If the Catholic Church is wrong, which non-Catholic denomination is right?

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Are you really? Traitors usually get sent to prison, I am pretty sure they would get sent to the Bay, you actually compare killing a traitor to killing people for religion? :confused:
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reread the post ck in the anolaogy it was a crime against the country to sell the mags,and the law of the country is to put traitors to death.honestly you are not even trying to see what is being presented sometimes…in your country traitors where put to death at one time…if there was an all baptist gov’t there would be a law such as i made up…and if Geoprge was caught he would be sentenced under that law,as it is now the law puts traitors in jail for life then that’s what would happen to Geoprge…
in the times of the inqusistion that’s what one was a traitor dude.
 
reread the post ck in the anolaogy it was a crime against the country to sell the mags,and the law of the country is to put traitors to death.honestly you are not even trying to see what is being presented sometimes…in your country traitors where put to death at one time…if there was an all baptist gov’t there would be a law such as i made up…and if Geoprge was caught he would be sentenced under that law,as it is now the law puts traitors in jail for life then that’s what would happen to Geoprge…
in the times of the inqusistion that’s what one was a traitor dude.
Which inquisition? Also who here understands fully the extent and aspect of the Inquisitions for it spanned a period of 600 years but it also didn’t match all the propaganda about it either. Funny when I hear someone mention the inquisition I see men in Cardinal uniforms (robes) say “No one expects the spanish inquisitions!” then apply some terrible torture to a gray haired lady by making her sit in a comfy chair or beat her with pillows.
 
reread the post ck in the anolaogy it was a crime against the country to sell the mags,and the law of the country is to put traitors to death.honestly you are not even trying to see what is being presented sometimes…in your country traitors where put to death at one time…if there was an all baptist gov’t there would be a law such as i made up…and if Geoprge was caught he would be sentenced under that law,as it is now the law puts traitors in jail for life then that’s what would happen to Geoprge…
in the times of the inqusistion that’s what one was a traitor dude.
Yes, I am sure you know everything about Baptists. 👍
 
so when priests molested and ruined the lives of their own young parishioners and then Bishops covered it up protecting the R.C. churches reputation and not giving a darn about the victims, were these folks displaying infallible faith and morals of the roman catholic church? aren,t they God,s represenatives of the so called “ONE TRUE CHURCH”?weren,t the bishops part of the magesterium? in apostolic succession? as someone who grew up with 2 people ruined by a priests molestation,the b.s. about the R.C.,s infallibility in moral matters is ridiculous to me!
Sir, or man which ever the case may be, I am one of the abused. It ruined my life, true. It threw me off track from my vocation to the priesthood. It hurt deeply. It still hurts a bit. But I get through it. You have your ideas twisted about infalibility. Heresy has always been around. I read St. Augustine this morning on such things. At one point in the life of the Church Arianism was believed/adopted by 70% of the episcapacy/clergy I’m told. It was fought off.

One of Martin Luther’s reaction was towards clergy living in sin with their women. But later he seemed to forget he made a vow of his own, a promise to celibacy. No one made him do such a thing. He chose it on his own. But when things got tough, he chose a wife.

Also, considering all the abuse cases I know about in my previous Christian faith no one has a leg to stand on here. Sin is everywhere. Go into all the world Christ said. That doesn’t say to hide from the world. Just in the public school arena sin exists far worse than the scandals. However, it was good for the bishops to get punched in the nose in my opinion. Shame on those that hid this sin especially after repeat offenses. That spoken now let’s look at the time period that occurred and the culture and education of the time. The “experts”, psychologists of the time were giving the bishops advice…very poor advice. They truly believed they could “rehabilitate” these men. Little was known about the nature of this evil. My wife’s degree is in criminal justice and law. She taught me the same thing about that time period. I think God sent her to me to help me find my way through this pain. She converted 2 years ago to Catholicism. She also was a victim, but from her church. I know of similar stories of other men, preachers, elders, deacons, etc. It took me years to come to grips with this.

