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mercyalways
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Ack, I am so sorry I wrote that. An idiot generalization, completely unjustified.
Please forgive me. Of course there are many Democrats who are civil and kind.
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Please forgive me. Of course there are many Democrats who are civil and kind.
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EricF
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Red or blue would not even make the list of things to consider.
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I’m afraid this is incorrect. Here are the red states and blue states. Blue and Red States
Here are all of the states ranked by violent crime rates. The Most Dangerous States in the United States - WorldAtlas
Compare the two. The top 8 are either red or swing states.
Here are all of the states ranked by violent crime rates. The Most Dangerous States in the United States - WorldAtlas
Compare the two. The top 8 are either red or swing states.
Just for the heck of it, does anyone know whether Biden belongs to the K of C?
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lwest
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Not too much. It can change to a blue state the next election. I can’t be moving every time there’s an election.
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StudentMI
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That’s all I could find. I don’t think he is.
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twf
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This is all well and good today…but a century ago, do you think your Catholicism would have been welcomed? Living in a religious culture, but having the “wrong” faith, has often been very problematic. I’m glad that no longer appears to be the case where you are.
This is a very clear, articulate, intelligent, well-written letter. I’m pleased to see the K of C speak so definitively and forcefully.HomeschoolDad:
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That’s all I could find. I don’t think he is.
I would just note in passing that JFK had to demonstrate his own “unwillingness to bring [his] Catholic moral views into the public policy arena” when he sought the presidency in 1960. So maybe, just maybe, Biden is seeking to demonstrate the same thing in his putative presidency.
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benjammin
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- First of all, if you want to move somewhere, go ahead. There’s no one saying you shouldn’t and its not immoral to move unless its due to some sort of sin or to commit a sin. Granted, just because you can move doesn’t mean you should.
- I’d argue that moving due to politics alone is a little foolish, especially since politics can change. People here have brought up Texas changing from Red to purple and Colorado going full on left. Things change. Especially when its places people want to move to. Even places less desirable might still change.
- States are not solid red or blue. I’ve traveled throughout the midwest and was raised in Nebraska and live in Iowa. Typically, the rural areas are conservative and the urban areas are liberal, and therefore you can find sections of a certain state to live in that might be more politically similarly to you. Like if you want to live near Chicago but not in Chicago you could move to rural Illinois. Or for those on the other end, Omaha is a pretty urban part of Nebraska.
- Even in cities or rural areas you will find community. I’m sure the same applies for blue states. Its not as if everyone in that state is some atheist wiccan weirdo or whatever
- Conservative doesn’t mean catholic or even religious. I know plenty of so called conservatives who live much like secular people. Broken marriages, addiction, and even a dislike or religion or at least organized religion. My extended family is a lot like this. Big on wanting to live in a Christian society and all that but barely see the inside of a church and will say how others shouldn’t judge them for that and their sins. They are right in some level but their faith is nothing more than a cultural marker. For them it’s about saying Merry Christmas even if they don’t celebrate the reason for the season.
- Continuing on this point, even in very Catholic communities you will find sin and vice and terrible people. I experienced this first hand growing up in a Catholic community in rural Nebraska. Plenty of Catholics who either didn’t care or who were true hypocrites, pulling the wool over the eyes of people. Also due to free will, your own kids might stumble even in the best of circumstances. It happens and sadly some parents get quite disheartened by their good kids and their bad behavior.
- My last point is some advice I got from a seminarian friend : be comfortable with being uncomfortable. You might not like your neighbors or feel lIke your city or state is horrible but maybe you need to be the change. Evangelize. Heck even just conversations. I doubt people are that unreceptive. I’d even say make friends with neighbors and those different from you and talk. Don’t just throw insults or treat them like they are already damned. It’s like Chesterton said, we are called to love our neighbors and enemies because they are often the same person.
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Sarcelle
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It happens to Catholics who live in Utah, a red state.
I had a former coworker who just moved from Utah. His family was shunned for not being Mormon.
I had a former coworker who just moved from Utah. His family was shunned for not being Mormon.
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RolandThompsonGunner
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While walking my dog this morning, I saw my neighbors (lovely people, several Biden signs in their yard) chatting happily with people who live a few doors down, who have a bunch of pro-life and Fatima bumper stickers on their car.
It’s helpful to remember that the internet is not real life. If you marinate your brain in internet political food fights all day, it’s pretty easy to imagine our society as some of violent hellscape where people are constantly at each others throats.
You have to remember that A) most people don’t care in the slightest what the latest outrage on Twitter is and B) plenty of people are relatively moderate in their views and have no desire to tar and feather “the other side.” Don’t forget that the crazy people on YouTube are not representative of Joe Everyman.
It’s helpful to remember that the internet is not real life. If you marinate your brain in internet political food fights all day, it’s pretty easy to imagine our society as some of violent hellscape where people are constantly at each others throats.
