If the Catholic Church is wrong, which non-Catholic denomination is right?

[gurneyhalleck1]

Next you are going to say that it doesn’t matter because the Roman Catholic church wrote the Scriptures.

No one has ever said the RCC wrote the scriptures. It was the Catholic Church including the East and West that agreed on what was inspired, canonical, and to be included in the final product. The Church as a whole united Catholic Faith was the editor in chief, not the author. The author is God Himself inspiring men and allowing His Church to make sure only the truth was gathered, casting out Gnostic ‘gospels’ and other such silliness.

Hey, those gnostics, they had women priests! Sounds familiar!

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

The Bible is a Roman Catholic book? then why did they try to keep it away from R.C. laymen for so many years backin the day? if they produced it they should have been so proud that you,d think they would have given it away instead of keeping it under lock and key! maybe they were afraid of something,interesting.

This is a common and silly allegation. During the Middle Ages almost every “layman” as you put it was ILLITERATE!! Tough to read something when you can’t read! Secondly the printing press didn’t really get invented until late into the middle ages. It was expensive to mass-produce Bibles.

Maybe the Church was afraid that guys like Luther would add words like “alone” to statements from scripture like “for we are justified by faith.” They were smart to fear such tampering! And maybe you should define “back in the day?”

Perhaps you should consider what the Catholic Church DID for literature and the Bible instead of what they withheld? You do realize that the Church preserved countless literary works of the classical age of Greece and Rome from Homer to Cicero to Plato and on and on…plus they kept the Bible in its entirety with apocrypha, not butchered like King James’ version. The Catholic Church single-handedly protected countless literary treasures and we owe them a debt for that, not pot-shots.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Perhaps we are all wrong. We are all sinners, not only in our actions but in our beliefs. We all distort the Gospel to some extent, but God acts through our distortions anyway.

This is the only feasible Protestant position, as far as I can see. Why are Catholic apologists so slow to address it?

Edwin

Textbook moral relativism…we’re all wrong so just believe different things with different people, no hang-ups man, just have your truth and I’ll have my truth. Boy Pope Benedict XVI is spot on when he identifies moral relativism as a social disease. Christ gave us a Church, promised to protect it from the gates of hell, promised to guide us to all truth, gave Peter the Keys, instituted a Priesthood in the upper room, and left a deposit of faith and tradition and inspiration with his apostles through Pentecost and his time amongst them. I’ll stick with Catholicism…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

laugh now, because you won’t be laughing later. (1 Corinthians 3)

This sounds like somebody judging another person’s salvation as doomed? It almost sounds like they’re so sure of their own knowledge of God that the other person has no hope? hmmmm How do you know where this guy is going after death and who will be laughing? disturbing stuff…

 

[JRKH]

What name should I be?

My Friend,
I would appreciate it if you can forget my outburst at you last night.
Please forgive a short tempered old f@rt.
I wish nothing more than for you to remain “ChristianKnight” and to continue your journey with us and growing in the Love of Christ and Knowledge of His Will in your Life.

Yours Humbly
James

 

[Contarini]

Textbook moral relativism

It has nothing to do with moral relativism.

we’re all wrong

To a moral relativist, the statement “we’re all wrong” would be meaningless. My statement assumes that there is in fact an absolute standard, otherwise we couldn’t be falling short of it. To borrow a metaphor from Chesterton, saying that no one lives at the North Pole is not the same thing as saying that there is no North Pole.

I’ll stick with Catholicism…

As I think you know from the private exchanges we had a while ago, I’m very happy that you have decided to do this.

Edwin

 

[Jimmy_B]

Whether you are a Catholic or not, I suggest that you take a look at EWTN, if it is available in your area.

Here is the internet link for EWTN.

I say this, because there is information provided on many of the shows there that all Christians will find insightful.

I watch other Christian Channels from time to time and the History Channel, whenever they have a show that is discussing any aspect Christianity,

However, I view these shows, in the context of my Catholic beliefs. I disagree with much of the comments and opinions expressed on theses shows but, from time-to-time, there are opinions expressed which do not in conflict with Catholic doctrine and are very insightful.

I am not afraid to hear the opinions of others… for, four reasons.

One, I am secure in my own Catholic faith.

Two, I know that God works in mysterious ways.

Three, I have learned more a about my non-Catholic Christian brothers and sisters and their denominations this way.

Finally, Four, I know that, whatever is true and good, will always represent truth and goodness, because truth and goodness never changes, regardless the source.… and one never knows where he might find the next little golden nugget of Christian truth.

