Depending upon what source you use, I suppose you can get different versions of the origins of the “Roman” Church. My source does not reflect what you presented. To me its kind of irrelevant and not germane to this thread, so I won’t argue about it.
What is sad is the utter disdain many fellow Christians have for each other, all because we tend to worship Christ a little differently from each other. What should be the key here is that we do worship him.
Have no problem with that, but it will never happen.
I tend to disagree again and if you read any official Church papers, titles etc, you will never see it listed as the “Roman” Catholic Church. It is the Catholic Church, never ever uses the word Roman in the title of the Catholic Church. Yes the Vatican is in Rome because thats where Peter was, and died, and the Pope has resided there (for the most part) ever since, but the Church is not Roman. Actually, the Vatican State is a country itself within Italy.**
Sorry, but that’s wrong
It’s called ROMAN, because it’s led o conducted by the Pope. The centre of Catholicism is Rome, where formerly the centre of the enemies of Catholicism was. Therefore, we listen to the ROMAN Catholic Church. And we do that with joy.
I have not the least problem with friends who are not convinced about our church. Might they stay whatever or even nonchristians, Jews, Moslems or Hindus or even atheists. I tell them in love what I believe and why, and that’s it.
This :banghead: wouldn’t bring anyone even one inch nearer to God.
If one wants to listen and find his way, is his problem alone. We will be asked by God “DID YOU TELL HIM IN A LOVING WAY” and our friend will be asked “DID YOU REALLY TRY TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND MY WORD”
I don’t think God will ask “WHICH CHURCH DID YOU BELONG TO" (mine or one of the secessional sensplinter churches) if a human being lived in a loving way
Sorry – last bit is a little provocating
(plus bearing spelling mistakes as usual:blush: )
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Officially you may be correct. However, below is a quote from the Vatican news magazine.
I can assure you that the pope can and does consider the Reformation heresy. However, Memaw did not call our separated brethren heretics, cut the theology that produced them heretical. In order to qualify as a heretic, one must have known and understood the truth, then willfully choose to depart from it. This is what the Reformers did. However, our modern day separated brethren, for the most part, have never been taught the truth, either about their own faith, or the Catholic faith. Therefore, they cannot qualify for the term “heretic”.
I think you are misunderstanding, Mike. A disdain for heresy is not the same as disdaining the people who, through no fault of their own, have been brought up in it.
Perhaps I was a bit hasty with my answer after re-reading her post. However, her attitude towards her fellow Christians just infuriates me, so I jumped to a conclusion. She may not mean it to sound that way, but it sure comes across in the negative.I can assure you that the pope can and does consider the Reformation heresy. However, Memaw did not call our separated brethren heretics, cut the theology that produced them heretical. In order to qualify as a heretic, one must have known and understood the truth, then willfully choose to depart from it. This is what the Reformers did. However, our modern day separated brethren, for the most part, have never been taught the truth, either about their own faith, or the Catholic faith. Therefore, they cannot qualify for the term “heretic”.
I think you are misunderstanding, Mike. A disdain for heresy is not the same as disdaining the people who, through no fault of their own, have been brought up in it.
Jesus wills that we worship God in Spirit and in Truth. There is only one Truth. Our worship will be inhibited until we are one in Spirit, and one in Truth. This requires a unity that will not emanate from false teachings.
Indeed the heart of the Roman Rite is at the Vatican, but the Catholic Church is not “Roman”. This is the most common Rite in Europe and the West, but not in the East, South, or North. To characterize Catholicism as “Roman” is disregarding of the other 22 Rites who are in union with the bishop of Rome.
Let me ask you something, mike. Are you familiar with the separation of Israel and the two temples of worship that were set up. The way I see it, the king who set up the two temples was a heretic. The people that gravitated to it simply didn’t understand that it wasn’t worshiping God in the fullness of faith as those who worshiped in the Jerusalem Temple. They all worshiped the same God, but do you feel that it was “all good”?
She was not talking about individual persons’, though, she was talking about beliefs. I suppose our understandings of others missing the mark will be resolved when we all yield to the one spirit of unity. I agree, what matters to Christ is that we sincerely follow HIm. He left His Apostles in charge to teach all that He had commanded. When followers of Christ depart from those teachings, unity is lost.
if you check there are 7 rites of the Catholic Church with the oldest being the latin rite circa 46ADIndeed the heart of the Roman Rite is at the Vatican, but the Catholic Church is not “Roman”. This is the most common Rite in Europe and the West, but not in the East, South, or North. To characterize Catholicism as “Roman” is disregarding of the other 22 Rites who are in union with the bishop of Rome.
here is a link for you www.mncuf.org/rites.htm
No, I’m not familiar with that story, but I stand by what I said earlier.
No argument there. I can be just as guilty of intolerance as the next person. It’s not right and it’s something I always need to work on.
Our (Catholic) faith causes us to do good works because of our love of God which increases our faith which increases us (Catholics) to want to do more good deeds. It’s like when you’re friends with someone, you want to do something nice for them, not because you want something back in return, but because you truly care about that person. It makes you happy to see them happy, which is a greater reward then anything they could give you in return. The same thing with faith/good works. I feel closer to God and my relationship growing with Him the more good things I do (praying, going to Mass, helping others in need). By the way, doesn’t the Bible say that whenever you did something to the least you did it to Christ? Wouldn’t that be a good reason to do good works?
Read 1st Chronicles, start immediately after Solomon’s death. When you get to 1 Chronicles 12, you’ll set what I’m talking about:
Jeroboam changed the entire worship system of Israel.
), but I’m focusing more on the fact that Jeroboam completely changed the Jewish worship system, just as most Protestant faiths have changed their worship service away from the now-2000 year old Catholic Mass.To be honest with you, I think you’ve been more fair-minded than most people in this thread, at least pleading for equality among all Christians. I don’t think you have anything to apologize on that front, my brother!
Like I said it may be called that by many but not by the Church itself. I read that magazine myself.
But to reinforce Mike’s point, I drive by many Catholic Churches that say they are “Roman Catholic”. To the average Protestant, it’s not a perjorative, just a moniker. Now when they start calling us “Romanist” or “Papists”, then it implies that we follow the Pope rather than Christ!!!
I don’t see any way you could follow the Pope without following Christ! That would be like saying “I’m Catholic but I’m not Christian” - that dog just doesn’t hunt!The truth is what really matters and most of the non-catholics on these threads are here to put the Catholic Faith down and it really bothers me to see Catholics playing into their hands by trying to water down our faith. I am sorry if I infuriate a fellow Catholic but that isn’t my intention, I am just defending the Faith and we should both be doing that.
