If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[fbl9]

hi again fredsmith when one insults a catholic that individual is not the only one insulted we all are for we are the body of Christ. what happens in your group if some one disagrees with what pours forth from your mouth? if it is like any other b.o.o. church they get others who agree with them and start a new church which truer then the last so they claim.

 

[FredSmith]

FredSmith

Matthew 16: 16 - 20

I these verse Jesus established Peter as the one to lead the Church

Nowhere in the passage do we see Jesus establishing Peter as the one to lead the church.

As far as Infallibility form New Advent:
Infallibility - In general, exemption or immunity from liability to error or failure; in particular in theological usage, the supernatural prerogative by which the Church of Christ is, by a special Divine assistance, preserved from liability to error in her definitive dogmatic teaching regarding matters of faith and morals.

“New Advent” is not the word of God.

On The Blessed Virgin. I have found know where were devotion is required, Highly and strongly recommended. again form the New American Bible:
Gospel of John ch 19: 26 - 27

Nothing here telling us to build statues of her and bow and pray to them.

Here Jesus moments before death gave his mother to us.

No, He asked a friend to watch out for His mother.

Read th First chapter of the Gospel of Luke. A condensed version is Th Prayer " Hail Mary full of grace blessed are you among all women and Blessed is the fruit of thine womb, Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of god pray for us now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Nowhere in Luke are we told that Mary is the mother of God, or that she prays for us, or that we are to pray to her or worship her.

You are being unbiblical by giving FULL authority in a thing which tells you to take disputes to the Church, and not to “a collection of writings”.

First of all, if what you’re saying is true, then why does 1 Cor say that the church is still subject to the word of God?

In other words it’s TELLS you to not use it as the final arbiter of truth, as it can’t be used to interpret itself.

And what verse is that?

If what you’re saying is true, then how do you explain 2 Tim 3:15?

 

[fbl9]

oh good now that i am “saved” i can go rape and pillage to my hearts content with no fear.

 

[HeWillProvide]

*Right now, I’m not Catholic because:
*I have yet to be convinced that everything the Church says is true (and I refuse to convert otherwise, as that would be false witness). *

Does this mean you are convinced that everything your current church says is true? Also, what does the word “faith” mean to you?

 

[Eimile]

The teaching of purgatory is one of the reasons I left the Catholic Church. Believing in purgatory is not believing that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross was “enough”. How can we ever add to the redemption of the cross? Jesus said, “It is finished”, His work was complete. No fire can purge my soul, only the precious blood of Our Lord and Savior.
There are so many wonderful truths in the Catholic faith, but I’m unable to fathom some of their teachings, including purgatory.
And for the record, I didn’t leave the Cathoic Church to live my life relishing sin.
Time is something we live in but God does not. Contrition, salvation and redemption are given to cover all of my sins, past and future, but never to be trampled underfoot by deliberately sinning.

 

[ralphinal]

John 17:20-23

What does it mean to be one? Are we one? If not, why? Are we contributing to being one or are we sowing division?

Mr. Smith,
I am sorry if anyone offended you. This is not what Christianity is all about. THese people need to take a long look at being Christian. I must say, however, that I am unimpressed by your statements on the Catholic Faith. These claims that you have made seem to me as if you are going from second or third hand reports, and not from the actual Church Teachings (for example, Jesus is sacrificed again at the mass). I would be more than happy to discuss Church teachings with you, but there must be ground rules attached. For example, one topic at a time, please. Even if you do not wish to correspomd with me, please do us all a favor and show us WHY something is not correct and not just make the statement.

To others on this forum,
Please be civil and kind to each other. We should preach the Gospel at all times and if nessisary use words (St. Francis).

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

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Originally Posted by CalmDownWisWins
You actually think that you’ve BEEN SAVED (past perfect) when you can’t know that until you’ve made the choice of God at your end!

And the Bible says that we can know.

Why should I take your word over God’s?

You CAN know! But only until you sin again.

You CAN’T be sure that you won’t sin again before you die, therefore you can’t be sure you will have been saved until you are in fact saved.

But, you’re not going to agree to that, and that’s off topic anyway, so we can agree to disagree about this for now.

If you really DID take God’s word over all others, including yourself, you’d understand how I can say what I do in this regard.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

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You pretend to know the future? That is “lying” at least (though more likely merely simple minded “wishful thinking”), if not actual “attempted sorcery”!

Wow. A Roman Catholic thinks God’s word is a lie. I’m shocked.

