If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[mgrfin]

Which soft nerve did I hit, Fred.

“Do this in remembrance of me”. What does that mean when he said it at the Last Supper?

Does your church have the Eucharist?

Jesus gave the commission to go out to preach the Gospel and to baptise. Where were the ministers for this to come from.

He instituted the Sacrament of Penance: "Truly, I say to you, what you shall bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven…’

This is confirmed in 2 Cor 5:18-20: re: the ministry of reconciliation.

"Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell…Matt 16:18-19

When did your bible church come into existence, Fred, and how long is it going to be around?

Jesus did away with the Priesthood? The Old Testament Priesthood, yes. Not the Priesthood of the New Testament, he instituted.

I guess you are not going to join our Church, Fred, so you are just wasting your Monday.

Peace
peace
peace

 

[SyCarl]

I have not read this lengthy thread but will give my reasons for not being a Catholic.

I was brought up in my present denomination which certainly affects my position. From experience I can affirm most Protestants do not usually think anything about Catholics other than that they are fellow Christians. I guess I should note that when I am speaking about Protestants I am talking about the mainline denominations dating from the Reformation and not those that call themselves non-denominational.

I knew next to nothing about Catholicism until I married one. I then decided to look into it so I could understand her and her family. I did not even know that it was a problem that we got married in a Protestant church as neither she or her family said anything about it.

I think that I have become quite informed about Catholicism since then. My wife had been non-practising before our marriage as she was disillusuioned by the Church. She has since joined my church. I did find that even though she was a cradle Catholic a former alter server and at one time enrolled to become a nun, that she did not know very much about the Catholic Church. For example she was certain that the doctrine of Purgatory had been done away with in the 1990’s and that the Immaculate Conception meant the virgin birth of Jesus.

During my investigation, I found that there were a number of things that the Catholic Church required to believed that I could not believe. Since I do not agree with all the Catholic Church requires to believed I could not be a Catholic since I would not be a “cafeteria” member of any denomination.

 

[Jimmy_B]

I noticed that you did not mention any prayers to Mary or the idea that Roman Catholics believe that they are actually eating the literal flesh of Christ, that Christ is being crucified again, or that they believe that they need a priest to act as a mediator between them and God.

“I noticed that you did not mention…”

Hello FredSmith

LOL, you are assuming in your post that I am trying to hide something, come on…

Are you under the impression that the Roman Catholic Church is some sort of secret society, whose members today and throughout history, have never read the Bible and that the “secret” way in which Catholics “worship”, is to meet secretly once a week to pray to Mary?

The Catholic Church does not create doctrine it defines it. God creates 'doctrine".

I am a Roman Catholic and what I believe can be found in the Bible, the Catechism, and any other document that my religion uses to define church doctrine, faith and morals.

I do not personally interpret the Bible and I do not have a personal opinion, which is in conflict with Catholicism, if I did, I would no longer by definition, be a Roman Catholic.

Therefore, if I have no personal opinion but am merely a faithful follower of Christ and His church, then what is there of “mine” to hide?

Think about it.

Ask one question at a time about Catholicism and I am sure you will get many responses back from Catholics who are proud to share their faith with you, just as I am.

Thanks for your post, God bless.

 

[O.S.Luke]

But I do appreciate your answering my questions.

Thank you for your graciousness and charity.

O+

 

[mgrfin]

I have not read this lengthy thread but will give my reasons for not being a Catholic.

I was brought up in my present denomination which certainly affects my position. From experience I can affirm most Protestants do not usually think anything about Catholics other than that they are fellow Christians. I guess I should note that when I am speaking about Protestants I am talking about the mainline denominations dating from the Reformation and not those that call themselves non-denominational.

I knew next to nothing about Catholicism until I married one. I then decided to look into it so I could understand her and her family. I did not even know that it was a problem that we got married in a Protestant church as neither she or her family said anything about it.

