If you are a non-Catholic Christian (Protestant), here you can find 42 reasons why the Roman Catholic Church was right.

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This is not an arguement for the truth. Madaglan could respond with the same statement when you claim the pope has universal jurisdiction, ‘who do you think you are kidding?’ If you are going to oppose a statement by someone you should offer some kind of arguementation.
Jimmy, the POPE does have universal jurisdiction, he is the head of Christ’s Universal, Catholic Church, The 265th Pope going back to St. Peter. And I am NOT kidding, that is the truth, like it or not. The Bible was given to the Catholic Church, and it is ment to go hand in hand with the Sacred Tradition given to the Catholic Church by Jesus thru Peter and the Apostles.
When the Protestant reformation separated from the True Catholic Church and tried to use the Bible as their sole rule of faith, they have divided over and over again trying to figure out how to interpret it. There are well over 40,000 different protestant denominations in only 500 years and none of them have a real leader to try to keep them together. They are floundering and getting weaker all the time. They allow divorce and remarriage, even among their clergy, birth control, abortion and even homosexuality. That is NOT following what Christ taught us thru his Apostles and His Church.
Our Pope is the one that Jesus gave the KEYS to THE KINGDOM of Heaven, gave Peter the power to loose and bind,
Peter has authority over the Apostles, all you have to do is read the Acts of the Apostles and you will see that. HE gave the Apostles the power to forgive sins, gave them the power to teach in HIS name, all the truths HE gave taught them. And the Catholic Church still does that in spite of its weak and sinful members. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to protect HIS Church from ALL ERROR. And if you looked into the Church itself instead of keeping you nose in some of its sinful members, you will see that.

While the Catholic church regrets and asks forgiveness for its sinful members, it is NOT the cause of their sins, they have failed, NOT the Church. Even among the 12 Apostles that were chosen by Jesus Himself, one was a traitor. But that didn’t stop Jesus from founding HIS Church and giving it the power to Teach, Govern and Sanctify in HIS name. And NOTHING will stop Jesus’ Catholic Church from teaching HIS truths till the “End of Time”. 2,000 years of all the trials it has gone thru and still comes thru strong and true, ought to show us that Jesus ment what he said. “The Gates of HELL will NOT prevail against it.” Face it folks, the ONE, HOLY, Catholic and Apostolic Church is here to stay. and will be till the end of time.
 
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Jimmy_B said:
If you are a non-Catholic Christian (Protestant), here you can find 42 reasons why the Roman Catholic Church was right.

**Below is an extensive list of Bible (NAB) verses, with links, which support’s the Roman Catholic position on; **

The Communion of the Saints, Intercessory Prayer and as “Protestants” put it “praying to and for dead people”.

Any questions?

******1. ******1 Samuel 14:11
11 Accordingly, the two of them appeared before the outpost of the Philistines, who said, “Look, some Hebrews are coming out of the holes where they have been hiding.”

**2. **2 Kings 4:20, 32-33
20 The servant picked him up and carried him to his mother; he stayed with her until noon, when he died in her lap.

32 When Elisha reached the house, he found the boy lying dead.
33 He went in, closed the door on them both, and prayed to the LORD.

35 He arose,…

**3. **Job 42:8
8 3 Now, therefore, take seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up a holocaust for yourselves; and let my servant Job pray for you; for his prayer I will accept, not to punish you severely. For you have not spoken rightly concerning me, as has my servant Job."

**4. **Tobit 12:12
12 5 I can now tell you that when you, Tobit, and Sarah prayed, it was I who presented and read the record of your prayer before the Glory of the Lord; and I did the same thing when you used to bury the dead.

