M
Mi_Rose
Guest
You know when I was growing up in the fifties nobody ever said now that your brother is an altar boy he will consider the priesthood. The good old days weren’t that good.
If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?
- Status
P
Peeps
Guest
Yes, we should try, but it is the LORD who helps people to believe. The Holy Spirit moves to soften the hardest of hearts and open the most closed minds.
Interesting that you think certain “traditions” would make it easier for people to believe in Jesus.
My husband and I were travelling this weekend, and we attended a Catholic church that featured very modern architecture in and out of the building, a wonderful pianist who did a lot of improv during the very contemporary hymns, a drummer and guitarist, and a priest who literally danced down the aisle (carefully, as he was rather elderly) during the singing of that wonderful hymn, “Lord of the Dance.” Many of the people in the congregation were “into” the music, raising their hands and closing their eyes as they sang with all their hearts.
I cannot begin to tell you how much my husband and I were BLESSED and REFRESHED by this Mass and this church!
We LOVE our parish, and our priests and musicians, but we have become accustomed to a “middle of the road” Mass that features a few traditional hymns done on the organ and few contemporary hymns done on the piano, and a congregation that seems (on the surface–we know that appearances are deceptive) to be half-asleep.
But we really appreciated a chance to be part of a Mass where the music was great, the homily was well-thought out (with a weak delivery mainly because of the priest’s advanced age), and the people engaged.
What I’m trying to get across is “different strokes for different folks” We are loyal to the Catholic Church, but honestly, if our parish became too “traditional” in its Mass, we would probably transfer to a more contemporary parish because Latin prayers and chants and other traditional trappings just don’t make any sense to us at all, and leave us cold.
I appreciate that others feel the same way about contemporary music and “Lord of the Dance.”
Interesting that you think certain “traditions” would make it easier for people to believe in Jesus.
My husband and I were travelling this weekend, and we attended a Catholic church that featured very modern architecture in and out of the building, a wonderful pianist who did a lot of improv during the very contemporary hymns, a drummer and guitarist, and a priest who literally danced down the aisle (carefully, as he was rather elderly) during the singing of that wonderful hymn, “Lord of the Dance.” Many of the people in the congregation were “into” the music, raising their hands and closing their eyes as they sang with all their hearts.
I cannot begin to tell you how much my husband and I were BLESSED and REFRESHED by this Mass and this church!
We LOVE our parish, and our priests and musicians, but we have become accustomed to a “middle of the road” Mass that features a few traditional hymns done on the organ and few contemporary hymns done on the piano, and a congregation that seems (on the surface–we know that appearances are deceptive) to be half-asleep.
But we really appreciated a chance to be part of a Mass where the music was great, the homily was well-thought out (with a weak delivery mainly because of the priest’s advanced age), and the people engaged.
What I’m trying to get across is “different strokes for different folks” We are loyal to the Catholic Church, but honestly, if our parish became too “traditional” in its Mass, we would probably transfer to a more contemporary parish because Latin prayers and chants and other traditional trappings just don’t make any sense to us at all, and leave us cold.
I appreciate that others feel the same way about contemporary music and “Lord of the Dance.”
Last edited:
B
babochka
Guest
Byzantine parishes often have very young altar servers - I’ve seen as young as 3 or 4. Obviously, these boys are doing little but standing attentively and learning by observation. They might carry a candle in procession.
At the local FSSP parish, they are allowed to serve once they have received their First Communion.
Another local parish has established a minimum of 6th grade.
Here are the USCCB guidelines.
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-wor...ed-questions/guidelines-for-altar-servers.cfm
Number 6 states: “Servers should be mature enough to understand their responsibilities and to carry them out well and with appropriate reverence. They should have already received holy communion for the first time and normally receive the eucharist whenever they participate in the liturgy.”
I have a picture of one of my uncles serving the Mass when he was 8 years old. (It is written on the back of the picture - Philip serving Mass. 8 years old.) This would have been in 1949.
Last edited:
U
UltimateChikorita
Guest
Ad Orientam, Gregorian Chants, and communion in tongue. Add altar rails. Last Gospel should be there. No more handholding during the Our Father.
