If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

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🙂 hi HanahLisa salvation is the call to God’s glory we can not yet achieve that call fully until one is safe in heaven. to be “saved” is to live in God"s -saving Grace- which we can depart from with intentional sin.
 
FredSmith said:
Is being rude all you can do?

I didn’t say you’re rude because you disagree with the Bible, I said you’re rude because you’re very rude.

But it isn’t based on the Bible. It’s completely anti-Biblical.
in context, where as, many Protestant beliefs are based on a handful of verses.[/quoet]
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onmyknees said:
Read John 5:16 regarding mortal verses venial sin. Venial means “pardonable”. Mortal means “deadly”. We work out our salvation in fear and trembling. You know that when we have faith and love we want to do works of charity for Jesus and our neighbors.
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thank you for taking your time and effort into both your posts:)

God bless you for the info
 
CalmDownWisWins said:
Fred, dude, is Jesus God or not?

Is (our Holy Mother) Mary the Mother of Jesus?
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Yes. Mary is the mother of Jesus’ human incarnation.
How is she NOT God’s mother?
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Because she was created by God.
Mary is the Mother of Jesus, not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit, but why should she be as those “non-Jesus” persons were not born of her? But she is the Mother of God the “Jesus-Guy”, which makes her the Mother of God, as Jesus is God.
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I see. So, is polytheism common among Roman Catholics?
Your “legalism” is typical of a school of thought, and sensible in it’s logic, but simply not true.
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I do not practice legalism.
Since you are errant due your not accepting proper authority, which only God can convince you of, you are both correct in your logic and wrong in your facts.
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I do accept proper authority. I just don’t believe that you’re the proper authority.

I agree that I am correct in my logic, but you have failed to show how the Bible’s facts are wrong.
 
whatisthetruth said:
God bless you Jimmy, I for one do not want to be argumentative, But I ahve been told meny of time here my beliefs are falliable,
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Only an “authority” can be either fallible or infallible.

Your beliefs, which means “what you understand as the items of your faith”, just like ours, can be either correct or incorrect (true or not).

If you set yourself up as “an authority”, then you CAN be either fallible or infallible. You most likely wouldn’t call yourself “infallible”, I would guess. 🙂

Since no Catholic is allowed, or for that matter WANTS, to set themselves up as “an authority”, we Catholic people don’t have the opportunity to BE infallible, and are entirely fallible in stating opinions (interpretations) as actual truths.

You probably think that NOTHING but God Himself can be infallible, which is also what Catholics believe, and in much the same way that you believe that (as via the actions of the Holy Spirit), but we insist that God speaks to us infallibly only through the agency of the Church (via the Holy Spirit) while you can communicate infallibly with God individually.

The consequences of those two views of how God accomplishes His will is what we see in the world today.
 
Hi all I cant find the post which inquired about me making reference to our inheritance awaiting us in heaven,

This is the verse I was referring
Matthew 25:34
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
Matthew 25:33-35
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FredSmith said:
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How is she NOT God’s mother?

Because she was created by God.
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Well, then we can agree that, “If being created by God prohibits one from being the mother of God, then Mary is not the mother of God”.

What Catholics know is that God is always indivisible. But we also know that Jesus is God while not also being the Father or the Holy Spirit.

These facts are utterly irreconcilable in human terms (by any human reasoning) but MUST both be true, otherwise God would be divisible in some way (a violation of “One God”) and/or Jesus would not be God (a violation of “True God of True God”).

Since it’s “permissible” for a protestant to value the “spiritual” over the “material”, as that’s kind of a “puritan thing”, it is permissible to say that it’s more important that Jesus be God than for God to be man, which is one of the two ways to reconcile, in human terms, the mystery of the incarnation.
 
FredSmith said:
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Mary is the Mother of Jesus, not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit, but why should she be as those “non-Jesus” persons were not born of her? But she is the Mother of God the “Jesus-Guy”, which makes her the Mother of God, as Jesus is God.

I see. So, is polytheism common among Roman Catholics?
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It’s nice to know there’s some “common ground” between “bible-believing protestants” and moslems! 🙂
 
🙂 well put calmdownwiswin now i can see where some of the ncc get some of thier ideas from. regarding the Holy Trinity. it is impossible for one on this earth to even remotely understand the depth of the union of the Trinity. it is one of those things one will be able to understand when one is finally and truely saved in heaven.
 
FredSmith said:
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Since you are errant due your not accepting proper authority, which only God can convince you of, you are both correct in your logic and wrong in your facts.

I do accept proper authority. I just don’t believe that you’re the proper authority.

I agree that I am correct in my logic, but you have failed to show how the Bible’s facts are wrong.
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I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but the bible’s facts are there in black and white (if one is using the right bible of course) and cn’t be wrong, with which I’m sure you’ll agree with me! It’s GOOD to agree on things! 🙂

But your interpretation of that which is written in the bible is “authorized” only by you yourself.

I don’t, and didn’t, claim to be a proper authority, and specifically said I wasn’t as no catholic CAN claim such a thing.

Who is your authority that declares your interpretations of the bible true?