**5. **2 Maccabees 12:44
44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
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jimmy said:
You sound like a complete jerk memaw. Do you not see that? You should read the gospels. Gottle offered you some good arguements and you can only respond by calling him ‘pathetic’? You do not sound like a Christian at all.
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On re-reading the post the OP objected to, I could probably have made the same points (or some of them) more gently than I did :o So why don’t we forget all this unpleasantness, & move on 🙂 ?​

This is not an arguement for the truth. Madaglan could respond with the same statement when you claim the pope has universal jurisdiction, ‘who do you think you are kidding?’ If you are going to oppose a statement by someone you should offer some kind of arguementation.
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Gottle_of_Geer said:

**If you do know & understand it so well, why not instruct me so that I may see how treating non-Catholics decently is an offence against faith :rolleyes: ? **​

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I never said it was and I don’t believe anyone else has said that either. To disagree with what they say is one thing but to call names is another. what you said was and still is pathetic, (pitifully inadequate).
 
bengal_fan said:
i’m sorry but it takes at least 43 reasons to even get my attention. you need to come up with at least one more. 50 is a nice round number and that would appeal to me even more. 75 would probably go a long way to convincing me. 100 would just upend my entire world. :rolleyes:
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Get a copy of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” and you’'ll find all the reasons you need in there. Would be wonderful to be able to welcome you back home. You’ll not find Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament in a Protestant Church.
 
jimmy said:
You sound like a complete jerk memaw. Do you not see that? You should read the gospels. Gottle offered you some good arguements and you can only respond by calling him ‘pathetic’? You do not sound like a Christian at all.

This is not an arguement for the truth. Madaglan could respond with the same statement when you claim the pope has universal jurisdiction, ‘who do you think you are kidding?’ If you are going to oppose a statement by someone you should offer some kind of arguementation.
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You need to read past posts in order to get it, (read Post 61) now whose being pathetic and calling names.
 
Madaglan said:
The Roman Catholic Church *was *right, that is, until it ceased being Orthodox. 🙂
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The Roman Catholic Church hasn’t changed its Doctrine in 2,000 years but the Orthodox became schismatic 1,000 years ago.
 
<<<I encourage you to read Martin Luther’s letters to the Catholic Church and the Catholic response, it might surprise you.>>>

Where would a person find these letters?

Also, I found the posts with all those verses pretty thought provoking. I love anything that motivates me to dig further. 🙂

Don’t let the sarcastic criticism discourage you. SOME OF US like these type posts because we LIKE to THINK and SEARCH.
 
kaysette said:
<<<I encourage you to read Martin Luther’s letters to the Catholic Church and the Catholic response, it might surprise you.>>>

Where would a person find these letters?

Also, I found the posts with all those verses pretty thought provoking. I love anything that motivates me to dig further. 🙂

Don’t let the sarcastic criticism discourage you. SOME OF US like these type posts because we LIKE to THINK and SEARCH.
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Hello kaysette,

Here is a good place to start. This is the real Martin Luther, I will look for the other information that you asked for.

Peace 🙂
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:
…the Apostles did not preach intellectual certainty, but a Jesus Risen from the dead; they preached a Person, not a body of infallibly certain propositions. Claims to certainty can repel as well as attract.
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What are infallible certainties except ‘truth’?
To teach Jesus is to teach truth.
Jesus even called himself ‘truth’
You cannot state that the apostles taught about Jesus and the Catholic Church teach ‘a body of infallibly certain propositions’ (truth) and say they differ.

The church teaches and protects truth … even if some within have the darnedest time following those teachings.

Salut!

michel
 
cazayoux said:
What are infallible certainties except ‘truth’?
To teach Jesus is to teach truth.
Jesus even called himself ‘truth’
You cannot state that the apostles taught about Jesus and the Catholic Church teach ‘a body of infallibly certain propositions’ (truth) and say they differ.

The church teaches and protects truth … even if some within have the darnedest time following those teachings.

Salut!

michel
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AMEN!!!
 
