If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?

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OraLabora said:
And it also made it accessible to the laity, who for the first time were encouraged to join regular and diocesan clergy in the prayer of the whole Church.

This is, perhaps, the greatest gift that the Church has given the laity in recent history, besides making the sacraments available.
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This. A hundred times.
 
Only one-

Return the Roman Offertory. Rid us of the Jewish blessing. That’s it.
 
The Pius X Breviary was also designed by a committee! And it thoroughly trashed the antiphonary, causing the loss of many traditional antiphons, as well as trashing other traditions such as the psalms of Compline and separating the three Laudate psalms at Lauds, the number of psalms at Matins.

A total of 75 old antiphons were lost and 154 modern ones composed.

Hardly a salute to tradition.

The new LOTH is far from perfect, but it is better for its intended use. The Pius X Breviary is fine for a chapter of clerics or religious communities in choir, and better for that use.
 
GrabEmAndBrag said:
Make it the Only Form, and shut down the FSSP.
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How would you see this kind of move as being a point of positivity?

Who would it benefit, and why do you think so?

Latin Mass attendance is only a tiny fraction of all Mass attendance, I don’t see it really hurting anyone.
 
I would do away with the entertainment persepctive. Priest would be ad orientum, so he is not our focus and we are not his focus and there would be no more clapping for musicians, altar servers (as we did this morning) and crispy creme donuts (which has happened).

In other words I would like to see more respect for the fact that we are at the Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
MagdalenaRita said:
there would be no more clapping for musicians, altar servers (as we did this morning) and crispy creme donuts (which has happened).
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I don’t think you can stop people from applause instantly- getting people used to a new paradigm will take time.

I would hope that you didn’t have donuts actually in church, a bit of a mess- nothing wrong with having them in the undercroft after mass.
 
That is probably true. Priest would need to stop using the few moments before the final blessing as a time for announcements.
Augustinian said:
I would hope that you didn’t have donuts actually in church, a bit of a mess- nothing wrong with having them in the undercroft after mass.
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Lol. Not in the Church. Just an announcment they were being sold.
 
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1975 was 43 years ago, are you sure it hasn’t changed since then?

Holding hands during the Our Father probably did originate in America, that’s what they do in Alcoholics Anonymous.
 
giuseppe96 said:
WARNING: This is my personal opinion, not an attack on the OF. Feel free to share your opinions, but please keep them rational. Don’t start any Vatican2 bashing or SSPX wars or this thread will be closed.

I myself would omit the Prayers of the Faithful, it feels tedious and drags out too long sometimes, I feel that’s what the Collect is for. I would also forbid communion in the hand, I’m afraid that’s where Satanists are getting sacred hosts for black masses. Encourage ad orientem worship. And prohibit parish announcements during Mass, honestly we have bulletins for a reason. These announcements kinda detract from the reverent atmosphere immediately after receiving communion
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Seriously, into the Extraordinary Form. …WHY?

Primarily because it is totally God-Centered -Worship

Which in turn lead to both a greater and a better Faith understanding

Fewer apostate catholics

More Priest and Religious

More frequent use of the Sacraments

And I do agree with you about Communion {Jesus Christ} being received in one’s hand.

God Bless you,
Patrick
 
Well hopefully they stop doing it there also. I have not experienced that though.

We have announcements before Mass and again during Mass.
 
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I find it interesting that most people who responded with their “proposed” changes would move in the direction of traditional practices, not modern/contemporary ones.
 
PJM said:
Seriously, into the Extraordinary Form. …WHY?

Primarily because it is totally God-Centered -Worship

Which in turn lead to both a greater and a better Faith understanding

Fewer apostate catholics

More Priest and Religious

More frequent use of the Sacraments

And I do agree with you about Communion {Jesus Christ} being received in one’s hand.

God Bless you,
Patrick
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Just because there were more priests and nuns when Latin Mass was the only Mass- doesn’t mean that was the cause for it. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation- the world is a lot different now than it was in the mid 1960’s in many different ways- not just the language Mass is said.

Frequent reception of Sacraments has actually increased since the 1960’s. In 2018, virtually every one in attendance at Mass receives communion. That was definitely not the case, not even close in the mid 60’s.
 
Interesting observation, and I think you’re right! Of course, isn’t this the “Traditional” section of CAF, which could mean that most people who are involved with this section lean towards traditional practices? It’s possible that many “contemporary” Catholics never bother to look at this section and don’t know that this thread is happening.

That being said–IF I could make changes to the Ordinary Form, I would establish the norm of having both a PRELUDE and a POSTLUDE played or sung at every Mass except during Advent and Lent.

The rubrics already allow this, but it’s seldom done. If I am playing, I almost always play a prelude, usually something meditative, and an organ postlude, usually something lively (a Bach piece if I have one worked up).

But after reading several years of CAF, I actually fear that I am doing something detestable to many Catholics, who see the time before AND after Mass as a time for silence in the nave so that they can pray.

Funny thing is, when I have visited the large Catholic parishes in the Big Cities (New York, Chicago), including the “traditional” parishes (e.g., St. John Cantius). they DO have long preludes and postludes on the organ and sometimes vocal pieces as well, and they’re beautiful and they definitely help get my mind turned towards reverence and worship.

But I feel guilty playing pieces like this at the parishes that I play for, because I’ve read so often on CAF that there should be SILENCE before and after Mass!

So I would establish once and for all that musical preludes and postludes ARE appropriate and welcome in the OF, and tell everyone that if they want silence, to come early before the prelude is played, and to stay late after the postlude is played.
 
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In my part of the world (Québec, Canada) I’ve never encountered hand-holding during the Lord’s Prayer, but the “orans” position is very common. I do neither, not being inclined to holding hands with strangers, nor being a priest.

I will confess to using the orans position, in private, when reciting the Divine Office in my private oratory.

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I like silence before and after Mass in church, but this refers to talking, not instrumental music. I don’t find the latter disruptive. Talking on the other hand is not only disruptive to others but disrespectful to the Blessed Sacrament before us, in my opinion. I wouldn’t worry about playing the preludes and postludes if I were you. In fact, if I were in a church where people talked, I would appreciate the organ to drown them out.
 
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