"If you died right now, are you 100% sure you would go to Heaven? (St. Paul wasn't)

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He may have forgiven them but most of them did not accept his forgiveness. So chances are many of those are not in heaven. Forgiveness was given but they chose not to receive. As my dad used to say “You can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink!”>>>LegoGE1947
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Forgiveness was given without acceptance! Can you see how that works?

You see, in order to reverse the “lost” condition mankind was placed in because of knowledge of good and evil, God had to make the sacrifice offering Himself because mankind being a creature of His creation were and are still powerless to fulfill all that God requires to enter heaven.

God then sends His Son to fulfill that requirement for us in the form of forgiveness generated by love for His creatures of His creation.

Being that forgiveness came to mankind from above, it only stands to reason that God forgave all mankind (Both the just and the unjust alike) in order for mankind to have access to heaven.

That is a great mystery, how God could and would forgive the unjust!

If you look at the bible as a whole, you will see that the theme of the whole is not about mankind, but about how God created and saved His own creation.

It is about Gods wonderful works, and how He worked them with us in mind.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Lampo said:
When you say that you have absolute assurance that if you died right now that you would go to Heaven isn’t that flying in the face of Scripture? Particularly this one?: “I do not judge myself. I do not know of anything against myself, but that does not mean that I am acquitted. The Lord is the one who judges me.” - 1 Cor.4:3-4

Aren’t you judging yourself when you say that you have absolute assurance of your salvation if you were to die right now that you’d go to Heaven?
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My own judgment has to do with my behavior as a child of God.
He saved me from the state of eternal non-existence of which only He alone could do.

He gave me the privilege to exercises His attributes in an environment not conducive to good works, that by His grace and love in us we would in Him produce good works.

I am saved by Jesus’ sacrifice to eternal life as I was once dead in spirit until I saw the light of Jesus shine upon my heart to life everlasting.

My assurance is sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise of life granted me as a free gift.

Now, in appreciation for the love and forgiveness given me, I choose to live just, love just and enjoy the benefits of my new found life in Christ for His Glory, Honor and Praise!!!

I have worked out my salvation by first receiving it, as like being a new born babe, in the dark about knowledge of Him, and then growing into the glorious light of His salvation to wards maturity of His word to where I now am.

You now hear me give glory and honor and praise to the God of my salvation, the Captain of my soul, the lover of my soul, my redeemer and friend, my ever present God in Spirit of which I now live to love as He loved without condemnation of any of His creatures.

2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

In myself, I am powerless and without strenght, but in Jesus, I am made whole, meaning that I no longer worry about my salvation, only in doing what is good and right living for His sake and not my own.

I am no saint by any means, but am totally at rest in Jesus hands for my soul.

Can you see what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ
 
distracted said:
to sin is to say NO to God and his will… whether we mean to say NO or not… Intentions don’t get us to Heaven… only doing the actual will of God gets us there…

(though this is not to discount his mercy… otherwise known as Purgatory)…
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I would like to present the view that God does the saving and has nothing to do with our own efforts.

If, our good efforts were a condition for salvation, we would first not be able to attain the perfection required by the law of Moses (Ten Commandments) and second, Jesus would have no need to offer Himself in our behalf.

Think about it and dwell upon it with prayer for clarification from God.

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467 said:
My own judgment has to do with my behavior as a child of God.
He saved me from the state of eternal non-existence of which only He alone could do.
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This makes absolutely no sense!
look3467 said:
He gave me the privilege to exercises His attributes in an environment not conducive to good works, that by His grace and love in us we would in Him produce good works.

I am saved by Jesus’ sacrifice to eternal life as I was once dead in spirit until I saw the light of Jesus shine upon my heart to life everlasting.

My assurance is sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise of life granted me as a free gift.

Now, in appreciation for the love and forgiveness given me, I choose to live just, love just and enjoy the benefits of my new found life in Christ for His Glory, Honor and Praise!!!

I have worked out my salvation by first receiving it, as like being a new born babe, in the dark about knowledge of Him, and then growing into the glorious light of His salvation to wards maturity of His word to where I now am.

You now hear me give glory and honor and praise to the God of my salvation, the Captain of my soul, the lover of my soul, my redeemer and friend, my ever present God in Spirit of which I now live to love as He loved without condemnation of any of His creatures.

2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

In myself, I am powerless and without strenght, but in Jesus, I am made whole, meaning that I no longer worry about my salvation, only in doing what is good and right living for His sake and not my own.

I am no saint by any means, but am totally at rest in Jesus hands for my soul.

Can you see what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ
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Unbelievable.
 
Lampo said:
Jeesh! I can’t take it anymore. Sorry to have wasted your time. Your statement boggles my mind and frustrates me at the same time. I just don’t understand why people actually believe that one can die while in the state of rejecting God yet still go to Heaven. It’s utterly unbelievable!
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More than unbelievable, it’s absurd!
 
look3467 said:
My own judgment has to do with my behavior as a child of God.
He saved me from the state of eternal non-existence of which only He alone could do.

He gave me the privilege to exercises His attributes in an environment not conducive to good works, that by His grace and love in us we would in Him produce good works.