You have to remember that A) most people don’t care in the slightest what the latest outrage on Twitter is and B) plenty of people are relatively moderate in their views and have no desire to tar and feather “the other side.” Don’t forget that the crazy people on YouTube are not representative of Joe Everyman.
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mercyalways
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JFK was an immoral man, sleeping with every girl he could. So what moral views would that be?
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mercyalways
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Perhaps. But my guess is that those who move do so for their children, to make certain they are not raised to be devout Catholics.
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Thrstypirate
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Big difference from a job I had in NYC last year. A guy got an email that said “God bless” and he interrupted the entire office to tell us about it and laugh.
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Pattylt
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It happens to Baptists, too. My SILs father was post master of Salt Lake. He’s as Baptist as you can get. He had a terrible time there and transferred after four years because of it. He’d give an assignment to one of his managers who when then go to some supervisor under him but who happened to be high in the LDS church in order to get approval for him to do the assignment. No matter how much my SILs father tried to explain that that this is the US Post Office and not the LDS church therefore his word was higher than some supervisors that happened to be a church leader…it didn’t matter. The still all went to the supervisor before complying with an assignment. He also discovered extreme favoritism in hiring LDS applicants and tried and failed to change it. His final comment before leaving was that that city was run by the LDS church and nothing was done unless the church allowed it. Heck, if it had been up to the church on who was Post Master instead of DC deciding, he’d have never got the job there.
He moved to PM of Dallas and fit in quite well there until retirement.
I have no idea if Salt Lake is still so entrenched with the LDS church now. They’re probably just quieter about it.
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njlisa
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@HomeschoolDad:
To a certain degree, religion is a private, although many New Jerseyans are pious.
Religion is a delicate topic because of diversity. Catholics are the plurality. Protestants would be the next biggest groups. Jews are 10 percent of the population. And many other religious traditions are represented: Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Santeria, and many other groups I don’t even know about. And of course there are non-believers.
In my home state of Oklahoma, it’s just typical for people to ask, “Do you have a church home?” And if you say no, they’ll invite you to their church.
You just have to adapt wherever you live. And frankly, I prefer diversity to a monoculture.
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I wouldn’t go so far as saying religion cannot be spoken in public. As I said, diversity dictates another way of relating to other people.
In my office, I wished some people “Eid Mubarak” or “chag sameach” – depending on their religions. They, in return, would wish me a good Christmas. In the lobby, the company would display a Christmas tree and a Hanukkah menorah.
I often expressed my pro-life views to friends. Nearly all of them dropped me. But as I look back, it’s no great loss.
Any day of the week, I still want to be here in New Jersey. My home state suffocated me.
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In 1960, it was fairly well known in some circles (those who paid attention to Paul Blanshard and Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, among others) that the mere fact of being a Catholic — even being a bad one — meant that you adhered to a religious system that, carried to its logical conclusion based upon its own social teachings, would have its adherents working to establish a social order quite different to the “American way of life”. Call it “the Social Reign of Christ the King”, call it instaurare omnia in Christo, call it what you will, but a social order suffused with Catholic political philosophy root and branch, would only resemble the American system in some ways. (For instance, there is nothing intrinsically evil about the way the three branches of government are set up, unless you are among the most severe of monarchists, and nobody listens to them, not even Rome.) In other ways, Catholic principles would reign supreme, and looking at it through the eyes of a dedicated Protestant, Jew, or secularist, that’s not a good thing. So this is what people didn’t like about JFK in 1960. Here sixty years later, first of all, virtually nobody outside of fairly rarefied Catholic circles has even vest-pocket knowledge of Catholic social doctrine, and nobody worries about it. It’s not a thing. Let’s put it this way — approach ten people at random coming out of Mass any Sunday, ask them what they think about Rerum novarum or the principle of subsidiarity, and see what they tell you. They’ll have no earthly idea what you are talking about.HomeschoolDad:
JFK was an immoral man, sleeping with every girl he could. So what moral views would that be?
When religion cannot even be spoken of in public, then secularism reigns supreme. I have to wonder if this is why the northeastern United States (i.e., Pennsylvania and everything north and east of it), pardon me for being so blunt, does such huge damage to the American political system by voting “blue”, liberal, and, as a rule, pro-choice on abortion. I don’t deny there are conservative, traditional family values, pro-life people in that part of the country, there just aren’t enough of them.
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RolandThompsonGunner
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I’m skeptical that Joe Average Massgoer in in 1960 would’ve known either.
Point well made, but if nothing else, they would have the condensed (and perhaps even a bit puerile) version of Catholic social doctrine, or rather, a worldview informed by that doctrine, that is more or less implicit in portions of the Baltimore Catechism. Now they don’t have even that.HomeschoolDad:
I’m skeptical that Joe Average Massgoer in in 1960 would’ve known either.
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