I think that I have become quite informed about Catholicism since then. My wife had been non-practising before our marriage as she was disillusuioned by the Church. She has since joined my church. I did find that even though she was a cradle Catholic a former alter server and at one time enrolled to become a nun, that she did not know very much about the Catholic Church. For example she was certain that the doctrine of Purgatory had been done away with in the 1990’s and that the Immaculate Conception meant the virgin birth of Jesus.

During my investigation, I found that there were a number of things that the Catholic Church required to believed that I could not believe. Since I do not agree with all the Catholic Church requires to believed I could not be a Catholic since I would not be a “cafeteria” member of any denomination.

Thank you for your contribution. You are frank and open, and that is a good thing. Many Catholics confuse the Immaculate Conception with the Virgin Birth of Jesus. Not unusual.

At least, you are not like some Protestants who appear on this Site, who are here to privately attack the Church. It wa a mission, I guess they picked up on some Sunday. “I have nothing else to do, I guess I’ll go bother the Catholics”.

A lot of actors out there. We all like it when someone is upfront.

They pick and complain, and get all nasty when given the answers they don’t expect. And if the Catholics are ‘lacking in charity’ they say back, well, I’m not going to become a Catholic now, if that is the way you are going to act, and get all black-mailing and confrontational, and try to put us on a guilt trip.

It’s better than television.

I like your spirit, however. May God’s grace guide you on your path.

peace to you.

 

[Jimmy_B]

I follow the Church’s calendar, and I pray to whoever today’s saint is. That is how our liturgy works. I pray to Mary specially, but that is my devotion, not required of me.

Christ is not crucified again in the Sacrifice of the Mass. We partake of the Eucharist, that is, what we believe to be the real body and blood of Jesus Christ, as his Apostles did at the Last Supper.

As for a priesthood, it replicates the one Mediator we have between God and Man. You can go to God directly; our priesthood is here for our sacraments, our avenues to God.

peace

 

[2ndGen]

I have not read this lengthy thread but will give my reasons for not being a Catholic.

I was brought up in my present denomination which certainly affects my position. From experience I can affirm most Protestants do not usually think anything about Catholics other than that they are fellow Christians. I guess I should note that when I am speaking about Protestants I am talking about the mainline denominations dating from the Reformation and not those that call themselves non-denominational.

I knew next to nothing about Catholicism until I married one. I then decided to look into it so I could understand her and her family. I did not even know that it was a problem that we got married in a Protestant church as neither she or her family said anything about it.

I think that I have become quite informed about Catholicism since then. My wife had been non-practising before our marriage as she was disillusuioned by the Church. She has since joined my church. I did find that even though she was a cradle Catholic a former alter server and at one time enrolled to become a nun, that she did not know very much about the Catholic Church. For example she was certain that the doctrine of Purgatory had been done away with in the 1990’s and that the Immaculate Conception meant the virgin birth of Jesus.

During my investigation, I found that there were a number of things that the Catholic Church required to believed that I could not believe. Since I do not agree with all the Catholic Church requires to believed I could not be a Catholic since I would not be a “cafeteria” member of any denomination.

Give that man a cigar!

Amen!

Despite our debates,
you have shown what I believe to be a true Christian to be
(and I dont’ have to feel that you have to be a Catholic to be a true Christian!).

:bowdown:

Your words are a testimony and I am humbled to my knees.

Pax

 

[2ndGen]

Hello FredSmith

LOL, you are assuming in your post that I am trying to hide something, come on…

Are you under the impression that the Roman Catholic Church is some sort of secret society, whose members today and throughout history, have never read the Bible and that the “secret” way in which Catholics “worship”, is to meet secretly once a week to pray to Mary?

The Catholic Church does not create doctrine it defines it. God creates 'doctrine".

I am a Roman Catholic and what I believe can be found in the Bible, the Catechism, and any other document that my religion uses to define church doctrine, faith and morals.