O
OraLabora
Guest
Bottom line, God didn’t give us a liturgy. He gave us sacraments. The Church gave us the liturgy, and through her Vicar of Christ and the Magisterium, she can and does change it over time. Some changes perhaps lurched into being more quickly than others. Besides the OF Mass (born of the Liturgical Movement more or less begun under Dom Prosper Guéranger at Solesmes in the mid-19th Century and thus really wasn’t as inorganic as you make it to be), the Breviary of Pius X of 1910 comes to mind as a sudden liturgical development. But even that was the product of some thinking going long before on the different realities of diocesan clergy and religious communities, with some experimentation before (e.g. the Quinonez psalter).
The Liturgy of the Hours can in fact be considered a further development from the Pius X breviary, and in fact other than the time over which the psalter was distributed (4 vs 1 week), it returned a few traditions broken by Pius X in his breviary.
The Liturgy of the Hours can in fact be considered a further development from the Pius X breviary, and in fact other than the time over which the psalter was distributed (4 vs 1 week), it returned a few traditions broken by Pius X in his breviary.
O
OraLabora
Guest
I have, and disagree.
Bye.
Bye.
M
MagdalenaRita
Guest
It all sounds like it was very entertaining.
I didn’t say traditions would make it easier for people to believe in Jesus, but believe in the True Presence of the Eucharist.Sacredness and reverence shown from a priest to the Eucharist encourages others to believe and understand the True Presence.
All the dancing, entertainment, handclapping and singing - no matter how loud - will never equal the worship Christ recieves when we participate in the Sacrifice of the Altar.
I find it sad that the “traditional trappings” as you put it, leave you cold. It makes me wonder, if you understand what is really happening at Mass, especially if you think people are half asleep rather than understanding that they are showing respect for what is happening at the altar.
I didn’t say traditions would make it easier for people to believe in Jesus, but believe in the True Presence of the Eucharist.Sacredness and reverence shown from a priest to the Eucharist encourages others to believe and understand the True Presence.
All the dancing, entertainment, handclapping and singing - no matter how loud - will never equal the worship Christ recieves when we participate in the Sacrifice of the Altar.
I find it sad that the “traditional trappings” as you put it, leave you cold. It makes me wonder, if you understand what is really happening at Mass, especially if you think people are half asleep rather than understanding that they are showing respect for what is happening at the altar.
Last edited:
A
anon10271182
Guest
In re the music, I’d start by banning some of the melodies I’ve heard lately underscoring the prayers. The Gloria should not sound like a Conga. The Our Father should not sound like a German drinking song, in polka timing no less! Ditto for any other musical innovations.
I’m not exaggerating, either. Wish I were.
I’m not exaggerating, either. Wish I were.
Last edited:
M
MagdalenaRita
Guest
That is too bad that no one ever mentioned that to your brother if he was an altar server. We need priests. Not every altar boy will become a priest but priests do often come from altar boys. Altar boys are the future of the Church.
“Ordinands of the Class of 2014 have been active in parish ministries, with eight in ten (80 percent) indicating they served as an altar server and about half (52 percent) report being a lector”
That is from the USCCB http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-te...class/upload/Class-of-2014-report-FINAL-2.pdf
I agree there never has been any good old days, there has been good and bad in every age.
God bless.
Last edited:
R
Ryan1
Guest
So children aged 7-12 can learn enough Latin to serve at the altar?
R
Ryan1
Guest
What was the homily about?
P
Peeps
Guest
We most certainly understand what is happening in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
We were Super-Protestants for the first 47 years of our lives, involved with our church 5/6 days/evenings a week, and also involved with many para-church organizations.
After a major upheaval in our church, we stopped “church” and for a year, we didn’t attend any church or read the Bible–we couldn’t bear it. I personally stopped trusting everyone at that point except my husband and children and my parents and parents-in-law.
After a year, I told my husband that we needed to heed Hebrews 10: 23-25, especially vs. 25. We decided to attend the Catholic church down the road from our house. We knew very little about Catholicism other than what we had read in various Evangelical Protestant apologetic works that treated Catholicism as a cult. BUT…we had spent many years actively working in various pro-life endeavors (including taking in women in crisis pregnancies), and we KNEW many Catholics and were convinced that they were truly Christian.
So we attended Mass. And the first time we were at Mass–an OF Mass in a very modern parish–we both RECOGNIZED the True Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. We KNEW He was there. We KNEW that the bread and wine were no longer mere food, but Christ Himself. And we KNEW that a non-bloody sacrifice was occurring on the altar. It was obvious, yes, even in that modern parish and the OF Mass.