I am saved by Jesus’ sacrifice to eternal life as I was once dead in spirit until I saw the light of Jesus shine upon my heart to life everlasting.

My assurance is sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise of life granted me as a free gift.

Now, in appreciation for the love and forgiveness given me, I choose to live just, love just and enjoy the benefits of my new found life in Christ for His Glory, Honor and Praise!!!

I have worked out my salvation by first receiving it, as like being a new born babe, in the dark about knowledge of Him, and then growing into the glorious light of His salvation to wards maturity of His word to where I now am.

You now hear me give glory and honor and praise to the God of my salvation, the Captain of my soul, the lover of my soul, my redeemer and friend, my ever present God in Spirit of which I now live to love as He loved without condemnation of any of His creatures.

2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

In myself, I am powerless and without strenght, but in Jesus, I am made whole, meaning that I no longer worry about my salvation, only in doing what is good and right living for His sake and not my own.

I am no saint by any means, but am totally at rest in Jesus hands for my soul.

Can you see what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ
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This is like saying you can remain happily married while cheating on your spouse! Now I have this bridge in New York City that just happens to be for sale…
 
LegoGE1947 said:
This is like saying you can remain happily married while cheating on your spouse! Now I have this bridge in New York City that just happens to be for sale…
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I could cheat on my wife if I desired. But what constrains me is the love for God first than for my wife.

I constrain myself because of “a want to” and not because of a “need to”.
The former falls under grace (Free will) and the latter falls under a law, bound and slave to.

If I fail in my walk with God, I do it at my own expanse and subject to my own consequences.

My soul still belongs to the one who purchased it with His blood.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Either I take God at His word or try it on my own.

I know myself, therefore, I trust in the word of God.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Now I have this bridge in New York City that just happens to be for sale…>>>LegoGE1947
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Thanks, for the offer, but the gap between heaven and hell has already been “bridged” for me and have no need for a physical earthly bridge.

Here’s the bridge I bought into which was offered free of charge to boot!
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hath delivered, doth deliver and yet deliver in whom I place my trust in.

2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

How can anyone not appreciate so great a gift? It seems to me that the attitude would change to that of a desire to please God from the depths of one’s soul.

The love for God drives me to be faithful to my wife!

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467 said:
Forgiveness was given without acceptance! Can you see how that works?

You see, in order to reverse the “lost” condition mankind was placed in because of knowledge of good and evil, God had to make the sacrifice offering Himself because mankind being a creature of His creation were and are still powerless to fulfill all that God requires to enter heaven.

God then sends His Son to fulfill that requirement for us in the form of forgiveness generated by love for His creatures of His creation.

Being that forgiveness came to mankind from above, it only stands to reason that God forgave all mankind (Both the just and the unjust alike) in order for mankind to have access to heaven.

That is a great mystery, how God could and would forgive the unjust!

If you look at the bible as a whole, you will see that the theme of the whole is not about mankind, but about how God created and saved His own creation.

It is about Gods wonderful works, and how He worked them with us in mind.

Peace>>>AJ
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All well and good, but we still have to accept or reject God’s forgiveness. Salvation is a joint venture: God does the forgiving but it is up to us as individuals whether we accept or reject that forgiveness. And God, gentleman that He is, will allow whatever we decide, but he will also allow us to live with the consequences of that decision. He will not violate our free will.
When He saves us, he does not take that gift of free will away. That’s what separates us from all lower life forms.
A good example is birds: this time of year birds fly south for the winter. But they do so because they are programmed to do so, they have no choice. Humans can fly south for the winter too, but they have to make a conscious choice to go to the travel agent, buy a ticket, and then board the airplane for the trip south. Just so, we humans have the choice whether we will serve God or not.
That’s just the way it is, whether we believe it or not.
 
look3467 said:
Thanks, for the offer, but the gap between heaven and hell has already been “bridged” for me and have no need for a physical earthly bridge.

Here’s the bridge I bought into which was offered free of charge to boot!
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hath delivered, doth deliver and yet deliver in whom I place my trust in.

2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

How can anyone not appreciate so great a gift? It seems to me that the attitude would change to that of a desire to please God from the depths of one’s soul.

The love for God drives me to be faithful to my wife!

Peace>>>AJ
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What about love for your wife? That has to enter the equation too.
 
look3467 said:
My own judgment has to do with my behavior as a child of God.
He saved me from the state of eternal non-existence of which only He alone could do.

He gave me the privilege to exercises His attributes in an environment not conducive to good works, that by His grace and love in us we would in Him produce good works.

I am saved by Jesus’ sacrifice to eternal life as I was once dead in spirit until I saw the light of Jesus shine upon my heart to life everlasting.

My assurance is sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise of life granted me as a free gift.

Now, in appreciation for the love and forgiveness given me, I choose to live just, love just and enjoy the benefits of my new found life in Christ for His Glory, Honor and Praise!!!

I have worked out my salvation by first receiving it, as like being a new born babe, in the dark about knowledge of Him, and then growing into the glorious light of His salvation to wards maturity of His word to where I now am.

