If you were to move, how important is a red state?

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HomeschoolDad said:
Point well made, but if nothing else, they would have the condensed (and perhaps even a bit puerile) version of Catholic social doctrine, or rather, a worldview informed by that doctrine, that is more or less implicit in portions of the Baltimore Catechism . Now they don’t have even that.
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I have a theory (and it is only a theory, absolutely nothing to back it up) that the percentage of people at Mass who are only nominally Catholic was probably higher then. Back then, there was a bit of a social cost to being indifferent to religion. There was more societal pressure to be a churchgoer.

Now, that doesn’t really exist for most people. There are very few places in the US where people are going to think you’re weird for not going to church, especially if you’re laid back about it and not a militant atheist.

All this to say, the groups leaving Mass in 2020 probably contains a smaller percentage of people who don’t really want to be there, because there’s not really any external pressure to get them out of bed on Sunday morning if they’re not already inclined.
 
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HomeschoolDad:
Point well made, but if nothing else, they would have the condensed (and perhaps even a bit puerile) version of Catholic social doctrine, or rather, a worldview informed by that doctrine, that is more or less implicit in portions of the Baltimore Catechism . Now they don’t have even that.
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I have a theory (and it is only a theory, absolutely nothing to back it up) that the percentage of people at Mass who are only nominally Catholic was probably higher then. Back then, there was a bit of a social cost to being indifferent to religion. There was more societal pressure to be a churchgoer.

Now, that doesn’t really exist for most people. There are very few places in the US where people are going to think you’re weird for not going to church, especially if you’re laid back about it and not a militant atheist.

All this to say, the groups leaving Mass in 2020 probably contains a smaller percentage of people who don’t really want to be there, because there’s not really any external pressure to get them out of bed on Sunday morning if they’re not already inclined.
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I think you may have a point. (“Theories with nothing to back them up” don’t bother me in the least, I have plenty of them myself! Sixty years of living and observing will do that to you.) I would also add that people who aren’t disposed to go to Mass in the first place, aren’t going to be intimidated by the “Sunday obligation”, because they generally don’t think in terms of “pain of mortal sin”.

Even in my Bible Belt Southland, non-churchgoers face no social stigma whatsoever, at least none I’ve ever seen. Yes, you will see the “Jesus Saves” signs along the side of the road, but add to this, there is also a streak of “live and let live”. Beyond a certain point, people mind their own business. There are wide areas where beer, wine, and liquor are sold, and nobody even gives it a second thought — you don’t want to partake of it, then don’t partake of it. Now, in southern Appalachia — which is another notch in the Bible Belt entirely, and only notionally Southern — that’s another story. They fight pitched electoral battles there over whether to be “wet” or “dry” (it rarely ever goes from “wet” to “dry”), and the preachers do not hesitate to warn their congregations that “drinking is the worst sin there is”. Business interests in nearby “wet” areas might also play a part — they don’t want to lose the business they get from people in the “dry” counties coming to get their booze to take back home.
 
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These rankings you posted, violent crimes, are only one aspect used to check safety. I wouldn’t base myself only on this and I know your governments don’t do it either.

Robbery, property destruction, phyisical assaults (without murder), rape, extortion and many other types of crimes have to be considered as well.

The robbery ranking, for instance, has a different profile than the violent crimes one.

 
This is an odd thread. I never thought about politics when it comes to moving. My wife have talked about moving for retirement, but the only issue is that we want to be where hurricanes do not hit… and still in Texas.
 
I agree It is. And if it is already accounted among violent crimes, then you may ignore it from my list.

Btw, I forgot about other types of stealing such as burglary and theft.
 
Rape and physical assaults are violent crimes factored into the data. Posting data on robbery is a red herring to those.

A higher number of violent crimes in Republican-dominated areas doesn’t bode well for Red States. (And so much for that “tough-on-crime” rhetoric, right?) If I had to choose, I’d rather invest in car alarms and house alarms to avoid petty theft than fear for my life and physical safety.
 
I heard yesterday that Biden was speaking out against capital punishment.

He’d better be careful that someone doesn’t accuse him of letting Rome tell him how to govern. There’s a large part of the American electorate that absolutely cherishes the death penalty — the grossest and rankest of them camp outside Death Row prisons and cheer when the punishment is administered. Many of them invoke old-time religion.