This shook us to our very core, and we visited the priest and asked him to describe what was happening in every aspect of the Mass. He did so, and did a wonderful job of it. He recommended that we enroll in the parish’s Apologetic class, and we did so. We spent two years in that class until it was discontinued (the teachers moved out West).
The teachers were ex-Evangelical Protestants, and the husband had been a pastor in the Evangelical church that I grew up in. They KNEW their stuff, and their classes were full of Catholics and Protestants who hung on their every word. We read and studied many of the contemporary apologetic books while were in that class, including works by Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, David Curriie, Tom Howard, etc.–these are just a few of the books we studied (also listened to many CDs). We also did a study of the Early Church Fathers and read through excerpts from their writings.
So YES, we definitely know what is happening at any given moment of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
We were Super-Protestants for the first 47 years of our lives, involved with our church 5/6 days/evenings a week, and also involved with many para-church organizations.
After a major upheaval in our church, we stopped “church” and for a year, we didn’t attend any church or read the Bible–we couldn’t bear it. I personally stopped trusting everyone at that point except my husband and children and my parents and parents-in-law.
After a year, I told my husband that we needed to heed Hebrews 10: 23-25, especially vs. 25. We decided to attend the Catholic church down the road from our house. We knew very little about Catholicism other than what we had read in various Evangelical Protestant apologetic works that treated Catholicism as a cult. BUT…we had spent many years actively working in various pro-life endeavors (including taking in women in crisis pregnancies), and we KNEW many Catholics and were convinced that they were truly Christian.
So we attended Mass. And the first time we were at Mass–an OF Mass in a very modern parish–we both RECOGNIZED the True Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. We KNEW He was there. We KNEW that the bread and wine were no longer mere food, but Christ Himself. And we KNEW that a non-bloody sacrifice was occurring on the altar. It was obvious, yes, even in that modern parish and the OF Mass.
This shook us to our very core, and we visited the priest and asked him to describe what was happening in every aspect of the Mass. He did so, and did a wonderful job of it. He recommended that we enroll in the parish’s Apologetic class, and we did so. We spent two years in that class until it was discontinued (the teachers moved out West).
The teachers were ex-Evangelical Protestants, and the husband had been a pastor in the Evangelical church that I grew up in. They KNEW their stuff, and their classes were full of Catholics and Protestants who hung on their every word. We read and studied many of the contemporary apologetic books while were in that class, including works by Scott Hahn, Tim Staples, David Curriie, Tom Howard, etc.–these are just a few of the books we studied (also listened to many CDs). We also did a study of the Early Church Fathers and read through excerpts from their writings.
So YES, we definitely know what is happening at any given moment of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Last edited:
P
Peeps
Guest
(continued from last post)
I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but I think that Catholics who love the EF of the Mass should stop assuming that if people only understand that Mass makes Jesus Christ Truly Present and that Holy Communion is Jesus, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, that they would abandon the OF Mass and flock to the EF.
This is just not true, and EF devotees need to drop this idea.
As I said i an earlier post, yes, there are Catholics who have no clue what’s happening in the Mass, and many of these Catholics do indeed depart for Holy Roller Protestant assemblies that have lively music and preaching, and lots of friendly people.
But… there are many Catholics who totally understand what’s happening during the Sacrifice of the mass (actually, do any humans really totally understand God and His ways?). And they still choose to attend the OF Mass because they love it. And many of these Catholics also love singing good hymns, both traditional and contemporary, and they love modern architecture and rock instead of Bach, and a priest who delivers a pithy homily with a lot of animation. And friendly people with smiling faces and hospitable ways.
For whatever reason, when God creates us, He wires us all differently. It is not appropriate for us to question the way God makes us. Yes, some of it is nurture–we often love what we grew up with. But much of it is nature–God makes some of us “old souls,” and some of us “flower children” and some of us “Mr. Spock”–His Ways are wonderful!
Entertaining? That, frankly, is insulting to the priests of that parish that we visited, and it is insulting to Peeps and Mr. Peeps. Mass is not an entertainment, and while we’re at it, Protestant fellowships, including the lively non-denominational fellowships that feature a full-on praise and worship band, are NOT ENTERTAINMENT either, and it is WRONG to accuse fellow Christians of degrading the splendor and majesty of God by offering mere entertainment instead of worship.