If you pretend to know what you can’t know, then that would be an untruth. But, once again, I’m not here to convince you of anything as you’re quite unconvincable.

 

[fbl9]

hi fredsmith St Luke writes chapter1:43 “and how have i deserved the mother of my Lord should come to me” sayiny you are not saved is not an insult but a correction to your way of thinking. by the same token if one is “saved” then one should have no desire to comit sin yet we still do. and the reason for this is we know not ourselves completely.

 

[FredSmith]

So now you’re giving classes like Catholics do?

No. Ours are based on God’s word.

That’s great. Really. First, you borrow our Bible. Then our Eucharist. Then our cross. All things Protestants refused before. Now, you are giving classes like we do.

It isn’t your Bible, it isn’t your cross and you can keep that abomination you call the Eucharist.

As for being nasty, I was very respectful to you in that post that you quoted me from.

You haven’t been respectful at all. You’ve been very rude, just as you’re continuing to do now.

The Holy Eucharist Ritual got whittled down to Crackers and Welches Grape Juice.

This coming from someone who believes that Jesus is a Saltine.

The Crucifix got whittled down to just a cross (which without Jesus is just a useless piece of wood).

According to the Bible, Jesus is no longer on the cross.

The classes? 9 months or not?

The classes themselves never stop.

I just got off the phone with my DCE and we’re adding two new classes.

If you can openly debate without getting offended or taking things personal, then we both will learn.

You won’t learn because you don’t want to learn. You just want to defend Roman Catholic heresy.

I think you’re just facing the “shock” of coming across Catholics who know their stuff Scripturally.

Actually, I still haven’t found a Roman Catholic who knows the Bible. Certainly I haven’t here.

Before thou judgeth others for their treatment of you,
think of what you may have said or done (passively) to incur their words.

I’m a Christian. Evidently, that’s enough.

Some of us are just plain nasty from the start (just as I’ve encountered on other Christian sites of the non-Catholic persuassion), but that’s human nature.

And if you were born again, you’d have a new nature.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

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Please do read up a bit on REAL theology before giving us the rather humorous image you present of your community.

And what is your background in theology?

I have no background in theology. Only a foreground. And it’s a lovely rather silky filter which clarifies my view quite nicely.

Do you suppose that anyone should be interested in YOUR background (or anyone’s) in theology other than that which you demonstrate by your language?

 

[FredSmith]

hi fredsmith St Luke writes chapter1:43 “and how have i deserved the mother of my Lord should come to me”

That’s right. It still does not say that Mary is the mother of God.

sayiny you are not saved is not an insult but a correction to your way of thinking.

And how arrogant must you be to believe that you need to “correct” God’s word?

by the same token if one is “saved” then one should have no desire to comit sin yet we still do. and the reason for this is we know not ourselves completely.

If you’re not born again, then all of the Roman Catholic rituals in the world aren’t going to help you.

 

[FredSmith]

I have no background in theology.

Then you’ve got no right to criticize mine.

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

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Thanks for yet another illuminating view into the protestant mind.

And thank you for yet another illuminating example of the rudeness of Roman Catholics.

The hyper-sensitive mind of the typical protestant shows itself any time something true but “not actually laudatory” is said about them.

I’m merely saying that you ARE being a “good protestant”, and typical, in your behavior.

I’m probably being a “typical” Catholic in my behavior, as seen by a “typical” protestant, and I’m quite OK with that!

I still thank you very much for your portrayal, and appreciate your honesty.

 

[fbl9]

hi fredsmith then who is St. Elizibeth"s Lord then. For Jesus is God and Lord of all. in replying to a listener on his radio program Dr. Charles Stanley stated that this person was still saved. this person accepted Jesus in his teen then fell into a sinful life which he has repented of. but according to Mr Stanley he was still “saved” even though he was in sin.

 

[cradlecathlic26]