You now hear me give glory and honor and praise to the God of my salvation, the Captain of my soul, the lover of my soul, my redeemer and friend, my ever present God in Spirit of which I now live to love as He loved without condemnation of any of His creatures.

2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

In myself, I am powerless and without strenght, but in Jesus, I am made whole, meaning that I no longer worry about my salvation, only in doing what is good and right living for His sake and not my own.

I am no saint by any means, but am totally at rest in Jesus hands for my soul.

Can you see what I mean?

Peace>>>AJ
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There is such a thing as presuming on the grace of God which is the spiritual equivalent of Russian Roulette.
 
LegoGE1947 said:
There is such a thing as presuming on the grace of God which is the spiritual equivalent of Russian Roulette.
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No Russian roulette being played with my soul here!
I am deadly serious about my assurance of my salvation.

I approch boldly the throne of grace as promised me and granted.

by faith in the Son of God.

There are no other options!

Peace>>>AJ
 
look3467 said:
Thanks, for the offer, but the gap between heaven and hell has already been “bridged” for me and have no need for a physical earthly bridge.

Here’s the bridge I bought into which was offered free of charge to boot!
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Hath delivered, doth deliver and yet deliver in whom I place my trust in.

2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

How can anyone not appreciate so great a gift? It seems to me that the attitude would change to that of a desire to please God from the depths of one’s soul.

The love for God drives me to be faithful to my wife!

Peace>>>AJ
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No one ever said that it didn’t and I’m sorry if I even implied so. Deliverance from sin is THE greatest gift. But that’s no saying that, like any other gift, it can’t be misused, or lost or misplaced through human negligence. I know that God is more than able to keep us on the straight and narrow or if we should stray to put us right. But we, as rational creatures, need to cooperate with His wooing us to Himself. As I said before, we are not robots, neither before or after being saved. His love demands that He allow us the freedom to say “yes” or “no” to his offer of eternal life and to enjoy or endure the consequences of that choice. By the way I’m of an evangelical background and so I have heard and experienced just about every argument in the book. You are aware, are you not, that in protestant circles there basically two schools of thought regarding personal salvation. 1) The Calvinist, which exalts the sovereignty of God, sometimes to excess. and 2) The Arminian, which admits that God is sovereign but also allows for human free-will. While there are no doubt excesses on either side both sides have their points which should be considered.
Peace

Lego1947
 
look3467 said:
No Russian roulette being played with my soul here!
I am deadly serious about my assurance of my salvation.

I approch boldly the throne of grace as promised me and granted.

by faith in the Son of God.

There are no other options!

Peace>>>AJ
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There are people, however, who come to the altar, pray the sinner’s prayer and get all goose bumps and cry tears, and then go out and back to acting like the devil. Then presume that, because they went through all those motions, they can do whatever they want and still approach a Holy God at the end of this journey we call life! Something, you’ll have to admit, is wrong with that picture!
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/peace

yap 😃

God promised paradise for those who worhip one God only.

Many Muslim sinners will go to hell on the last day. After spending some days/ months/years in fire , those Muslims who did not take deity besides God will come out & enter paradise.

Unfortunately If I have to go to fire on the last day :eek: , God Willing one day I will be able to go to paradise as I worship One God only 🙂
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Oh. So then you can sin all you want, break all of the commandments but as long as you worship one God you are getting in. But what about the muslim sinners that do worship one God but still sin?
 
rinnie said:
Oh. So then you can sin all you want, break all of the commandments but as long as you worship one God you are getting in. But what about the muslim sinners that do worship one God but still sin?
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A good example would be the guys that drove the airplanes into the World Trade Center and killed all those innocent people who were planning to go to work and then go home as usual and suspected nothing until the nose of the planes entered the side of their workplace,but by then it was all over but the dying! They worshipped the one god but you talk about SIN!!! I’d hate to have met God with that in my background!!!
 
LegoGE1947 said:
All well and good, but we still have to accept or reject God’s forgiveness. Salvation is a joint venture: God does the forgiving but it is up to us as individuals whether we accept or reject that forgiveness. And God, gentleman that He is, will allow whatever we decide, but he will also allow us to live with the consequences of that decision. He will not violate our free will.
When He saves us, he does not take that gift of free will away. That’s what separates us from all lower life forms.
A good example is birds: this time of year birds fly south for the winter. But they do so because they are programmed to do so, they have no choice. Humans can fly south for the winter too, but they have to make a conscious choice to go to the travel agent, buy a ticket, and then board the airplane for the trip south. Just so, we humans have the choice whether we will serve God or not.
That’s just the way it is, whether we believe it or not.
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I agree with you 100%.

Peace>>>AJ
 
LegoGE1947 said:
There are people, however, who come to the altar, pray the sinner’s prayer and get all goose bumps and cry tears, and then go out and back to acting like the devil. Then presume that, because they went through all those motions, they can do whatever they want and still approach a Holy God at the end of this journey we call life! Something, you’ll have to admit, is wrong with that picture!
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More the reason we need the righteiouness of Jesus to save us from our (name removed by moderator)erfections.

After confession, we need to strive to repent (change our ways) to conform to what God desires of us.

Peace>>>AJ
 
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