I study other religions, Christian denominations, and their beliefs, so that I can become a better Catholic.

Peace

 

[Jimmy_B]

The RCC is not perfect, and Catholics aren’t perfect, neither are Protestants or Protestant churches.

Hello ChristianKnight,

On the issues of Faith and Morals the Catholic Church, the Magisterium and the Pope are Infallible!

So, when it comes down to the things that matter, the Catholic Church is perfect.

Peace

 

[pismopal]

Hmm. I’d say that if anyone tries to mandate what one believes, it would be the Roman Catholic church.

Mandate? The Church doesn’t mandate to you or anyone else…if you don’t want to be a Catholic, that is your decision. If you make a decision to be a Catholic, the Church has not mandated anything.
With all due respect… you are confused.

 

[universalist]

so when priests molested and ruined the lives of their own young parishioners and then Bishops covered it up protecting the R.C. churches reputation and not giving a darn about the victims, were these folks displaying infallible faith and morals of the roman catholic church? aren,t they god,s represenatives of the so called “ONE TRUE CHURCH”?weren,t the bishops part of the magesterium? in apostolic succession? as someone who grew up with 2 people ruined by a priests molestation,the b.s. about the R.C.,s infallibility in moral matters is ridiculous to me!

 

[Jimmy_B]

so when priests molested and ruined the lives of their own young parishioners and then Bishops covered it up protecting the R.C. churches reputation and not giving a darn about the victims, were these folks displaying infallible faith and morals of the roman catholic church? aren,t they god,s represenatives of the so called “ONE TRUE CHURCH”?weren,t the bishops part of the magesterium? in apostolic succession? as someone who grew up with 2 people ruined by a priests molestation,the b.s. about the R.C.,s infallibility in moral matters is ridiculous to me!

Whenever, any organization draws their members from the human race, there will be those who sin, break the rules and violate the law.

These actions, by a few rouge members, who, by their actions, betray the other members and the organization as a whole, do not represent the members or that particular organization.

Although, I does give ammunition for those enemies of the organization, to exploit and mischaracterize and to promote, or move forward their own personal agenda.

Is that what your goal is here, to exploit an already terrible and tragic situation, for personal gain and promote your own personal agenda?

Might I suggest a career in journalism?

My thoughts and prayers are with all of the victims and with their families.

That’s all I have to say on this matter.

 

[ChristianKnight]

Hello ChristianKnight,

On the issues of Faith and Morals the Catholic Church, the Magisterium and the Pope are Infallible!

So, when it comes down to the things that matter, the Catholic Church is perfect.

Peace

HAHA, yes, The Crusades were perfect, The Inquisition perfect, Mass-Murder of the Templar Order perfect. I am sure Jesus would kill millions, your right, the RCC is perfect. I am sorry for ever doubting it…

My Friend,
I would appreciate it if you can forget my outburst at you last night.
Please forgive a short tempered old f@rt.
I wish nothing more than for you to remain “ChristianKnight” and to continue your journey with us and growing in the Love of Christ and Knowledge of His Will in your Life.

Yours Humbly
James

umk.

 

[fbl9]

hi Christian Knght…in your last post you used the word millions care to expound on that…

 

[ChristianKnight]

Sorry, meant thousands.

 

[fbl9]

Sorry, meant thousands.

speaking of the crusades just what is your gov’t doing supporting Isreal with weapons,and such? and it is fully backed by many pastors outside of the Church.
do not try to discount the influnce certain christian groups have in your gov’t system.
it would be intersting if only members of the baptist church formed the gov’t(meaning that only baptists where in all the elected offices)…ponder that for a while.especailly when you think of the inquisition.
earlier you mentioned that you know the catholic comunion,
well not really… you know about it but you don’t really KNOW it.

 

[ChristianKnight]

speaking of the crusades just what is your gov’t doing supporting Isreal with weapons,and such? and it is fully backed by many pastors outside of the Church.
do not try to discount the influnce certain christian groups have in your gov’t system.
it would be intersting if only members of the baptist church formed the gov’t(meaning that only baptists where in all the elected offices)…ponder that for a while.especailly when you think of the inquisition.
earlier you mentioned that you know the catholic comunion,
well not really… you know about it but you don’t really KNOW it.

Comparing 1 bad thing to another doesn’t erase the first one

What is wrong with Baptists being in office? That would never happen cause America doesn’t allow one religion over the other. That is what we call freedom.