Maybe this can help those who want to discover the truth…

1. The Blessed Virgin Mary – Her perpetual Virginity and Her place of honor
• Lk 1:28
• Lk 1:30, 34
• Lk 1:42
• Jn 19:26
• Gn 3:15
2. The Papacy – where is that in the Bible?
• Mt 16:18-19
• Lk 22:32
• Jn 20:23, 21:17
• Acts 1:13-26
• Acts 8:21
• Acts 15:7, 28
• 1 Tim 3:1, 8
• 1 Tim 5:17
3. The Bible and Tradition (why the “Bible alone” is anti-Scriptural)
• Mk 13:31
• Mk 16:15
• Jn 21:25
• Rom 10:17
• 1 Cor 11:2
• 2 Thess 2:15, 3:6
• 2 Tim 1:13, 2:2
• 2 Pet 1:20
4. Faith and Works - (not by faith alone)
• Mt 19:16-17
• Jn 14:15
• Rom 2:5-8
• 1 Cor 13:2
• Gal 5:6
• Eph 2:8-10
• Col 3:24-25
• Jam 2:24-26
• Rev 20:12-13
5. Eucharist – it’s Scriptural
• Mt 26:26
• Jn 1:29
• Jn 6:35-71
• 1 Cor 2:14-3:4
• 1 Cor 5:7, 10:16
• 1 Cor 11:23-29
• Ex 12:8, 46
6. Purgatory – it’s Scriptural, too
• Mt 5:26, 48
• Mt 12:32-36
• 1 Cor 3:15
• 1 Cor 15:29-30
• 2 Tim 1:16-18
• Jas 3:2
• 1 Pet 3:18-20, 4:6
• 1 Jn 5:16-17
• Rev 21-27
• 2 Macc 12:44-46
7. Mary and the Saints – why it’s okay to ask them to pray for us
• Lk 16:19-30
• Rom 8:35-39, 15:30
• 1 Cor 12:12-27
• Eph 6:18-19
• 1 Thess 1:5-8
• 1 Tim 2:1-7
• Heb 12:1, 13:7
• 1 Jn 3:2
• Gal 6:10
8. Reconciliation – why we go to a priest
• Mt 9:2-8
• Mt 18:18
• Jn 20:22-23
• 2 Cor 5:17-20
• Jas 5:13-16
• 1 Jn 5:16
9. Salvation (why “once saved, always saved” isn’t Biblical)• Mt 7:21, 10:22
• Rom 8:24, 11:22
• 1 Cor 9:27, 10:11-12
• Gal 5:4
• Eph 2:5,8
• Phil 2:12
• 2 Tim 1:9, 2:11-13
• Heb 10:26-27
• 1 Pet 1:9
10. The Priesthood – celibacy and why we call them “father”
• Mt 19:19
• Lk 14:26
• Acts 7:2
• Acts 21:40, 22:1
• Rom 4:16-17
• 1 Cor 4:14-15
• 1 Thess 2:11
• Heb 12:7-9
• 1 Jn 2:13-14
I hope this is helpful.

 

[mgrfin]

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Fred,

If we are so rude, why are you still here?

I really see your Christian charity in all your posts. Stop, please.

You are here to confront, to confound, to fight, to argue, to accuse, to confuse, to curse, to carp, to complain, to justify, to get even, even to lie, and to dissimulate - just to make yourself feel good.

It is a waste of time talking to you. How do you look at yourself in the mirror? This kind of stuff from you is what we can expect from the devil, to oppose Christ’s Church. It is kind of what Paul was doing before his conversion. There is still hope for you.

No matter what you say or do, we are still here, and will be here until Gabriel blows his horn. You are not ‘king of the hill’.

Credo… in unam, sanctam, catholicam, et apostolicam ecclesiam.

 

[AgnosTheist]

1. The Blessed Virgin Mary – Her perpetual Virginity and Her place of honor
• Lk 1:28
• Lk 1:30, 34
• Lk 1:42

“Place of Honor”, yes.

But “Perpetual Virginity”, NO. None of those verses give such a suggestion.

 

[whatisthetruth]

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Hi fbl9 and to whom this message may concern,

I am what you might call a bible believing evangelical Christian.

On behalf of all non catholics who have presented God’s wonderful gift of salvation in a way that would cause you or anyone to say the following…

oh good now that i am “saved” i can go rape and pillage to my hearts content with no fear.

may I offer my apology. You posted a smiley face and to tell you the truth I am because there was someone who probably gave you the impression of that is what salvation is about.

fbl9, I have to believe you do not mean a word of what I quoted you as saying. But I believe I can understand the reason for you stating what you did.

**Is it because a certain number of non catholics present salvation as once saved, one can sin at will?

Am I on target?

Like they have a free ticket to heaven?**

If that is the case and I am finding this out more and more throughout this community, there is a total misunderstanding of what salvation is.

I believe there is a big problem today, as Paul Washer said,

I believe the greatest heresy in the american evangelical protestant church is that if you prayed that Jesus Christ would come into your heart, He will definitely come in.

I addressed this very topic in post 106
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=206817&page=3

truth

 

[FredSmith]

Paul Washer is fantastic.