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ALLFORHIM
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HEHE I probably didnt see that part. I tend to do that you know miss words when I readSorry
"If you died right now, are you 100% sure you would go to Heaven? (St. Paul wasn't)
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HEHE I probably didnt see that part. I tend to do that you know miss words when I readSorry
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look3467
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Faith produces works
Works without faith is works without God in it.
Works produced by faith seek not it own glory
Where works without faith seeks its own glory
How can we test it to see of which it is?
When you work, expect nothing in return, then you shall know it is of God.
Peace>>>AJ
Works without faith is works without God in it.
Works produced by faith seek not it own glory
Where works without faith seeks its own glory
How can we test it to see of which it is?
When you work, expect nothing in return, then you shall know it is of God.
Peace>>>AJ
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ALLFORHIM
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AMEN!!!
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wcknight
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I am 100% certain in the mercy of God. How He judges me, I’m sure will be fair. And even though I may deserve punishment, I know He will keep His word and be merciful. That’s all any of us can hope for.
I believe Jesus,100% that those who eat His Body and drink His Blood will have life everlasting.
As far as being 100% sure, no one knows 100% until after they die. Maybe the atheist are right, then your 100% turns to zero. But then who cares, nothing is nothing.
I believe Jesus,100% that those who eat His Body and drink His Blood will have life everlasting.
As far as being 100% sure, no one knows 100% until after they die. Maybe the atheist are right, then your 100% turns to zero. But then who cares, nothing is nothing.
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look3467
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Be it as you see it, but Jesus does give assurances and promises.
Just one verse of many: Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
You and I have no power to save ourselves because the law was to strict, to harsh and there was not one soul that could meet the requirements of the whole law in order to gain salvation.
That is why God Himself in a body prepared for sacrifice, came Jesus who fulfilled the letter of the law and granted us all God’s righteousness as a way of passage into the heavens.
Your faith is sufficient to receive that wonderful gift of life, eternal life, and that being Christ coming into your heart and abiding there via the Holy Spirit who seals you up to the last day.
Therefore gird up your loin straps, lace up your boots, and armed with your salvation, go forth fearlessly helping out your neighbor.
Peace>>>AJ
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Lampo
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I was looking last night at particular passages that 100% contradict the false doctrine of “once saved always saved” and my list was enormous! I came to the conclusion that it is actually the whole Bible that contradicts it, but here are a few passages:
Romans 8:1-2
Romans 6:15-16
Matthew 5:27-30
Matthew 18:8-9
Matthew 13:40-42
Matthew 18:23-35 & Matthew 6:14-15
Romans 11:17-23
John 15:1-11
Galatians 5:1
Hebrews 6:4-8
James 5:19
Romans 7:15
Romans 12:21 & 15:15
Hebrews 10:26-29
1 Corinthians 6:18 & 11:17-22 & 15:12
Ephesians 4:25-32 & 5:5
James 2:1 & 4:1-4
Matthew 5:31-48 & 6:1-7
Colossians 3:25
1 Peter 1:1-2 & 2:1, 2 Peter 1:1 & 3:17
1 Corinthians 9:27
Matthew 10:22
Hebrews 10:35-36
Hebrews 12:1
Romans 8:24-25
Romans 15:13
Romans 5:2
Philippians 3:10-13
Some of those I listed because if OSAS is true, then they don’t make any sense.
Other verses that wouldn’t make sense if the OSAS view is true
2 Corinthians 13:5-6
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Philippians 2:12
Hebrews 4:1,11
Colossians 1:21-23
Revelation 20:15
Psalms 69:28
Revelation 3:1-5
Hebrews 10:38
Ezekiel 33:12-19
Ezekiel 18:21-24
1 Timothy 4:1
John 2:11 with John 6:16-22, 66
2 Timothy 3:16
Romans 8:1-2
Romans 6:15-16
Matthew 5:27-30
Matthew 18:8-9
Matthew 13:40-42
Matthew 18:23-35 & Matthew 6:14-15
Romans 11:17-23
John 15:1-11
Galatians 5:1
Hebrews 6:4-8
James 5:19
Romans 7:15
Romans 12:21 & 15:15
Hebrews 10:26-29
1 Corinthians 6:18 & 11:17-22 & 15:12
Ephesians 4:25-32 & 5:5
James 2:1 & 4:1-4
Matthew 5:31-48 & 6:1-7
Colossians 3:25
1 Peter 1:1-2 & 2:1, 2 Peter 1:1 & 3:17
1 Corinthians 9:27
Matthew 10:22
Hebrews 10:35-36
Hebrews 12:1
Romans 8:24-25
Romans 15:13
Romans 5:2
Philippians 3:10-13
Some of those I listed because if OSAS is true, then they don’t make any sense.