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If you are a non-Catholic Christian (Protestant), here you can find 42 reasons why the Roman Catholic Church was right…
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**1. **1 Samuel 14:11
**2. **2 Kings 4:20, 32-33
**3. **Job 42:8
**4. **Tobit 12:12
**5. **2 Maccabees 12:44
**6. **2 Maccabbees 15:12-13
**7. **Wisdom 3:1-3
**8. **Matthew 22:23, 29
**9. **Matthew 17:1-3
**10. **Matthew 17:4
**11. **Mathew 27 51-5
12. ****Matthew 28:18.
**13. **Luke 15:7
**14. **Luke 20:38
**15. **John 11:25-26
**16. **Acts 9:36,37,40
**17. **James 5:14-19
**18. **Romans 8:37-39
**19. **Romans 15:30
**20. **1 Corinthians 12:12
**21. **Galatians 6:2, 10
**22. **Ephesians 1:22-23
**23. **Ephesians 3:14-15
**24. **Ephesians 4:3-4
**25. **Ephesians 5:30-32
**26. **Ephesians 6:18
**27. **Philippians 3:17
**28. **Colossians 1:17-19
**29. **Colossians 3:15
**30. **Colossians 4:3
**31. **1 Thessalonians 5:11, 25
**32. **2 Thessalonians 3:1, 7-9
**33. **1 Timothy 2:1
**24. **1 Timothy 5:5
**35. **2 Timothy 2:2
**36. **Hebrews 1:14
**37. **Hebrews 12:1, 22-23
**38. **Revelations 5:8
**39. **Revelations 6:9
**40. **Revelations 8:3-4
**41. **Revelations 19:10
**42. **Revelations 22:8-9
**I would like to hear the “official” non-Catholic, Protestant and/or “former Catholic” response to this, if there is one, my guess is that there are many different Protestant “twists” on this subject.

Is anyone here afraid of being guilty of the sin of apostasy or heresy?
 
The very title of this thread is wrong.

“Non-Catholic Christian” does not mean the same as “Protestant”.
 
Peter_J said:
The very title of this thread is wrong.

“Non-Catholic Christian” does not mean the same as “Protestant”.
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Hello Peter J,

Which, non-Catholic, Christian denominations are not Protestant? Most of them use the “King James Version Bible”, or a version of the Bible, based on the KJV, a Protestant Bible.

This question is for those people who use the KJV and whose beliefs are rooted, in one way or another, to the early “Protestant Movement”, after Reformation. Protestants are those who reject various aspects of Catholicism and instead, accept the flawed teachings of anti-Catholics like Luther and Calvin.

Protestants are the non-Catholic Christian descendants of Luther and Calvin and others, after Reformation. Protestants are “protesting” the Catholic Church by rejecting Christian truths found in Catholicism.

There are some Churches today, who claim to be Catholic and are not.

I hope this helps.

Peace 🙂
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hello Peter J,

Which, non-Catholic, Christian denominations are not Protestant?
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I’m glad you asked, even though it’s a little late. The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, PNCC, and Old Catholics are non-Catholic Christians who are not Protestant. (Next time, you should ask first, so you won’t go spreading false information.)
 
Peter_J said:
I’m glad you asked, even though it’s a little late. The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, PNCC, and Old Catholics are non-Catholic Christians who are not Protestant. (Next time, you should ask first, so you won’t go spreading false information.)
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Hello Peter J,

Thank you for your post but easy with the accusations, ok?

I’m not spreading any false informaton. I understand where you are coming from now but I don’t think that you know where I am coming from, I AM A ROMAN CATHOLIC.

The thread tile here is, “If you are a non-Catholic Christian (Protestant), here you can find 42 reasons why the Roman Catholic Church was right.”

If you aren’t a non-Catholic Christian (Protestant) then this question wouldn’t apply to you, or would it?..please explain yourself?

You have mentioned Catholic Churches here. I belong to the Roman Catholic Church, we have sister Churches who agree on most issues including the Sacraments and disagree on a few issues, like the Supremacy and Infallibility of the Roman Catholic Pope. These minor differences deserve a thread of their own.

I have used the term, “non-Catholic Christian, Protestant”, because there exists thousands of “non-Catholic Christian and Protestant” denominations here, who do not belong to the Catholic Church. There are too many of those to list by name.

However, not evey Christian denomination, which claims to be “Catholic” today, is in fact Catholic.

I hope this helps.

God Bless You! 🙂
 
Jimmy B,

The title of this thread implies that all Christians who aren’t Catholic are Protestant. This is false. The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, PNCC, and Old Catholics are non-Catholic Christians but they are not Protestant.
 
Peter_J said:
Jimmy B,

The title of this thread implies that all Christians who aren’t Catholic are Protestant. This is false. The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, PNCC, and Old Catholics are non-Catholic Christians but they are not Protestant.
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Peter J,

I KNOW THAT!!!

You are creating a disagreement where one doesn’t exist. I am obviously, not going to argue with you about things that we agree on, this is stupid….so we’re done here. Have a nice day, I’ll see you, on another thread.

Peace
 
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