Its hard to tell if you are been sarcastic or not over the internet so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you go and read what I said, I think you will find i never said what you seem to think I did.
Definitely agree with that, and if he is so bad that he cannot even be made fit for priestly ministry ever again it suggests he has some underlying issues that should have been spotted long before he received Holy Orders.
It sounds as if he never fully understood that the Priestly ministry is one of service, and not one of control
Yes, but all we need is Fr Guido Sarducci to teach us catechism.
No. Other people are not responsible for your judgementalism and the conclusions that *you *jump to about what *their *intentions are and what’s in their hearts. Furthermore, nobody else is responsible for how personally you take anyone else’s comments and nobody can make a person stay with or leave a church.oh…so we are not responsible for how we act…ok…great…got it…thanks. Now I can act any way I want.
This is exactly the issue.
Since I am from a tiny parish (about 80-100 on sunday morning), the priest is quite accessible to us. We take him to lunch and have him over for dinner quite often. You should hear of his stresses and strains, even though he gives it to the parishioners from the ambo. My family and I are no angels, as he knows from reconciliation, but some people in parish ministry drive him crazy! They take ownership. Extraordinary ministers are given instructions that Father has never seen! He then has to fire and replace them to keep even this tiny parish running smoothly. He surely thinks to himself as Jesus did when surveying the crowd: “And seeing the multitudes, he had compassion on them: because they were distressed, and lying like sheep that have no shepherd” (Matthew 9:36).I know some of us Catholics feel like it…
well…if you read any of my previous post…that was EXACTLY what drove me away from the faith. A holyier then thou attitude from my grandmother no less…I saw her decrie everything that she disagreed with and yet not love her neighbor…it’s not that she only thought she was better then me…but a lot of other people. Hmmmm…follow all the details…but forget to love your neighbor…hmmm…is one sin better then the other…
Let me get this straight. You were looking for someone to agree with you that it’s okay to miss Sunday once in a while? What next, someone to tell you stealing is okay once in a while too? Or premarital sex? None of us are in a position to allow you to do that, and please don’t blame us for it. Here most of the people here are looking for valid Masses to attend and get criticized for going to the “wrong” Mass, so you certainly are in the wrong forum if you want sympathy. You want someone to tell you that you will be saved by finding ways to avoid Mass, go talk to a bishop. But no doubt you’ll call me uncharitable for suggesting it.
The reason the Sunday obligation is called an obligation is because it is something we have to do. Its kind what an obligation is. The same holds for Holy Day of obligation. How do you expect to grow in the faith if you don’t even want to do the minimum? To grow in the faith, I would also recommend daily Mass and frequent confession.well…if you read any of my previous post…that was EXACTLY what drove me away from the faith. A holyier then thou attitude from my grandmother no less…I saw her decrie everything that she disagreed with and yet not love her neighbor…it’s not that she only thought she was better then me…but a lot of other people. Hmmmm…follow all the details…but forget to love your neighbor…hmmm…is one sin better then the other…
And I have seen it here a lot where people place their personal opinions above what the Church allows…to the point of obsurdity in my book. For example…just go look at the Missing Mass in the L&S forumn. Not only that but they make it sound like a fact…you can NEVER miss Sunday Mass…EVER… They never don’t what makes you think you can EVER…
I have nothing against people having opinions but they carry it so far as to make it sound like they know more then the Church. For someone coming into the faith…or new to the faith…it’s like…I can never miss Mass? Ever…? Which of course isn’t true and I just think we can explain Sunday obligation a whole lot better without the “I never miss Mass and neither should you” explaination. I know because I’ve been there. Now I get it…but it wasn’t BEAT into my by a whip. And you know what…now that I get it…and have prayed about it…not only do I make almost every Sunday but most of the weekday Masses as well.
And when I talk about Holier then thou…its a good check for everyone to have…including myself… You don’t think you’re responsible for how others percieve you? How about what is in your heart? You and I both know that pride and arrogance can quickly take over. Is it really wrong to question our motives???
My grandmother was so busy being right…that she never stopped…IN LOVE…to teach her granddaughter the beauty of the Catholic faith. So 20+ years later…it was a priest that taught me that…along with loving your neighbor and having mercy.
I just wonder how many other people are so caught up in things that they miss the bigger picture…and then they are praying for their family to come back to the faith.
It’s sad for both sides…is it not? I’m sorry if you can’t see it as a reminder to constantly have an examination of concience and motive.
