If the Illuminati isn't real...

[JosieN]

Perhaps the reason that he sings some anti-Christian lyrics and uses some occult symbolism is that he is partially anti-Christian (or at least insensitive to Christians) and partially into the occult.

If the entire point of this thread is to ask “do some people exist who are into the occult and/or anti-Christian?” then yes. Thread complete!

I think parents need to get their children away from this type of music and listening to music that teaches them about Jesus. I have been buying Christian CDs called “Songs 4 Worship”. The music is suitable for all ages and has a good message. All the songs may not be written for Catholics and their beliefs but I have heard some of the songs sung by the youth choir in our church.

 

[Sky_River]

Then he needs his money back, ‘cause he can’t compare to Ol’ Blue Eyes. … Not even close.

Who’s ol’ blue eyes?

 

[pianistclare]

Who’s ol’ blue eyes?

Frank Sinatra

 

[svid2]

So, I repeat…pray for our youth.
Pray unceasingly.
God has more power than evil spirits.
Do not be afraid.
God will prevail, goodness and love always prevail.
Can we change Jay-Z’s life? Only the Holy Spirit can. Pray for guidance for these misguided young people and those that hang on their every word.
Even if he’s saying these things to be flippant and funny, it’s a serious thing.
So, if you care…
PRAY my friend.
God bless.

Pax Christi!

Yes. This.

Evil is real. The enemy (=the devil, satan, etc.) is real and takes a myriad of forms. Jay Z probably is possessed/influenced/whatever (let’s be careful about terminology).

The Illuminati is likely one face
the enemy uses to ruin us.

Pray hard.

God bless.

 

[agnes_therese]

Regardless of what Paul Mooney says, Jay Z himself says in a video that he’s possessed by spirits. Jay Z admits that he’s demon possessed, and that the spirits who possess him, make him as talented as frank sinatra.

Which, even if what he says is true, doesn’t prove anything concerning the “Illuminati.”

 

[tabycat]

That still doesn’t explain why Jay Z sings anti christian lyrics, and uses occult symbolism.

How about to get attention?

As for the Illuminati (Free Masons, name your group) I doubt that they have very much power over any one.

 

[GangGreen]

From what I understand the Illuminati and Free Masonry are integrated together more or less. The lowest members of the Masonic orders have no idea what the people at the top are involved in.

Is Jay Z involved in all of this? Maybe, but I strongly doubt that any member of any of these societies would outright tell the world that he is. So I would probably say no.

 

[tabycat]

Here’s my proof that rappers doing hand signs/symbolism is not a gimmick, and that they really belong to the illuminati.

According to Paul Mooney, who is a comedian and an insider in Hollywood, the Illuminati is real, and even rappers are involved. Watch this video. youtube.com/watch?v=fIYPyrrsUlM

Never heard of Paul Mooney until now. If he is an insider in Hollywood that does not mean that the Illuminati has any power. As for rappers, they are in to alot of things (drugs, crime), inclulding Chirstianty!

 

[estesbob]

Who’s ol’ blue eyes?

A Real Singer

 

[oldcatholicguy]

That still doesn’t explain why Jay Z sings anti christian lyrics, and uses occult symbolism.

Which is more logical- JayZ uses anti-Christian lyrics and occult symbolism because-
a)he’s a member of a super secret organization that runs the world
b)he’s following in the foot steps of pretty much every “edgy”/“hip”/etc star in a field (American popular music) which has a rather long history of using occult symbolism, anti-Christian, anti-establishment, anti-pretty much everything, offensive as much as possible statements in order to sell their product.

 

[Sky_River]

Which is more logical- JayZ uses anti-Christian lyrics and occult symbolism because-
a)he’s a member of a super secret organization that runs the world
b**)he’s following in the foot steps of pretty much every “edgy”/“hip”/etc star in a field (American popular music) which has a rather long history of using occult symbolism, anti-Christian, anti-establishment, anti-pretty much everything, offensive as much as possible statements in order to sell their product**.

If Jay Z is only using anti religious/occult symbolism as a gimmick to sell records, then explain

(a)-Why are there photos of him with people wearing freemasonic clothing? Here’s the link. seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/jay-z-in-masonic-dress-at-freemason-church-funeral-service/ He’s a freemason. That photo is proof that he belongs to secret organizations.

(b)-Why did he claim that he’s possessed by spirits that enhance his singing abilities? Maybe he sings anti christian lyrics to sell records, but if that’s the case, why does he claim that he’s demon possessed? Claiming to be possessed by spirits doesn’t sell records. Here’s the video where he says that. See for yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=6KFnWwRMcFA

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

If Jay Z is only using anti religious/occult symbolism as a gimmick to sell records, then explain

(a)-Why are there photos of him with people wearing freemasonic clothing? Here’s the link. seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/jay-z-in-masonic-dress-at-freemason-church-funeral-service/ He’s a freemason. That photo is proof that he belongs to secret organizations.

