If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[fbl9]

well done Jimmy B i have,since my awakening, felt that there is more scripture in the mass then in any other christain group.

 

[Harpazo]

I noticed that you did not mention any prayers to Mary or the idea that Roman Catholics believe that they are actually eating the literal flesh of Christ, that Christ is being crucified again, or that they believe that they need a priest to act as a mediator between them and God.

Read John 20:22-23 and also James 5:16

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[Harpazo]

well done Jimmy B i have,since my awakening, felt that there is more scripture in the mass then in any other christain group.

Check out this link from my site: stpio-soe.org/scriptural_mass.html It will blow you away.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[fbl9]

the church’s doctrine on my mother,Mary, comes from her knowledge who Jesus is. Mary had to be imacculatively concieved. For He was like us in all things except sin. How is original sin passed on ?by being born a man. therefore Mary had to be without sin as well. better read the gospel written by St. Luke again.

 

[mgrfin]

I noticed that you did not mention any prayers to Mary or the idea that Roman Catholics believe that they are actually eating the literal flesh of Christ, that Christ is being crucified again, or that they believe that they need a priest to act as a mediator between them and God.

I follow the Church’s calendar, and I pray to whoever today’s saint is. That is how our liturgy works. I pray to Mary specially, but that is my devotion, not required of me.

Christ is not crucified again in the Sacrifice of the Mass. We partake of the Eucharist, that is, what we believe to be the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, as his Apostles did at the Last Supper.

As for a priesthood, it replicates the one Mediator we have between God and Man. You can go to God directly; our priesthood is here for our sacraments, our avenues to God.

peace

 

[FredSmith]

Read John 20:22-23

I did. Nothing there about any of the things I cited.

and also James 5:16

Again, nothing to do with any of the things I cited.

 

[FredSmith]

our priesthood is here for our sacraments, our avenues to God.

Then why does the Bible say that Christ is the only avenue to God?

 

[mgrfin]

I did. Nothing there about any of the things I cited.

Again, nothing to do with any of the things I cited.

Sure it did. They weren’t my quotes, so I should mind my business. These quotes refer to the Sacrament of Penance, and Christ giving his Apostles the power to forgive sins.

peace

 

[Harpazo]

I did. Nothing there about any of the things I cited.

Again, nothing to do with any of the things I cited.

It has everything to do with what you cited. Here it is commanded by Christ and you have the audacity to claim it doesn’t apply? I fear for your soul. Keep seeking the Truth, my friend.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[mgrfin]

Then why does the Bible say that Christ is the only avenue to God?

Jesus Christ is our Mediator. He is the Priest of the New Covenant, in a way like the priesthood of the Old Covenant.
I don’t have the verses from Letter to the Hebrews, but does it say that Jesus is the only Mediator?

When Jesus instituted the Eucharist, and other Sacraments, liike ‘forgtiveness of sins" he was creating a priesthood: "Do this in remembrance of me’.

He has gone to Heaven, and has left his Church with a ministerial Priesthood behind. Otherwise men would forget about Him.

If it weren’t for the Catholic Church, do you think that Protestantism would be around today in all its various forms. They are here to be in opposition to us. They all would have disintegrated without us. No scriptures, no example of sacraments, no preaching, no devotion to God, no dogma.

Fred, do you have any interest in joining the Catholic Church?

peace

 

[FredSmith]

It has everything to do with what you cited. Here it is commanded by Christ and you have the audacity to claim it doesn’t apply? I fear for your soul. Keep seeking the Truth, my friend.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

I think we’re talking about two different things. I didn’t say that the scriptures you cited are meaningless, only that they’re about different subjects than the ones I cited in my previous post.

 

[fbl9]

hi FredSmith you are still here i see what have you to say about my post.post #161

 

[FredSmith]

Jesus Christ is our Mediator. He is the Priest of the New Covenant, in a way like the priesthood of the Old Covenant.

Which was done away with. See Hebrews 8.

I don’t have the verses from Letter to the Hebrews, but does it say that Jesus is the only Mediator?

Yes.

When Jesus instituted the Eucharist, and other Sacraments, liike ‘forgtiveness of sins" he was creating a priesthood: "Do this in remembrance of me’.

Nowhere in the Bible do we find Jesus instituting these things.

He has gone to Heaven, and has left his Church with a ministerial Priesthood behind. Otherwise men would forget about Him.

And this is found in scripture…where, exactly?

If it weren’t for the Catholic Church, do you think that Protestantism would be around today in all its various forms.

If it weren’t for the Roman Catholic church, Protestantism wouldn’t need to be around.