Two years ago I raged at a very gentle priest that freaked me out with his animated surprised ways. He was shocked to hear my story. He even told me he understands why I ran and that he couldn’t blame me for it. However, I realized after several vistits that he was being very sincere and was very embarrassed for his brother’s [fellow priest] poor behavior. I had forgotten just how gentle many priests really are. I had become caloused and indiffent towards anything Catholic. Our elders were “real men” I thought, until I began to realize the major difference, agendas. I rejected Catholicism and tried to get baptized as an adult fearing for my salvation at one point. But realized later that it was in vain and sinful.

All of this is relivant, but too long to get into. So let me challenge you to read threads from authentic Catholic sources to come to a grip with what infalibility really means and how it works. My offender is no longer allowed to act as a priest. In fact he is married now I hear. I know where he’s at now. I even emailed him and I’m sure he’s sweating bullets now because the only way he could get his current job is if this is kept secret. But his name is on a public list online that I won’t speak of now. I am now discerning the diaconate after a 17 year leave of absence so to speak. My wife and I discovered the real teachings of Catholicism and fell deeply in love with it. However, we know that there are still wolves in sheeps clothing out there. But we knew those in our previous faith too. People are people where ever you go.

The priests and deacons I knew were guilty as sin or at least caught are laicized. Bishops also have to treat those sinful priests as children too. They were trying to save the Church a lot of pain and agony in a world that hates Christians and especially if those Christians happen to be from the one holy catholic and apostolic church. And don’t take your anger out on God because of a few bad weeds by not using caps for His Holy Name. 😉

I hope you find peace. I used to be filled with much anger. I’ve found peace after coming home even with all the knuckleheads in here:rolleyes: . I find myself acting kind of dumb too once in a while.
 
Sir, or man which ever the case may be, I am one of the abused. It ruined my life, true. It threw me off track from my vocation to the priesthood. It hurt deeply. It still hurts a bit. But I get through it. You have your ideas twisted about infalibility. Heresy has always been around. I read St. Augustine this morning on such things. At one point in the life of the Church Arianism was believed/adopted by 70% of the episcapacy/clergy I’m told. It was fought off.

One of Martin Luther’s reaction was towards clergy living in sin with their women. But later he seemed to forget he made a vow of his own, a promise to celibacy. No one made him do such a thing. He chose it on his own. But when things got tough, he chose a wife.

Also, considering all the abuse cases I know about in my previous Christian faith no one has a leg to stand on here. Sin is everywhere. Go into all the world Christ said. That doesn’t say to hide from the world. Just in the public school arena sin exists far worse than the scandals. However, it was good for the bishops to get punched in the nose in my opinion. Shame on those that hid this sin especially after repeat offenses. That spoken now let’s look at the time period that occurred and the culture and education of the time. The “experts”, psychologists of the time were giving the bishops advice…very poor advice. They truly believed they could “rehabilitate” these men. Little was known about the nature of this evil. My wife’s degree is in criminal justice and law. She taught me the same thing about that time period. I think God sent her to me to help me find my way through this pain. She converted 2 years ago to Catholicism. She also was a victim, but from her church. I know of similar stories of other men, preachers, elders, deacons, etc. It took me years to come to grips with this.

Two years ago I raged at a very gentle priest that freaked me out with his animated surprised ways. He was shocked to hear my story. He even told me he understands why I ran and that he couldn’t blame me for it. However, I realized after several vistits that he was being very sincere and was very embarrassed for his brother’s [fellow priest] poor behavior. I had forgotten just how gentle many priests really are. I had become caloused and indiffent towards anything Catholic. Our elders were “real men” I thought, until I began to realize the major difference, agendas. I rejected Catholicism and tried to get baptized as an adult fearing for my salvation at one point. But realized later that it was in vain and sinful.

All of this is relivant, but too long to get into. So let me challenge you to read threads from authentic Catholic sources to come to a grip with what infalibility really means and how it works. My offender is no longer allowed to act as a priest. In fact he is married now I hear. I know where he’s at now. I even emailed him and I’m sure he’s sweating bullets now because the only way he could get his current job is if this is kept secret. But his name is on a public list online that I won’t speak of now. I am now discerning the diaconate after a 17 year leave of absence so to speak. My wife and I discovered the real teachings of Catholicism and fell deeply in love with it. However, we know that there are still wolves in sheeps clothing out there. But we knew those in our previous faith too. People are people where ever you go.