 

[fbl9]

Comparing 1 bad thing to another doesn’t erase the first one

What is wrong with Baptists being in office? That would never happen cause America doesn’t allow one religion over the other. That is what we call freedom.

and it sure doesn’t make the second one right either.
honestly you think that if that were to happen that those in power would not use this power to create laws based on their beliefs…
anolagy:traitors of your country are punished with the death penalty(not sure if it still is law but if it still is)…new law made “it is against the law to sell adult magazines,to do so undermines the fabric of our society,which is a crime against the country”…Geoprge is caught selling the aforementioned objects,Geoprge is then sentenced to death as a traitor to the country…that is how i understand how the inquisitions where used by the gov’t of the times.

 

[Rolltide]

HAHA, yes, The Crusades were perfect, The Inquisition perfect, Mass-Murder of the Templar Order perfect. I am sure Jesus would kill millions, your right, the RCC is perfect. I am sorry for ever doubting it…

The Crusades were not perfect. There were many abuses on both sides (as there are in any war), and they were generally the result of the secular leaders in charge. All the pope did was ask Christians to assist the Byzantine Empire. It was the princes and kings of Europe that led the fighting.

The Inquisition was far from perfect, but LESS corrupt than the corresponding secular justice of the time.

The destruction of the Knights Templar was the result of the French misleading the Church. If a man is framed by his enemy for a crime, and thrown in prison by an American jury, is it the fault of the jury, or the fault of his enemy? Likewise, if the Templars were innocent, but the evidence was falsified by the French, who is at fault?

The Catholic Church is far from perfect, except in the area of doctrine. That IS protected from error by the Holy Spirit. In all other matters, the Catholic Church is fallible. This is what you would expect from a church run by humans, and this is clearly described time and time and time again in the Bible. Jesus Himself condemned the corrupt Pharisees and Sadducees, and yet, he was still Jewish!!! He followed ALL of the Jewish law, went to the synagogue, and preached the legitimacy of the institution, even though it had flawed members. “I did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it!”

 

[ChristianKnight]

and it sure doesn’t make the second one right either.
honestly you think that if that were to happen that those in power would not use this power to create laws based on their beliefs…
anolagy:traitors of your country are punished with the death penalty(not sure if it still is law but if it still is)…new law made “it is against the law to sell adult magazines,to do so undermines the fabric of our society,which is a crime against the country”…Geoprge is caught selling the aforementioned objects,Geoprge is then sentenced to death as a traitor to the country…that is how i understand how the inquisitions where used by the gov’t of the times.

Are you really? Traitors usually get sent to prison, I am pretty sure they would get sent to the Bay, you actually compare killing a traitor to killing people for religion?

The Crusades were not perfect. There were many abuses on both sides (as there are in any war), and they were generally the result of the secular leaders in charge. All the pope did was ask Christians to assist the Byzantine Empire. It was the princes and kings of Europe that led the fighting.

The Inquisition was far from perfect, but LESS corrupt than the corresponding secular justice of the time.

The destruction of the Knights Templar was the result of the French misleading the Church. If a man is framed by his enemy for a crime, and thrown in prison by an American jury, is it the fault of the jury, or the fault of his enemy? Likewise, if the Templars were innocent, but the evidence was falsified by the French, who is at fault?

The Catholic Church is far from perfect, except in the area of doctrine. That IS protected from error by the Holy Spirit. In all other matters, the Catholic Church is fallible. This is what you would expect from a church run by humans, and this is clearly described time and time and time again in the Bible. Jesus Himself condemned the corrupt Pharisees and Sadducees, and yet, he was still Jewish!!! He followed ALL of the Jewish law, went to the synagogue, and preached the legitimacy of the institution, even though it had flawed members. “I did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it!”

lol? He asked them to fight for God, not just to defend the Byzantine Empire. He got them jacked up and let them loose.

Dude you cannot compare them to other evils and say they are fine or even halfway fine. They tortured people for reasons that are insane, or no reason at all.

It doesn’t matter, the French might have been the ones that convinced the Church to do it, but they still had people murdered, and Jesus said thats wrong.

 

[pismopal]

so when priests molested and ruined the lives of their own young parishioners and then Bishops covered it up protecting the R.C. churches reputation and not giving a darn about the victims, were these folks displaying infallible faith and morals of the roman catholic church? aren,t they god,s represenatives of the so called “ONE TRUE CHURCH”?weren,t the bishops part of the magesterium? in apostolic succession? as someone who grew up with 2 people ruined by a priests molestation,the b.s. about the R.C.,s infallibility in moral matters is ridiculous to me!

Wow…if this isn’t a case for the pursuit of higher education…nothing is. Always start and finish your post before you start drinking sir.