If voting republican doesn't change Abortion laws, then why vote Republican?
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dmelosi
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It is so sad to see the party of death come up with so many excuses to do so. They have their party members brainwashed to a certain extent on it.
The pied piper affect.
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Vonsalza
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I know a woman who came to the US from Romania and I enjoy her perspective on a lot of things as she grew up under a different type of government.
She once asked “If we kick the 15000 people in this county alone off of social assistance, are there 15000 jobs that will provide them with a basic standard of living?”
A laissez-faire die-hard that overheard the conversation said something along the lines of “well they can also look in the next county for work!”
To which my Romanian friend wisely replied, “Oh, that county doesn’t also have thousands of people on public assistance that will also need jobs when it ends? What will they all do? Turn to crime and vice to make ends meet?”
Long story short, we need to create jobs for these people. And I personally think the best way to do that is to destroy all our free-trade agreements. An American worker in an environment that rightly requires expensive safety equipment CANNOT compete on a cost-basis with a Cambodian worker that works in no such environment. Any money-saving machine you invent can also be shipped to Cambodia and ran cheaper.
Greatest mistake Clinton ever made was taking up Bush 1’s stalled NAFTA idea and trading it for some concessions to Social Security.
Yes. This does mean your iphone and socks will get more expensive. But you’ll be paying Americans to make them or competing products like them.
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Vonsalza
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That’s not what’s going on. You just refuse to see the truth of the matter.
It is that folks are member of political parties for a myriad of reasons. I’m a pro-life Democrat just like most of the Libertarian “Republicans” are pro-choice.
I get it. You don’t want to see the complexity for what it is. It’s easier to falsely simplify it and stick to broad-brush one-liners. You’re just objectively wrong to do so.
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dmelosi
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I am not questioning that you are truly a pro-life person.That’s not what’s going on. You just refuse to see the truth of the matter.
It is that folks are member of political parties for a myriad of reasons. I’m a pro-life Democrat just like most of the Libertarian “Republicans” are pro-choice.
I get it. You don’t want to see the complexity for what it is. It’s easier to falsely simplify it and stick to broad-brush one-liners. You’re just objectively wrong to do so.
But I don’t think the intentional killing of the most innocent of human beings is simplifying anything. That is the simple truth of it. Would you disagree with this statement?
I do truly believe that most that support this party of death, (I said most not all) have one single issue that is important to them so accept the other democrat positions to ease their conscience.
I believe that most democrats who try to wear the pro-life label and libertarian pro-choice republicans have the same view on abortion.
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Vonsalza
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I wouldn’t
I don’t accept parts of the Democrat plank I don’t agree with. Just like, hopefully fingers crossed for luck you don’t accept parts of the Republican plank that you disagree with.
Pro-life dems and pro-choice reps have the same view on abortion, per you.
Did I read this correctly?
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dmelosi
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There are parts of the Republican plank that I disagree with, absolutely and am vocal about those. I believe that most democrats will become apologists for their party rather than disagree.
I believe that most libertarians fall into the category of “whats in it for me”. I believe that most democrats who try to wear the pro-life label also fit into that category and vote democrat also because of “whats in it for me” for their particular most important issue. Please notice I said most, not all, but truly believe it is most.
They are the same in that some don’t think of the unborn as human beings or they vote “whats in it for me” more than for a human life.
I don’t disagree that outsourcing jobs is a huge problem, and I don’t think assistance programs should be ended immediately, or even ever. I just think they need to be changed. It seems to me that democratic candidates have created and managed programs in a way that leaves people unmotivated. There are also so many things to do for a living that don’t require “getting a job”. I believe people have talents, and should be motivated to use those talents. Just look at how many people are bringing in money from creating YouTube channels.
Ultimately, I will still always vote to end abortion, or at the very least kerp it from getting worse. The way Clinton was speaking she’d legislate killing infants! There are different approaches to the economy, there is no certain moral way to do it.
Edit: I should also note that I’m not opposed to voting for third parties as I did last election. It’s only unrealistic for them to win as long as people keep saying that it is. I want to make it realistic.
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Vonsalza
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Amen, Amen, Amen X 1,000,000
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DeoVindice1863
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The Democrats have done so much to push us into the immoral culture we are in today. It is so sad anybody Catholic could support them. All major Democratic politicians are clearly against the Church. Those that identify as Catholic, such as Joe Biden, are in a state of mortal sin for pushing their Party’s sinful agenda,
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Vonsalza
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No, secularism has. And there are a growing number of secularists in the GOP as well.
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dmelosi
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It seems like secularism has engulfed the democratic party, which has been accepted by Catholics married to that party.
Those Catholics don’t understand their being apologists for that party of death is paving the way for that slope to continue that downward spiral.
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Vonsalza
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Here you go again with the “If you accept the part, then you accept the whole” erroneous mentality. We’ve already established that you don’t accept the whole Republican plank. Why do you unreasonably hold Democrats to a different standard as yourself?
If the problem cross-sections both parties, then it’s not a party problem.
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dmelosi
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I believe if you check the party platforms, will be very obvious.
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Vonsalza
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That doesn’t answer either point, I’m afraid.
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dmelosi
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Their platform promotes, protects and is an apologist for the intentional killing of millions the most innocent human beings. If that doesn’t answer the point, you are ignoring completely for some reason.
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Vonsalza
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I don’t ignore it. I’ve told you (repeatedly, at this point) that I don’t support that particular part of the plank.
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dmelosi
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I’m sorry but that sounds like the argument “that you are personally against it, but”
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Vonsalza
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That’s exactly what it is.
I like most of it, I dislike some of it. As we’ve discussed earlier, this also describes your relationship to the Republican plank.
Until we have a more parliamentary system where there are multitudes of parties that give folks enough options to find a party that nearly precisely fits their political views, such will be the nature of the beast in American politics.
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phil19034
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If I were you, I would either register Independent or for a small third party.
Personally, I could never be part of the Democratic Party due to their platform. Even when I used for vote for individual Democrats, I could never be part of their party due to their official, documented platform.
I think it’s one thing for a Catholic to vote for individual Democrats, I think a logical argument can sometimes be made for voting for individual Democrats. However, I don’t understand how a faithful Catholic can continue to be registered as a Democrat when the organization’s official platform is anti-Catholic.
On the flip side, while individual Republicans support some policies that challenge Catholic social teaching, their official, documented platform is 100% in agreement with the Catholic Church.
Neither party is perfect, but the Democrats have gone on record as being officially against Catholic teaching.
God bless.
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