Other verses that wouldn’t make sense if the OSAS view is true
2 Corinthians 13:5-6
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Philippians 2:12
Hebrews 4:1,11
Colossians 1:21-23
Revelation 20:15
Psalms 69:28
Revelation 3:1-5
Hebrews 10:38
Ezekiel 33:12-19
Ezekiel 18:21-24
1 Timothy 4:1
John 2:11 with John 6:16-22, 66
2 Timothy 3:16
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wcknight
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Brother, you’re preaching to the choir. I believe in my salvation as much as anybody. My point is that no one not even you can ever be 100% sure. When you die, IF the atheists have it right. There is nothing. So no one really knows who’s right until afterwards. Anyone who claims they know for certain is only guessing. They have no more proof or knowledge than anyone else.
And of course even if we have it right, then the decision is of course up to God, NOT you or I. Yes, we do our best to live our faith but no one forces God to do anything. I don’t live in fear or doubt but I live with hope and trust in the Lord.
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look3467
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Well, wcknight, besides those verses, and considering the Old Testament, I find leading up to Christ the story of the creation of man, the fall of man, payment made and man redeemed.
If you look at that pattern, beginning with the eve of Friday at the Lords Supper in 4-6 hour periods, you will find those same four steps in perfect harmony with Jesus’ 1.creating the scene that must shortly take place, 2. shouldering the burden of the sins of the world (Fallen) 3. Judgment, His judgment in our place and 4. final payment by punishment, death.
By the way,the 6-day creation is also seen within that same day, and the Sabbath being the rest from all His works.
That ends the world as it was prior to Christ and the new one begins at the 1st day, or 8th day as the new creation.
The new one has no holding place to hold souls waiting to enter heaven because Christ holds the keys.
And to think that Jesus would die for only the good folk, and then wait till all humanity dies so that He could cast the rest of the non-believers to eternal separation is not what Jesus came to do.
What one needs to do in order to understand what all God accomplished in all that He did, must needs for one to study the old Testament to find out why Jesus had to come in the first place.
Then add Jesus to that accomplishment and you will have your direct answer to onces saved always saved.
I have no doubt in my mind because I know why He came. Knowing that and the promises He gave, confirm it in me by the Holy Spirit.
Just what does that do for me? Well,I can rest from my fears of not making it.
I can rest from the fears of others not making it.
And I am free to love as much as I want, help as much as I want, to give up my life for someone if I want.
To treat everybody as my brother and sister regardless of what they believe.
God is greater than what we think. We limit God to our own perceptions, we box Him up in our types of boxes and decide that He should only save the good folk and the rest of them condemned to hell.
If you were to take religion out of the equation, and follow your own heart, truly, God would be in you.
You know the Jews were the chosen to introduce God to mankind right? The rest of the world had not a prayer.
But here is what is said of the rest of the world: Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
What difference were they from the Jews except they didn’t know who God was?
Jesus came to save not the Jews only, but the Gentiles as well to where Paul says: Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
So, my brother, remain a Catholic, love the Lord your God with all your mind, heart and soul, and love your neighbor as you love your self, and you will have complied with the whole letter of the law.
Jesus enabled you to do so.
Peace>>>AJ
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goofyjim
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I would go to purgatory but then those from purgatory all go to heaven don’t they?
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look3467
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The holding place I believe might be misconstrued as purgatory, a place where souls were held awaiting the coming of Jesus.
But look, I have no problem if you want to believe in purgatory, but personally, I rather have a straight one way ticket, knowing that when that soul train comes around, I will board it straight to heaven.
Trust in Jesus as your God, for He loved you so much that He provided you with salvation by giving His Son a ransom for us.
Take it, and apply it to your life, richly blessings others as you go, and don’t worry if you fall down every now and then, for God is a loving parent that picks up up over and over again to our feet.
One thing to remember, is to learn from our mistakes.
Peace>>>AJ
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distracted
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Very good point. Have you gone to the thread: Most People Go to Hell? frankly, i feel a lot of people are saying “Heaven can wait…” and opting for (they hope) Purgatory - whether they realize it fully or not. In other words, they know they can do better n their Christian walk but instead they compromise here, cut corners there, all with the thought that God is “merciful” & forgives. Well, He is/does, but i say that God’s mercy is entirely beside the point. God doesn’t force Himself or his holiness (or forgiveness) on anyone. If you don’t enter into holiness in this life, you won’t be able to when you die… Jesus said that “many will attempt to enter Heaven but will not be able”. It is sin & its horrible consequences that will cause them to be so disabled…I had a priest tell me once our objective should be to shoot for Heaven. If we shoot for Heaven and we miss, hopefully we’ll land in purgatory. But if we shoot for purgatory and miss…well it won’t be pretty. So, we might better aim a little higher.