You’ll most likely say “God”, and I’ll ask how it is that God can tell people who claim the same “right” (they are informed directly from God) who disagree about “truths revealed to them” can happen, where you’ll say that only “essential truths” are revealed and you’ve never run into a case where an “essential truth” differed between “bible-believing protestants”, whereupon some excuse will be found by you to not substantiate that claim, and we’ll part company without clarity as to your reasons for saying things that you can’t substantiate.

But, that’s a typical day in the life of the Catholic Answers Forums…
 
CalmDownWisWins said:
I’m sure you’ve heard this before, but the bible’s facts are there in black and white (if one is using the right bible of course) and cn’t be wrong, with which I’m sure you’ll agree with me! It’s GOOD to agree on things! 🙂

But your interpretation of that which is written in the bible is “authorized” only by you yourself.

I don’t, and didn’t, claim to be a proper authority, and specifically said I wasn’t as no catholic CAN claim such a thing.

Who is your authority that declares your interpretations of the bible true?

You’ll most likely say “God”, and I’ll ask how it is that God can tell people who claim the same “right” (they are informed directly from God) who disagree about “truths revealed to them” can happen, where you’ll say that only “essential truths” are revealed and you’ve never run into a case where an “essential truth” differed between “bible-believing protestants”, whereupon some excuse will be found by you to not substantiate that claim, and we’ll part company without clarity as to your reasons for saying things that you can’t substantiate.

But, that’s a typical day in the life of the Catholic Answers Forums…
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I don’t interpret the Bible. I just go by what the text says.
 
CalmDownWisWins said:
Well, then we can agree that, “If being created by God prohibits one from being the mother of God, then Mary is not the mother of God”.

What Catholics know is that God is always indivisible.
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If you believed that God is indivisable, then you wouldn’t be claiming that God the Father and God the Son are two different Gods.
 
cath0lic said:
My reason: The arrogance

Case in point…read the question and some delusional answers in this thread.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=212022
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Protestants LOVE to scream “ARROGANCE”, as it is thought by them that it “throws off the game” of others (Catholics) more than their own kind because they are more practiced in demonstrating it and defending themselves against that attack due to the interminable internal “arrogation” battles between the various protestant denominations.

So, yet another excellent example of not seeking understanding and replacing it with the search for (“arrogantly” unsupported) assertions of superiority.

At least we are MORE THAN HAPPY to support our actual superiority! 🙂
 
fbl9 said:
🙂 well put calmdownwiswin now i can see where some of the ncc get some of thier ideas from. regarding the Holy Trinity. it is impossible for one on this earth to even remotely understand the depth of the union of the Trinity. it is one of those things one will be able to understand when one is finally and truely saved in heaven.
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It’s that “finally and truely saved” thing, which protestants, via massive wishful thinking, replace with “assured salvation”, that powers all protestant justification of their views.

We are powered by the NEED for salvation, whereas they are powered by the need for ease, and denying the “body” as much as is unembarassingly possible while still appearing Christian, is the most acceptable of the two options in humanly reconciling the actually (Godly) unreconcilable truth, which “eases” the mind in the certainty of “personal fantasy”.

The other option, the preference of the body over the spiritual, is called the “church of atheistic materialism”, of course, and is the most fervent foe of the protestant, to the point of suggesting that there is a war between science and religion!

But that’s another topic entirely, so ignore that last sentence as irrelevent to where we are now, as I’d rather not be accused of “hijacking” any more than absolutely necessary, thank you very much, have a nice day, “…we don’t need to see their badges…” .
 
FredSmith said:
I don’t interpret the Bible. I just go by what the text says.
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Okey dokey then.

As you apparently have no idea of what “interpret” means, I’ll agree with you wholeheartedly that if “reading the bible” (ie "going by what the text says) means knowing that one by reading it understands in adequately-to-every aspect and in proper relation to all other “God given truth” it (the bible text) to mean, then I’m certainly not “reading the bible” in the correct way at all!

(( By the way, you might want to run a poll as to whether folks agree with you as to what “interpret” might mean, as well as what “going by what the [bible] text says” might also mean. It could be very enlightening for you. ))
 
FredSmith said:
Yes, we both disagree with Roman Catholicism’s polytheism.
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I thank you no end for your honesty!

I’m most impressed. Please remain in these forums as long as you can as you are most useful to everyone as an example, and may stumble upon what your behavior is trying to teach you.

Thanks again! Here’s to hoping you’re praying for us as well.
 
cath0lic said:
My reason: The arrogance
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Well, we all get a little ‘arrogant’ now and then, don’t we.

The Catholics here are not professional theologians, but they love their faith dearly, give them that.

I think your personal attack is arrogant, and I think hiding behine your namesake - ‘catholic’ - is a bit arrogant.

Now that we got the name calling out of the way, why don’t you give us your theological reasons, and not your ad hominem arguments.

peace
 
FredSmith said:
If you believed that God is indivisable, then you wouldn’t be claiming that God the Father and God the Son are two different Gods.
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Fred,

What Catholic is saying that God the Father, and God the Son are two different Gods?

We settled that problem at the Council of Nicea.

What are your reasons as a Christian for not being a Catholic?

You never answered my question as to what religion are you.

Are you “Christian”, Jewish, Protestant, Muslim, Eastern Orthodox, Buddist? What, please?

peace
peace
 
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