I’m afraid you’ve entirely missed my point. Maybe I wasn’t writing clearly enough.well…if you read any of my previous post…that was EXACTLY what drove me away from the faith. A holyier then thou attitude from my grandmother no less…I saw her decrie everything that she disagreed with and yet not love her neighbor…it’s not that she only thought she was better then me…but a lot of other people. Hmmmm…follow all the details…but forget to love your neighbor…hmmm…is one sin better then the other…
And I have seen it here a lot where people place their personal opinions above what the Church allows…to the point of obsurdity in my book. For example…just go look at the Missing Mass in the L&S forumn. Not only that but they make it sound like a fact…you can NEVER miss Sunday Mass…EVER… They never don’t what makes you think you can EVER…
I have nothing against people having opinions but they carry it so far as to make it sound like they know more then the Church. For someone coming into the faith…or new to the faith…it’s like…I can never miss Mass? Ever…? Which of course isn’t true and I just think we can explain Sunday obligation a whole lot better without the “I never miss Mass and neither should you” explaination. I know because I’ve been there. Now I get it…but it wasn’t BEAT into my by a whip. And you know what…now that I get it…and have prayed about it…not only do I make almost every Sunday but most of the weekday Masses as well.
And when I talk about Holier then thou…its a good check for everyone to have…including myself… You don’t think you’re responsible for how others percieve you? How about what is in your heart? You and I both know that pride and arrogance can quickly take over. Is it really wrong to question our motives???
My grandmother was so busy being right…that she never stopped…IN LOVE…to teach her granddaughter the beauty of the Catholic faith. So 20+ years later…it was a priest that taught me that…along with loving your neighbor and having mercy.
I just wonder how many other people are so caught up in things that they miss the bigger picture…and then they are praying for their family to come back to the faith.
It’s sad for both sides…is it not? I’m sorry if you can’t see it as a reminder to constantly have an examination of concience and motive.
Yes, thank you this is exactly what I was trying to say.
I LOVED Father Guido. Thanks for the laughs & the memories.Yes, but all we need is Fr Guido Sarducci to teach us catechism.
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I’m kidding of course, but we do need to laugh sometimes.
You all miss my point…and perhaps didn’t READ the entire thing.
Actually, this is the First Precept of the Church:well…if you read any of my previous post…that was EXACTLY what drove me away from the faith. A holyier then thou attitude from my grandmother no less…I saw her decrie everything that she disagreed with and yet not love her neighbor…it’s not that she only thought she was better then me…but a lot of other people. Hmmmm…follow all the details…but forget to love your neighbor…hmmm…is one sin better then the other…
And I have seen it here a lot where people place their personal opinions above what the Church allows…to the point of obsurdity in my book. For example…just go look at the Missing Mass in the L&S forumn. Not only that but they make it sound like a fact…you can NEVER miss Sunday Mass…EVER… They never don’t what makes you think you can EVER…
I have nothing against people having opinions but they carry it so far as to make it sound like they know more then the Church.
Right. Assuming you are in good health, and that you have feet in your shoes, on Sundays and on Holy Days of Obligation, your feet should be conveying you to the nearest Catholic Church, in time for Mass.
Not all of us. Some of us hear what you are saying and understand that when people speak in absolutes to a person in some particular circumstances, it is like trying to shove a square peg in a round hold. Some will assume when you ask a legitimate question, such as when a dispensation might be applicable, that you are fishing for an excuse to miss Mass. Take their answers in the vein in which they are given; if they ignore what you clearly state, then disregard their answer. An issue like that should never be solved on a forum to begin with; it should be a matter of talking to your parish priest, explaining your circumstances, and asking him to help you resolve the conflicts. Posters are not your priest, and they are not showing you any respect, let alone Christian love when they pretend they can substitute their judgment for your priest, or that they can somehow steer you to a straight answer without knowing your particulars.
Ok…I broke my own rule…Actually, this is the First Precept of the Church:
**You shall attend Mass on every Sunday and on every Holy Day of Obligation. **
It’s very simple, very short, and does not admit of excuse-making.
Why should those who are trying to convey the teaching of the Church, in their own humble and imperfect ways, be required to back down and accept every excuse, when the Church herself does not?
Right. Assuming you are in good health, and that you have feet in your shoes, on Sundays and on Holy Days of Obligation, your feet should be conveying you to the nearest Catholic Church, in time for Mass.
Thank you for your good and wise advice. And your kindness.