heaven?
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MUST? If you mean “formal member of the Catholic Church here on Earth”. Then No. But it certainly helps quite a bit.

Chuck
 
lookaround said:
This is kind of important to me.
Do Catholics believe that Jesus spoke to Abraham?
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Well this Catholic would have to say: Yes, No and Maybe.

God certainly spoke to Abraham.

God Father, Son and Holy Spirit are co-eternal and of the same essence.

So Yes “Christ” spoke to Abraham.

From a Human perspective, the Word of God had not yet become Incarnate, so No the “Man” we know as Christ did not speak to Abraham.

The Word of God could certain have Chosen, as the 2nd person of the Trinity, to appear to Abraham any way He saw fit: so Maybe.

Chuck
 
lookaround said:
Don’t know, you should ask him 😛
But as for why do I recognize the scriptures as true the reason is because I believe they are from God.
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That, and the fact that you received them from the Catholic Church, from whence they originated and were handed down to subsequent generations!
 
lookaround said:
Hi PR
What is the Roman Catholic view on Genesis 18 (the three visitors)?
If you are not familiar with this chapter God appears to Abraham as a man with two angels at His side.

Jesus even said that Abraham saw Him.
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day;** he saw it** and was glad.
John 8:56
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Hi, lookaround.

Catholics interpret Genesis 18 the same as you have. God is one of the three men. In Genesis 19:1 it is revealed that two angels (on their way to Sodom) accompanied Him. The three men presents an imagery of the Trinity, which is defined better by Christ later as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The last verse where God banters a bit with Sarah is one of the more humorous bits of Scripture, in my opinion.
1 The LORD appeared to Abraham by the terebinth of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot.
2 Looking up, he saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; and bowing to the ground,
3 he said: “Sir, if I may ask you this favor, please do not go on past your servant.
4 Let some water be brought, that you may bathe your feet, and then rest yourselves under the tree.
5 Now that you have come this close to your servant, let me bring you a little food, that you may refresh yourselves; and afterward you may go on your way.” “Very well,” they replied, “do as you have said.”
6 Abraham hastened into the tent and told Sarah, “Quick, three seahs of fine flour! Knead it and make rolls.”
7 He ran to the herd, picked out a tender, choice steer, and gave it to a servant, who quickly prepared it.
8 Then he got some curds and milk, as well as the steer that had been prepared, and set these before them; and he waited on them under the tree while they ate.
9 “Where is your wife Sarah?” they asked him. “There in the tent,” he replied.
10 One of them said, “I will surely return to you about this time next year, and Sarah will then have a son.” Sarah was listening at the entrance of the tent, just behind him.
11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years, and Sarah had stopped having her womanly periods.
12 So Sarah laughed to herself and said, “Now that I am so withered and my husband is so old, am I still to have sexual pleasure?”
13 But the LORD said to Abraham: “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Shall I really bear a child, old as I am?’
14 Is anything too marvelous for the LORD to do? At the appointed time, about this time next year, I will return to you, and Sarah will have a son.”
15 Because she was afraid, Sarah dissembled, saying, “I didn’t laugh.” But he said, “Yes you did.”
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lookaround said:
While I have respect for Martin Luther as a man who stood up for what he saw as wrong. I am not a Lutheran or an Episcopalian (sorry)
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It doesn’t really matter what faith tradition you are lookaround, Catholic, Methodist etc.
The Catholic Christian Church was the only one around before the revolt. The point was disobedience to authority appointed by God. Each generation succeeding Martins and Henery’s time, set the example for future generations. The result is plainly seen with so many vieing for members. It was called, wrongly the age of enlightenment.

God Bless:
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lookaround said:
Don’t know, you should ask him 😛
But as for why do I recognize the scriptures as true the reason is because I believe they are from God.
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Ok. So think about that. You’re assuming something, not found in Scripture, based upon a tradition. *Someone *said that the Gospel of Matthew is from God, but ***you read that nowhere in Scripture. ***
 
lookaround said:
Don’t know, you should ask him 😛
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That is quite curious, lookaround, that you do not know a basic tenet about your pastor’s beliefs.

If you don’t know what your pastor’s beliefs are on this issue, how can you believe him when he preaches on the Gospel of Matthew?
 
lookaround said:
Are you saying I and other don’t have faith in Jesus?
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No, I am in no position to judge your soul, which is based upon your faith. I am stating that the Christian Faith would lead one to study the “words” of JESUS, and that it is a paradox to declare a faith in JESUS, but not accept HIS words. HIS church was formed as describe in Matthew 16 in HIS own words. The leadership of HIS church was declared in HIS own words. And HIS Church can be traced unbroken from that moment in time until today, and it is the Catholic Church.
Therefore, as one grows in their faith, they must reach their own moment in time when they either embrace and accept JESUS words, as true and embrace that truth which is found fully and completely within the Catholic Church.
 
PRmerger said:
Ok. So think about that. You’re assuming something, not found in Scripture, based upon a tradition. *Someone *said that the Gospel of Matthew is from God, but ***you read that nowhere in Scripture. ***
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correct 👍
I agree that the Gospel of Mathew is from God. Not because the “person” who said it said it, but because I agree.

Example: Jeff says, “the sky is blue”; to which I agree. Not because Jeff said “the sky is blue” but because I recognize the sky as blue.
 
lookaround said:
correct 👍
I agree that the Gospel of Mathew is from God. Not because the “person” who said it said it, but because I agree.
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You agree with the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church, then, that discerned that the Gospel of Matthew was theopneustos but the Gospel of Phillip was not?

There is no other way for you to know that the Gospel of Matthew is from God, except by the authority of the CC.

IOW, just because something says it’s inspired does not make it so. (Not that the Gospel of Matthew does even that.)

You need an outside authority, an infallible authority at that, to discern this.

To say, “I know what’s in the Bible because it’s inspired” and “I know what’s inspired because it’s in the Bible” is, clearly, circular, nonsensical thinking.

It’s only from Tradition that you know what’s God’s Message.
 
lookaround said:
correct 👍
I agree that the Gospel of Mathew is from God. Not because the “person” who said it said it, but because I agree.QUOTE]

There’s a slight problem in my mind lookaround, may I ask by what authority you agree ?

God Bless
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