I do not personally interpret the Bible and I do not have a personal opinion, which is in conflict with Catholicism, if I did, I would no longer by definition, be a Roman Catholic.

Therefore, if I have no personal opinion but am merely a faithful follower of Christ and His church, then what is there of “mine” to hide?

Think about it.

Ask one question at a time about Catholicism and I am sure you will get many responses back from Catholics who are proud to share their faith with you, just as I am.

Thanks for your post, God bless.

 

[fbl9]

oops 2nd gen i meant #162 anyhows this has been an interesting time today

 

[mgrfin]

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You must have a shortened bible. We preach the Word of God at all times, in all places, at every time during the day and night throughout the world

Check out another bible for the institution of the Eucharist and Penance. Christ gave these commissions to his Apostles.

Your church is based on the Scriptures? Give me the chapter and verse please???
The Eucharist is in the Acts of the Apostles. Check it out.

Protestantism showed up in the 16th century, Your church showed up when?, and by whom?

As for Hebrews, St. Paul presents to his readers the everlasting Priesthood of Jesus Christ (7: 1-28, a priesthood which fulfills the promise of the Old Testament (8: 1-13). It also provides the meaning God ultimately intended in the sacrifices of the Old Testament (9:1-28)/ These were symbolsof the unique sacrifice of Christ which alone obtains forgiven ess of the sins of mankind (10: 1-18).

You have a Bible believing church, but it is incomplete, and does not fulfill the promises made to us before his Ascension.

Your church needs the Catholic Church - it is the light of the world, presenting always the truth of the Gospels.

peace

 

[O.S.Luke]

I guess I could be softer than how I present myself.

I’m an old cranky guy, with high blood pressure, arthritis, BPH (why I run to the bathroom alot), high cholesterol, and I am fat and obsese. I’ve had A/F, but they gave me shock treatments, which seem to have worked. When the doctor says I have had ‘heart failure’, I suspect I am on the way out. My eyes are bad, and for that reason I have a lot of typos. There is a lot more I could do to be patient, but unfortunately I am not.

Yeah, people use the ‘uncharitable’ card, particularly against me. That doesn’t resolve their problem, just because I am old, sick and cranky. It is kind of an emotional, sentimental black-mail, and I am suppose to fall on my knees and beg their forgiveness.

If I did, I wouldn’t be able to get up

peace

I have rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis at an early age, and chronic pain. It never excuses a lack of charity or patience, tho.

We bear our suffering with grace, and always act with charity. I can be young, sick, cranky, or bitter. I usually choose not to be.

And I beg your forgiveness if I have been uncharitable.

O+

 

[mgrfin]

I have rheumatoid arthritis and osteoporosis at an early age, and chronic pain. It never excuses a lack of charity or patience, tho.

We bear our suffering with grace, and always act with charity. I can be young, sick, cranky, or bitter. I usually choose not to be.

And I beg your forgiveness if I have been uncharitable.

O+

We all have our graces. I have a pretty thick skin. No need to feel guilt.

peace

 

[FredSmith]

Jesus didn’t command that someone believe before following Him, neither do we.

What???

Man, you guys are really nasty. In one thread, I was called names, in another thread I was told that I’m not a full time pastor and now you’re implying that all we do is “dunk somebody in a tub and sign a piece of paper?”

Based on my experiences here today, no Roman Catholic should ever complain about somebody being rude to them again.

When one goes to get a driver’s license, they want to make sure one can drive before they give them the privilage to drive.

Which is precisely why we have new converts take a series of lengthy and very Biblically challenging classes.

[/QUOTE]

 

[mgrfin]

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I feel a guilt trip coming on…

So you are a protestant pastor, Fred?

So you are just wasting our time. It is just an opportunity to argue, and to spend a Monday afternoon,.