I would not dream of questioning the motives and mindsets of Catholics who prefer the EF Mass. I occasionally play organ for our local EF parish (Institute of Christ the King)–I would never attend this Mass if I had the choice of attending an OF Mass instead, but I love many of the parishioners in that parish, and I love the Canon, and I fully support their choice to attend a traditional Latin Mass instead of modern OF Mass.
I would like to see those who love the EF Mass have the same attitude towards those of us who attend the OF Mass and prefer “modern” rather than “traditional”.
I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but I think that Catholics who love the EF of the Mass should stop assuming that if people only understand that Mass makes Jesus Christ Truly Present and that Holy Communion is Jesus, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, that they would abandon the OF Mass and flock to the EF.
This is just not true, and EF devotees need to drop this idea.
As I said i an earlier post, yes, there are Catholics who have no clue what’s happening in the Mass, and many of these Catholics do indeed depart for Holy Roller Protestant assemblies that have lively music and preaching, and lots of friendly people.
But… there are many Catholics who totally understand what’s happening during the Sacrifice of the mass (actually, do any humans really totally understand God and His ways?). And they still choose to attend the OF Mass because they love it. And many of these Catholics also love singing good hymns, both traditional and contemporary, and they love modern architecture and rock instead of Bach, and a priest who delivers a pithy homily with a lot of animation. And friendly people with smiling faces and hospitable ways.
For whatever reason, when God creates us, He wires us all differently. It is not appropriate for us to question the way God makes us. Yes, some of it is nurture–we often love what we grew up with. But much of it is nature–God makes some of us “old souls,” and some of us “flower children” and some of us “Mr. Spock”–His Ways are wonderful!
Entertaining? That, frankly, is insulting to the priests of that parish that we visited, and it is insulting to Peeps and Mr. Peeps. Mass is not an entertainment, and while we’re at it, Protestant fellowships, including the lively non-denominational fellowships that feature a full-on praise and worship band, are NOT ENTERTAINMENT either, and it is WRONG to accuse fellow Christians of degrading the splendor and majesty of God by offering mere entertainment instead of worship.
I would not dream of questioning the motives and mindsets of Catholics who prefer the EF Mass. I occasionally play organ for our local EF parish (Institute of Christ the King)–I would never attend this Mass if I had the choice of attending an OF Mass instead, but I love many of the parishioners in that parish, and I love the Canon, and I fully support their choice to attend a traditional Latin Mass instead of modern OF Mass.
I would like to see those who love the EF Mass have the same attitude towards those of us who attend the OF Mass and prefer “modern” rather than “traditional”.
F
Fauken
Guest
They generally start with smaller tasks, like holding the candles, bringing cruets to the priest during the Offeratory. The older, more experienced boys are the thurifers and the MC.
M
MagdalenaRita
Guest
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate hearing your story and I meant nothing harsh or critical and I am sorry if I insulted you and Mr. Peeps and evangelical protestants. It was not my intention.
I myself am an ex-evangelical protestant. Actually I grew up in the Catholic church and then attended evangelical curches for a very long time, so I understand how they work also. They do have a mixture of worship and entertainment as they understand worship different than Catholics. One evangelical church we attended for a time would need to bring out “Elvis Presley” to aid in the worship. (a singer would come out dressed like Elvis and we would be given tootsie roll pops or popcorn when entering the church). I was also told there that if I wasn’t singing loud, I wasn’t worshiping, so my point is they see worship different than Catholics.
Since returning to the Catholic church I can probbly count on one hand how many times I have heard a priest explain to the parishioners that they are receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. I had to figure that out on my own, which is why I understand that so many Catholics do not know the Real Presence is there because it took me years and years to figure it out.
I do not attend an EF Mass. I do not have one anywhere near me. I would if I could. We have some EF Masses once in a while as events but not on a regular basis. I am a traditional Catholic who loves the traditions of our Church and realized after returning what I had been searching for all my life but we attend an OF Mass, always have. Many traditional Catholics attend OF Masses, not just because that is what is there but because that is what they know.
Also, many that attend the EF Mass are not tradtional Catholics. They are just there because of it’s beauty.