The priests and deacons I knew were guilty as sin or at least caught are laicized. Bishops also have to treat those sinful priests as children too. They were trying to save the Church a lot of pain and agony in a world that hates Christians and especially if those Christians happen to be from the one holy catholic and apostolic church. And don’t take your anger out on God because of a few bad weeds by not using caps for His Holy Name. 😉

I hope you find peace. I used to be filled with much anger. I’ve found peace after coming home even with all the knuckleheads in here:rolleyes: . I find myself acting kind of dumb too once in a while.
God Bless you vocatio! When you get to heaven, (if you get there before me) please put in a good word for me. You are a good man and God loves you! Thank you for your post.

Peace
 
Sir, or man which ever the case may be, I am one of the abused. It ruined my life, true. It threw me off track from my vocation to the priesthood. It hurt deeply. It still hurts a bit. But I get through it. You have your ideas twisted about infalibility. Heresy has always been around. I read St. Augustine this morning on such things. At one point in the life of the Church Arianism was believed/adopted by 70% of the episcapacy/clergy I’m told. It was fought off.

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The priests and deacons I knew were guilty as sin or at least caught are laicized. Bishops also have to treat those sinful priests as children too. They were trying to save the Church a lot of pain and agony in a world that hates Christians and especially if those Christians happen to be from the one holy catholic and apostolic church. And don’t take your anger out on God because of a few bad weeds by not using caps for His Holy Name. 😉

I hope you find peace. I used to be filled with much anger. I’ve found peace after coming home even with all the knuckleheads in here:rolleyes: . I find myself acting kind of dumb too once in a while.
Vocatio,
I wish to second Jimmy’s response and also ask the others, who are aguing about various scandals and sins in the past (crusades, inquisitions etc.), to read your post with an open heart.
The Church has openly admitted to a great number of bad decisions in the past. But none of these are attached to the doctrines of the Church. Those items that are central to the Faith.

If vacatio, a victim with the most cause to hate the Church, has been able to forgive and return perhaps others, who have never been harmed by the Church can forgive as well. Then pehaps we can get back to the original point of the thread.

So - Based on the Actual, documented, promulgated doctrines of the various Churches if the Catholic Church isn’t right, then which non-Catholic denomination is?

Peace
James
 
Yes, I am sure you know everything about Baptists. 👍
ah yes that great experiment down south known as the prohibiton…
the anti-saloon legue(comprised of the Methodists,BAPTISTS,Congergationists(sic),and the Disciples)successfuly lobbied the gov’t into passing this morallity law…
don’t beleive it?google anti-saloon legue…or google prohibition.
 
ah yes that great experiment down south known as the prohibiton…
the anti-saloon legue(comprised of the Methodists,BAPTISTS,Congergationists(sic),and the Disciples)successfuly lobbied the gov’t into passing this morallity law…
don’t beleive it?google anti-saloon legue…or google prohibition.
So Prohibition is just as evil as the Inquisition? Now I’ve heard it all :rolleyes:
 
Hi, Jimmy, skimmed through this thread. Iam interested if any non catholic, or denomination have confessed to being the “true church” ?

I am interested in reading a non catholic, or denominations view and any support they claim to of why they claim to be the “true church” Jesus instituted?

I am sorry to say I did not find any non catholics making that claim here?
 
The ABA churches insist that they are “the true descendants of the church that Jesus Christ started on the shores of Galillee” and are not Protestants because they were never part of the Catholic church. They use “The Trail of Blood” and other such selectively researched books to justify their position.
 
The ABA churches insist that they are “the true descendants of the church that Jesus Christ started on the shores of Galillee” and are not Protestants because they were never part of the Catholic church. They use “The Trail of Blood” and other such selectively researched books to justify their position.
Interesting? Do the ABA church have a founder? and any writings or Traditions that support their claim to the Risen Jesus Christ?

If they were never part of the Catholic church? then from which heresy did they derive from the first three centuries and I could probably name their founder?

What is the ABA profess to belief in? please dont tell me the seventh day sabbath new 19th century invention?
 
Interesting? Do the ABA church have a founder? and any writings or Traditions that support their claim to the Risen Jesus Christ?