I have better things to do, Fred, than to argue with an insincere Christian. We thought you were here seeking answers. What you want is confrontation, and condemnation, and throw in a little guilt to boot.

peace

 

[FredSmith]

Check out another bible for the institution of the Eucharist and Penance. Christ gave these commissions to his Apostles.

Then you should have no problem showing me where.

Your church is based on the Scriptures? Give me the chapter and verse please???

Given that you won’t answer my question, I don’t think you’re in any postition to demand that I answer yours.

The Eucharist is in the Acts of the Apostles. Check it out.

OK. You tell me what verse and I’ll be happy to “check it out”.

Protestantism showed up in the 16th century, Your church showed up when?, and by whom?

Roughly forty days after Christ ascended.

You have a Bible believing church, but it is incomplete, and does not fulfill the promises made to us before his Ascension.

OK. I’ll bite: how are we “incomplete”?

Your church needs the Catholic Church

Yeah, like Nicole needed OJ.

it is the light of the world

According to the Bible, Jesus said that all born again believers are the light of the world.

 

[mgrfin]

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Okay, Try your Bible out on the following:

The Eucharist”
John 6: 48-59
Math 26: 26-28
Mark: 14: 22-24
Luke 22: 19-20
1 Cor 11: 23-29
Acts 2: 42

Penance and the forgives of sins:
Math 18: 15-18
John 20: 23

Christ founds his Church:
Matt 16:18
John 10: 27-28
John 10: 14-16
1 Cor 12: 12, 27
Eph 4: 4-6
Acts 2: 1-4
John 14: 16-17
Luke 10:16
Acts 1: 8

I would like your quotes as soon as possible.

peace

 

[FredSmith]

Okay, Try your Bible out on the following:

The Eucharist”
John 6: 48-59
Math 26: 26-28
Mark: 14: 22-24
Luke 22: 19-20
1 Cor 11: 23-29

Penance and the forgives of sins:
Math 18: 15-18
John 20: 23

Christ founds his Church:
Matt 16:18
John 10: 27-28
John 10: 14-16
1 Cor 12: 12, 27
Eph 4: 4-6
Acts 2: 1-4
John 14: 16-17
Luke 10:16
Acts 1: 8

I would like your quotes as soon as possible.

Not one of these verses relate to the Eucharist as Roman Catholics practice it, the idea that your priests can forgive sins, and none of them say that the church Christ founded is the Roman Catholic church.

 

[Pwrlftr]

Man, you guys are really nasty. In one thread, I was called names, in another thread I was told that I’m not a full time pastor and now you’re implying that all we do is “dunk somebody in a tub and sign a piece of paper?”

Most of the catholic posters are fine but there are a few…well, just use the ignore button if you need to.

 

[mgrfin]

mgrfin;3193522:

Okay, Try your Bible out on the following:

The Eucharist”

John 6: 48-59
Math 26: 26-28
Mark: 14: 22-24
Luke 22: 19-20
1 Cor 11: 23-29

Penance and the forgives of sins:
Math 18: 15-18
John 20: 23

Christ founds his Church:
Matt 16:18
John 10: 27-28
John 10: 14-16
1 Cor 12: 12, 27
Eph 4: 4-6
Acts 2: 1-4
John 14: 16-17
Luke 10:16
Acts 1: 8

I would like your quotes as soon as possible.

Not one of these verses relate to the Eucharist as Roman Catholics practice it, the idea that your priests can forgive sins, and none of them say that the church Christ founded is the Roman Catholic church.

You are in a state of denial. You expect that the wordage be in 21st century parlance.

The practice of the Church from the earliest times confirms the institution and practice of the sacraments.

And when was your church founded. Show us the verses where this was instituted.

peace

 

[FredSmith]

You are in a state of denial.

I guess you’re right. I keep on hoping that Roman Catholics will be able to back up their doctrines and practices with scripture.

What could that possibly be but denial?

And when was your church founded.

About forty days after Christ’s ascension.

Show us the verses where this was instituted.

Read the first two chapters of Acts.