One thing I have learned since returning to the Church is, if you wouldn’t do it at Calvary, don’t do it at Mass.
God bless and I think it is wonderful that you and your husband found your way to the Catholic church.
I myself am an ex-evangelical protestant. Actually I grew up in the Catholic church and then attended evangelical curches for a very long time, so I understand how they work also. They do have a mixture of worship and entertainment as they understand worship different than Catholics. One evangelical church we attended for a time would need to bring out “Elvis Presley” to aid in the worship. (a singer would come out dressed like Elvis and we would be given tootsie roll pops or popcorn when entering the church). I was also told there that if I wasn’t singing loud, I wasn’t worshiping, so my point is they see worship different than Catholics.
Since returning to the Catholic church I can probbly count on one hand how many times I have heard a priest explain to the parishioners that they are receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. I had to figure that out on my own, which is why I understand that so many Catholics do not know the Real Presence is there because it took me years and years to figure it out.
I do not attend an EF Mass. I do not have one anywhere near me. I would if I could. We have some EF Masses once in a while as events but not on a regular basis. I am a traditional Catholic who loves the traditions of our Church and realized after returning what I had been searching for all my life but we attend an OF Mass, always have. Many traditional Catholics attend OF Masses, not just because that is what is there but because that is what they know.
Also, many that attend the EF Mass are not tradtional Catholics. They are just there because of it’s beauty.
One thing I have learned since returning to the Church is, if you wouldn’t do it at Calvary, don’t do it at Mass.
God bless and I think it is wonderful that you and your husband found your way to the Catholic church.
Last edited:
A
Augustinian
Guest
I’m sure some young people of that age can.
But I don’t know how many parents would allow their 7 year old to go out in the pre-dawn hours to serve a 7 a.m. Mass. And its asking an awful lot of parents to take them to church at that time.
There are a number of factors
C
CilladeRoma
Guest
Did you really just say that your translation is better/more correct than the one on the Vatican website?
WOW, talk about hubris!
WOW, talk about hubris!
O
OraLabora
Guest
There’s always the monastic office if you want more.
BTW I do pray 2 hours a day using the LOTH, but chanted in Latin Gregorian chant. Matins (Office of Readings) 30 min; Lauds & Vespers 25 min each, T, S and N 10 min. each, and Compline 15 min.
The beauty of the LOTH is that if I can’t chant it because I’m traveling, or if I am too busy, it can be entirely done in much less time; plus it has the flexibility of allowing me to drop two of the little hours. And I’m not even clergy.
I see nothing wrong with the current calendar. Looking at this coming week, there’s one optional memorial, one mandatory memorial, and two feasts, and only two ordinary feria plus one Sunday in Ordinary Time. The memorials at least allow for the ferial psalter. The fact is that in the pre-1961 Office, the psalter wasn’t often completed in a week as the festival psalter was used so often.
I never, BTW, said “how can a priest possibly pray for 2 hours a day”, please don’t put words into my mouth. . I said that a 150 psalm psalter is not the answer for today’s context and yes I am well aware of how long it was before the Pius X psalter; it was in fact, Pius X who first recognized that secular and regular priests had different circumstances. What secular priests need today is flexibility, just as I, an oblate leading a secular life, needs flexibility. The LOTH allows me to stretch the office by chanting it and doing all the canonical hours, or shortening it by reciting it with two minor hours omitted.
Monastics are a different matter. The abbey I am attached to uses a 150 psalm monastic psalter, and with it, and the Mass, they pray 3h15 min per day of liturgical prayer on ordinary ferias. Note that liturgical prayer is not the only form of prayer that clerics engage in, and that includes secular priests.
BTW I do pray 2 hours a day using the LOTH, but chanted in Latin Gregorian chant. Matins (Office of Readings) 30 min; Lauds & Vespers 25 min each, T, S and N 10 min. each, and Compline 15 min.
The beauty of the LOTH is that if I can’t chant it because I’m traveling, or if I am too busy, it can be entirely done in much less time; plus it has the flexibility of allowing me to drop two of the little hours. And I’m not even clergy.
I see nothing wrong with the current calendar. Looking at this coming week, there’s one optional memorial, one mandatory memorial, and two feasts, and only two ordinary feria plus one Sunday in Ordinary Time. The memorials at least allow for the ferial psalter. The fact is that in the pre-1961 Office, the psalter wasn’t often completed in a week as the festival psalter was used so often.