If they were never part of the Catholic church? then from which heresy did they derive from the first three centuries and I could probably name their founder?
They believe Jesus founded them on the shores of Galilee in a generalized passdown to the apostles (they do not believe Peter is the rock to which Jesus referred) and that they are direct offshoots of the Antioch church, that they have never had bishops. They also proudly state that they were not a part of any Catholic councils (Nicea, Trent, etc.) The churches that they claim as their descendants almost certainly would have been perceived as heretical by the Catholic church since some of them did not believe in the trinity among other things. They claim the Montanists, Novations, Donatists, Cathari, Paulicans (in order and among others) in their line of succession. They claim traditions are not to be followed and the writings they say support their beliefs are taken out of context almost universally to bolster their claims. They also say they declared non-fellowship with all other churches in 251 A.D.(they don’t believe the Catholic church was formed until that time). It is really complicated and convoluted. I spent many days trying to sort it all out and it gave me a headache.
please dont tell me the seventh day sabbath new 19th century invention?
I am not sure what that is.
 
The true Church is wherever the Baptized gather to here the word(gospel) to pray,give praise,and celebrate the LORDS supper.
 
So Prohibition is just as evil as the Inquisition? Now I’ve heard it all :rolleyes:
are you even trying to undestand what i am telling you…in my proposed sceniro baptists had control of the gov’t,and enforced laws regarding morality,then you claim that baptists wouldn’t do that so i proved you wrong then you come up with this…🤷
in an all baptist counrty i could teach against the baptist church,but i would be going against the “church” which also formed the gov’t…so i am teaching against the gov’t also when i teach against the baptist church and thus would be tried as an TRAITOR…and if the law of the land was death for traitors then i would be put to death…the real purpose of the inquisition was to root out those that taught against the church,from within the Church.The powers that were got in on the inquisition and delcared that these people found guilty were traitors and dealt with them as such…
the purpose of the inqusition was not to destroy those not in the church or even convert them,they were outside of the inquisitions scope…
 
are you even trying to undestand what i am telling you…in my proposed sceniro baptists had control of the gov’t,and enforced laws regarding morality,then you claim that baptists wouldn’t do that so i proved you wrong then you come up with this…🤷
in an all baptist counrty i could teach against the baptist church,but i would be going against the “church” which also formed the gov’t…so i am teaching against the gov’t also when i teach against the baptist church and thus would be tried as an TRAITOR…and if the law of the land was death for traitors then i would be put to death…the real purpose of the inquisition was to root out those that taught against the church,from within the Church.The powers that were got in on the inquisition and delcared that these people found guilty were traitors and dealt with them as such…
the purpose of the inqusition was not to destroy those not in the church or even convert them,they were outside of the inquisitions scope…
I never said Baptists wouldn’t do anything, I just made a statement that you seem to think you know a lot about Baptists, and I doubt you do.

HAHA, your doing a awful lot of what if’s their buddy…

I guess history books just lie, and your right 🤷
 
All religions all people have some degree of truth/light in them. Some more than others. We all have too much lie/darkness in us; because if you have any at all, it is too much.
 
They believe Jesus founded them on the shores of Galilee in a generalized passdown to the apostles (they do not believe Peter is the rock to which Jesus referred) and that they are direct offshoots of the Antioch church, that they have never had bishops. They also proudly state that they were not a part of any Catholic councils (Nicea, Trent, etc.) The churches that they claim as their descendants almost certainly would have been perceived as heretical by the Catholic church since some of them did not believe in the trinity among other things. They claim the Montanists, Novations, Donatists, Cathari, Paulicans (in order and among others) in their line of succession. They claim traditions are not to be followed and the writings they say support their beliefs are taken out of context almost universally to bolster their claims. They also say they declared non-fellowship with all other churches in 251 A.D.(they don’t believe the Catholic church was formed until that time). It is really complicated and convoluted. I spent many days trying to sort it all out and it gave me a headache.

I am not sure what that is.
Now it is beginning to make sense. Do you know if the ABA believe in any sacraments?
 
The true Church is wherever the Baptized gather to here the word(gospel) to pray,give praise,and celebrate the LORDS supper.
Wouldn’t the true church have the true body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. His body present inorder to be the True Church? because not all believe Jesus is truly present in their church (last supper recollection) only symbolically, and I dont have any clue what non catholics mean about a symbolically Jesus present.
 
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