They are here to be in opposition to us. They all would have disintegrated without us. No scriptures, no example of sacraments, no preaching, no devotion to God, no dogma.

I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but our church is based on the scriptures and we preach the word of God constantly.

 

[Harpazo]

I think we’re talking about two different things. I didn’t say that the scriptures you cited are meaningless, only that they’re about different subjects than the ones I cited in my previous post.

They were what you specifically asked for in your previous post about confessing sins. I stated the verses, and all you can say is they’re not what you want. I don’t know how much clearer it can get. Those verses are screaming “Sacrament of Penance!”

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[2ndGen]

I can’t copy and paste Mt 16 to show you firsthand, but there is nothing in Mt 16 that says any man can speak infallibly.

 

[2ndGen]

At first, maybe, but sooner or later, word of my beliefs would get back to the church leadership (if I didn’t confront them myself) and I can’t imagine they’d be too happy with my beliefs.

To be honest, I don’t even see how they would allow me to join the Roman Catholic church to begin with.

Jesus didn’t command that someone believe before following Him, neither do we.

Also, joining The Church is not like most non-Catholic Christian churches. You’d have to go to RCIA for about 9 months (similar to a child being placed in a womb to be born). It’s a class that teaches you the doctrines of our faith and proves it scripturally.

That way, anybody who becomes Catholic after having joined The Church, they will have a good foundation to beginning their eternal salvation.

We don’t just get dunked in a tub and sign a piece of paper. There’s a period of discernment. It takes time. It’s a serious decision.

When one goes to get a driver’s license, they want to make sure one can drive before they give them the privilage to drive.

Most non-Catholics are too impatient to become a Catholic. They think that there are too many hoops to jump through. But to those who are called to The Universal Church of Jesus Christ (oh, in case you didn’t know, that’s all that “catholic” or “katolicos” means…“universal”), they will persevere because whoever God wants here, they come.

Of course, being one doesn’t have to be Catholic to be a Christian, and one is a better Christian outside of The Church, so be it.

 

[fbl9]

hi 2nd gen fbl9 here is my posting to accurate to reply to or what? post #161

 

[2ndGen]

Then why does the Bible say that Christ is the only avenue to God?

That applies only to Christians.

Romans 2 speaks on non-believers having access to God (and their being justified with Him) by their righteousness even if they don’t have The Law.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

I don’t know what answering these questions will do.

Yes, just as in Orthodoxy.

Yes. The usual presentations are “The body/blood, given for you.” Or “The body of Christ, the bread of heaven… The blood of Christ, the cup of salvation.” The response is “Amen” or “Thanks be to God.”

All of the consecrated elements are not always consumed. Some will be taken to the sick or those in hospitals. After that, they will either be consumed or interred. Some sacristies have a sacrarium where the elements may be poured that goes to the earth.

Depends on the church. I have served churches that did. Many have communion during mid-week services.

The epiclesis in Word and Table I the one I quoted earlier:
Pour out your Holy Spirit on us and on these gifts
of bread and wine; make them be for us the body and blood of Christ,
that we may be for the world the body of Christ, redeemed by His Blood.

All of this is moot, since your next response is that since we’re not validly ordained, we cannot ‘confect’ the Eucharist. I would simply say that, to be honest, I suspect God could care less.

But I do appreciate your answering my questions.

 

[2ndGen]

hi 2nd gen fbl9 here is my posting to accurate to reply to or what? post #161

The Mass if pretty much all Scripture.

See, it’s based on The Last Supper.

First, the “mass” together (which means to literally come together for a common union aka “communion”).

Then Jesus talks about the Old Testament (first Reading).

Then, He speaks (New Testament=second Reading).

Then, He combines the two to reveal the message and to confirm one with the other (The Homily).

Then, The Sacrament of Communion takes place (the blessing and breaking and sharing of the unleavened bread, aka The Eucharist).

And of course, there are the series of prayers.

You were spot on.

Most non-Catholic Christians will take a verse from one book, go to another book and take a verse out of there and put them together to create a new combined verse and discuss a new take on a teaching (not all the time, but most of the time).

They don’t usually take “passages” in context, but take verses. I’ve seen them take 10 verses and combine them.

I guess you could say that they “copy & paste” The Word of God.

Regardless,their services do “not” reflect The Last Supper which is The First Mass.

Nor do their services reflect what is described as The Church in Revelations (with The Altar and The Tabernacle and The Candles and The Incense, etc…).

Their churches are focused on the pastor, not the sacrifice. There is no Altar or any of the things mentioned in The Church of Christ in Revelations.

You were spot on…The Mass “is” Scriptural; literally manifested into reality.

Amen!