(b)-Why did he claim that he’s possessed by spirits that enhance his singing abilities? Maybe he sings anti christian lyrics to sell records, but if that’s the case, why does he claim that he’s demon possessed? Claiming to be possessed by spirits doesn’t sell records. Here’s the video where he says that. See for yourself. youtube.com/watch?v=6KFnWwRMcFA

All of the above MIGHT be marketing. Or he might really belive it…but it does not mean any of it is Capital-T-True.

 

[agnes_therese]

A Real Singer

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

And a pretty good actor.

 

[Sky_River]

All of the above MIGHT be marketing. Or he might really belive it…but it does not mean any of it is Capital-T-True.

I can prove that it’s true, and that the Illuminati is real, and Jay Z is a part of it.

According to John Todd, a former illuminati member who became a christian, people have to be initiated witches to get record contracts, and every one of the major music companies has a room where they cast spells into music records. That doesn’t just apply to Jay Z-it applies to almost all secular musicians (except for the ones who don’t belong to, and have record deals with, major music companies.) Could John Todd have been a fraud who made up stories?

Maybe, but when I was watching videos about John Todd on youtube, there was a pastor who said that he believed John Todd was a real Christian (ie, he was born again and saved). If John Todd was a guy who made up sensationalist stories, why would a pastor believe that he was born again and saved? Check out these two links about john todd.

youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

contendingfortruth.com/?p=2725

 

[pianistclare]

I can prove that it’s true, and that the Illuminati is real, and Jay Z is a part of it.

According to John Todd, a former illuminati member who became a christian, people have to be initiated witches to get record contracts, and every one of the major music companies has a room where they cast spells into music records. That doesn’t just apply to Jay Z-it applies to almost all secular musicians (except for the ones who don’t belong to, and have record deals with, major music companies.) Could John Todd have been a fraud who made up stories?

Maybe, but when I was watching videos about John Todd on youtube, there was a pastor who said that he believed John Todd was a real Christian (ie, he was born again and saved). If John Todd was a guy who made up sensationalist stories, why would a pastor believe that he was born again and saved? Check out these two links about john todd.

youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

contendingfortruth.com/?p=2725

So, do you believe that we are at great peril because of a few misguided celebrities?
Again, I have to ask…so what?
God is greater than all this.
In spades.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I can prove that it’s true, and that the Illuminati is real, and Jay Z is a part of it.

According to John Todd, a former illuminati member who became a christian, people have to be initiated witches to get record contracts, and every one of the major music companies has a room where they cast spells into music records. That doesn’t just apply to Jay Z-it applies to almost all secular musicians (except for the ones who don’t belong to, and have record deals with, major music companies.) Could John Todd have been a fraud who made up stories?

Maybe, but when I was watching videos about John Todd on youtube, there was a pastor who said that he believed John Todd was a real Christian (ie, he was born again and saved). If John Todd was a guy who made up sensationalist stories, why would a pastor believe that he was born again and saved? Check out these two links about john todd.

youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

contendingfortruth.com/?p=2725

I understand that you believe this to be true, and that you think this constitutes proof.

But to me, it does not. And not a single one of these ‘proofs’ would hold up in a court of law.

 

[Coatimundi]

Beyonce is the one who had the lip syncing scandal.

I thought that was Milli Vanilli. Are you saying that Beyonce is unable to sing?

 

[arnoldoe]

If Jay Z is only using anti religious/occult symbolism as a gimmick to sell records, then explain

(a)-Why are there photos of him with people wearing freemasonic clothing? Here’s the link. seeker401.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/jay-z-in-masonic-dress-at-freemason-church-funeral-service/ He’s a freemason. That photo is proof that he belongs to secret organizations.

(b)-Why did he claim that he’s possessed by spirits that enhance his singing abilities? Maybe he sings anti christian lyrics to sell records, but if that’s the case, why does he claim that he’s demon possessed? Claiming to be possessed by spirits doesn’t sell records. Here’s the video where he says that. See for yourself. https:/

a- Photoshop
b- hes just talking

 

[arnoldoe]

I can prove that it’s true, and that the Illuminati is real, and Jay Z is a part of it.

According to John Todd, a former illuminati member who became a christian, people have to be initiated witches to get record contracts, and every one of the major music companies has a room where they cast spells into music records. That doesn’t just apply to Jay Z-it applies to almost all secular musicians (except for the ones who don’t belong to, and have record deals with, major music companies.) Could John Todd have been a fraud who made up stories?

Maybe, but when I was watching videos about John Todd on youtube, there was a pastor who said that he believed John Todd was a real Christian (ie, he was born again and saved). If John Todd was a guy who made up sensationalist stories, why would a pastor believe that he was born again and saved? Check out these two links about john todd.

youtube.com/watch?v=Otti-82jEAc

contendingfortruth.com/?p=2725

John Todd seemed like a normal guy…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Todd_(conspiracy_theorist