I never, BTW, said “how can a priest possibly pray for 2 hours a day”, please don’t put words into my mouth. . I said that a 150 psalm psalter is not the answer for today’s context and yes I am well aware of how long it was before the Pius X psalter; it was in fact, Pius X who first recognized that secular and regular priests had different circumstances. What secular priests need today is flexibility, just as I, an oblate leading a secular life, needs flexibility. The LOTH allows me to stretch the office by chanting it and doing all the canonical hours, or shortening it by reciting it with two minor hours omitted.
Monastics are a different matter. The abbey I am attached to uses a 150 psalm monastic psalter, and with it, and the Mass, they pray 3h15 min per day of liturgical prayer on ordinary ferias. Note that liturgical prayer is not the only form of prayer that clerics engage in, and that includes secular priests.
Last edited:
B
babochka
Guest
Most parents these days would be reluctant to let their 13-or-14-year-old son get himself to Church on his own in the pre-dawn hours. It is sad, really, the loss of independence for our children.Ryan1:
I’m sure some young people of that age can.
But I don’t know how many parents would allow their 7 year old to go out in the pre-dawn hours to serve a 7 a.m. Mass. And its asking an awful lot of parents to take them to church at that time.
There are a number of factors
O
OraLabora
Guest
The monastic Office of St Benedict is 250 psalms per week… pretty hard to beat, it’s the same length as the Pius V Office though not identical. And it is still licit today in both pre- and post-Conciliar flavours.
No, I did not say that. And yes you are misinterpreting me. As I pointed out, I take 2 hours per day doing the LOTH. It can also be done in as little as 30-40 minutes.
My point is not time, it is flexibility. One can do like I, chant it at a meditative pace in my oratory, or quietly recite one of the major hours on a 15 minute bus or subway ride between sick calls.
Many were not fine with the Pius X breviary; it was as controversial in its time as the LOTH is now. Many have been fine with the current one for 40 years. Most people are fine with it. Some are not. Pope Emeritus gave us the flexibility to use either for those who want more. Or as I do when I want a bit more, I use the monastic office of the abbey I’m affiliated with, which I of course also pray when I am at the monastery for my work as a volunteer librarian there.
Fr. Bugnini was the head of a committee that designed the LOTH. Not all ideas were his. Moreover the committee sought (name removed by moderator)ut and tested the ideas, among religious and clergy, before arriving at a conclusion; moreover some changes, such as the abolition of imprecatory psalms and verses, were insisted upon by Bx Paul VI.
And it also made it accessible to the laity, who for the first time were encouraged to join regular and diocesan clergy in the prayer of the whole Church.
This is, perhaps, the greatest gift that the Church has given the laity in recent history, besides making the sacraments available.
I don’t presume to know better than the Church. As a Benedictine, I am obliged to obey her and her magisterium and holy father.
No, I did not say that. And yes you are misinterpreting me. As I pointed out, I take 2 hours per day doing the LOTH. It can also be done in as little as 30-40 minutes.
My point is not time, it is flexibility. One can do like I, chant it at a meditative pace in my oratory, or quietly recite one of the major hours on a 15 minute bus or subway ride between sick calls.
Many were not fine with the Pius X breviary; it was as controversial in its time as the LOTH is now. Many have been fine with the current one for 40 years. Most people are fine with it. Some are not. Pope Emeritus gave us the flexibility to use either for those who want more. Or as I do when I want a bit more, I use the monastic office of the abbey I’m affiliated with, which I of course also pray when I am at the monastery for my work as a volunteer librarian there.
Fr. Bugnini was the head of a committee that designed the LOTH. Not all ideas were his. Moreover the committee sought (name removed by moderator)ut and tested the ideas, among religious and clergy, before arriving at a conclusion; moreover some changes, such as the abolition of imprecatory psalms and verses, were insisted upon by Bx Paul VI.
And it also made it accessible to the laity, who for the first time were encouraged to join regular and diocesan clergy in the prayer of the whole Church.
This is, perhaps, the greatest gift that the Church has given the laity in recent history, besides making the sacraments available.
I don’t presume to know better than the Church. As a Benedictine, I am obliged to obey her and her magisterium and holy father.
Last edited:
- Status