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distracted
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You have no way of knowing if you are going to Heaven, much less that you are going there directly…
Yes, but we have to “apply” Jesus to our lives, to every aspect of what we do and say… do everything He commanded, not just what we choose… What about Mark 10:17… where Jesus tells us to give up everything to follow Him… Do many people do that? Do you? What about “Be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect”. Are you perfect already? Even if you could honestly say Yes to that, you more than likely wouldn’t be able to say it tomorrow…
Bad advice… very bad advice. We should do nothing BUT “worry” about it… so to speak. we should take it to the priest in confession, then make reparation… (prayer, Scripture reading, daily Mass… the rosary, charitable works etc…) People don’t “worry” enough about the thing they *most *need to worry about… the difficult task of getting into Heaven. And it gets more difficult the older one gets… The longer you live, the more sins you commit, the more complacent you get… etc…
Children don’t go to Hell… so we should try to be like them… as Jesus said…
Amen to that.
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distracted
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Yes… but the saints tell us that Purgatory is very painful and the average stay is about 40 year. Who wants to basically be in Hell for 40 years? One saint said that to wait till the next life to do your penance/purification is like paying a million dollars for what you could have gotten for a penny. If our sufferings that we offer up in this life… and all the reparations we do (etc) are only equal to a “penny”… that tells you how terrible Purgatoyr is.
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Singinbeauty
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The first thought in my head…
Philippians 4:6-7 (New International Version):
We are TOLD not to worry… But to pray.
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look3467
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I am not waiting or ah hoping, to be saved, I am saved period.
What I do now is work out the benefits of being saved.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
If I am not saved, (I do not see it) then I would hope to be saved, but if I know I am saved, (I see it) why should I yet hope?
Either you believe in it and hope no more, or you don’t, and yet hope.
What it really means is that to accept Jesus as your trusted Savior, you must be willing to give this life up.
Or in other words, this material world means nothing when it comes to Christ, but yet, you still have to live in it but with a new mind.
Why worry, be happy as the song goes, because Jesus’ got you by the hand and won’t let you go, even if you loose your grip on Him.
If you so desire, continue doing what you are doing for in your mind that is worthy.
I live each day knowing Jesus knows my every thought and am confident that He will tell me when I’ve been a naughty boy.
It’s Called: convictions.
God knew you could never be good enough to save yourself, so He did it for you.
Peace>>>AJ
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Gottle_of_Geer
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“Because we are sinners, we trust in Your Mercy and Love” 
- which is very odd indeed; & most necessary.
So I believe that OSAS is true, & profoundly so. Not because we are anything, but because we are nothing (which IIRC is accurate physics too ) What I don’t believe is that God is capable of being untrue to His own sworn, unbreakable promise (see Hebrews 6.14 for why). Man lies, satan deceives - but God cannot do either.That man can turn the grace and truth of God into a lie, and does so, is not a reason to disbelieve what the Father has said through & in His own Incarnate Word. Man is dust and ashes, unclean, unholy, evil-hearted - man cannot do anything else but produce sin; it is not man, the slave of the devil & enemy of God, who is Holy; it’s God Who is. Man is totally corrupt - so he hates & kills even God, given the opportunity. It is not man who gives life, who is good - but God & God alone. He can & ought always to be trusted; not to do so, is sinful. And we are not to do that, but to believe, to trust
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goofyjim
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Believe me I do plenty of suffering here. Just try having a pscyhiatric disability. That’s suffering enough.Yes… but the saints tell us that Purgatory is very painful and the average stay is about 40 year. Who wants to basically be in Hell for 40 years? One saint said that to wait till the next life to do your penance/purification is like paying a million dollars for what you could have gotten for a penny. If our sufferings that we offer up in this life… and all the reparations we do (etc) are only equal to a “penny”… that tells you how terrible Purgatoyr is.
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flyersfan1088
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I wonder why no response has been made addressing post #126 yet? I’ve noticed posts like that are usually ignored. If they ARE addressed, it’s usually to say that we don’t correctly understand the vast numbers of verses refuting OSAS.
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look3467
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First two verses: Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
First of all all are condemned to eternasl separation.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
What it simply means that once we see Christ as our Savior, we are no longer under condemnation.
For the Spirit of the law, Jesus, had made me free from sin and death.
If He says I’m free, then I am free! No gray areas.
Either I believe it and go on to live my new life or, I remain under bondage.
Peace>>>AJ
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Lampo
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This needs to be kept in context. Here’s a scenario: My boss comes to me and says that he needs for me to write a proposal for a grant that we need and it due by the end of the day. I could tell that he is very nervous and anxious about this. I tell him, “Don’t worry about anything, I will get it done.” Does this mean that now my boss doesn’t have to worry about ANYTHING IN LIFE? Or does it just mean that he doesn’t have to worry about me not getting the proposal written?
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