I’ll be surprised if the acolytes of the late Jack Chick, Pastor Steven Anderson, or the Westboro Baptist Church bunch, don’t eventually call out the phenomenon of a Catholic President and a majority-Catholic Supreme Court. Remember where you heard it first.
 
TMC said:
Has America really become so divided that we can’t even stand to be in the same state as someone that sometimes disagrees with us?
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I don’t see it as ‘being in the same state as someone who sometimes disagrees with’ me.

I see it as being in a state where my rights and values are respected, where the Constitution is valued and adhered to, or more likely to be.

A major consideration as I discuss this with my fiance is that the democrats have been pushing for years to whittle away at the second amendment. That Kamala has called for gun confiscation (or at least that she’s given good reason for many people to believe she WILL try to confiscate guns.)

In a red state, the sheriffs, police, law enforcement, are much less likely to do her dirty work for her. We’re more likely to have neighbors who will band together to protect their constitutional rights together.
 
Beryllos said:
I am amazed how much people think about gun liberty. Obsession. What unlikely scenarios are playing in their minds? The wild west? Warring tribes? Fascist takeover? Snap out of it. Life in the US is not one of those movie plots. We have much bigger problems to worry about. Gun liberty is not just a useless security blanket. It’s a distraction from the real work at hand.
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I mean to be fair. I don’t own a gun, don’t plan to, etc. But people do get attacked and murdered very near my home lately. When I approach my own front door I have to do it very carefully so no one else shoves their way in with me. I’ve had to loop around and change my intended door because of people lingering near the initial door I planned on. (Literally, a couple weeks ago someone was crouching behind a bush near the front door. I happened to be approaching from the right angle to see.)

I can imagine the appeal of having some means of self defence. I’d be rubbish in a hand-to-hand struggle.
 
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Robbery is also considered violent crime, isn’t it? If it isn’t factored in, it definitely should.

Safety is a sum of factors and some of them can’t be dismissed or simply picked by convenience like this, even if they are less dangerous to a persons physical health. One can always weight in when calculating some overall index…

One more thing. You showed data from 2016. I wonder how 2019 and especially 2020 are going to look like. After those riots.

If tv is lying overseas about these riots that are shown mostly in blue states, then we have a serious media problem.
 
Well, our church is in the next state over from us, a state known for its socialism, and we’re trying to move closer to it. The unreasonable burdens on homeschoolers, the liberal abortion laws, the extremely high taxes, and the fact that they just passed a law requiring free distribution of condoms in middle schools makes us very, very skittish about crossing that border. Red state absolutely necessary? Not for me. But can a blue state be an ENORMOUS barrier? Yes. Absolutely.

The state south of our current one is also very, very blue. For years they have been moving north to take advantage of our tax situation, and are now turning us blue. We resent this. Particularly in my household, because we moved here to escape that state!
 
Aulef said:
Robbery is also considered violent crime, isn’t it?
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Not really. Robbery is a crime against property, not bodies. The bottom line is that I really don’t think you can’t blame high rates of violent crime on Democrats.

Unless you’re in the WNF. 😏
 
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Beryllos:
I am amazed how much people think about gun liberty. Obsession. What unlikely scenarios are playing in their minds? The wild west? Warring tribes? Fascist takeover? Snap out of it. Life in the US is not one of those movie plots. We have much bigger problems to worry about. Gun liberty is not just a useless security blanket. It’s a distraction from the real work at hand.
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I mean to be fair. I don’t own a gun, don’t plan to, etc. But people do get attacked and murdered very near my home lately. When I approach my own front door I have to do it very carefully so no one else shoves their way in with me. I’ve had to loop around and change my intended door because of people lingering near the initial door I planned on. (Literally, a couple weeks ago someone was crouching behind a bush near the front door. I happened to be approaching from the right angle to see.)

I can imagine the appeal of having some means of self defence. I’d be rubbish in a hand-to-hand struggle.
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If you are going to live in a place like this, I would recommend getting your concealed carry permit, finding a self-defense weapon you’re comfortable with, learn how to use it, and carry it.
 
HomeschoolDad said:
If you are going to live in a place like this, I would recommend getting your concealed carry permit, finding a self-defense weapon you’re comfortable with, learn how to use it, and carry it.
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This isn’t a legal option where I live. The only people legally permitted to carry guns are those who require them for work (eg police officers) and those who get special permission because of a specific threat against their life (apparently rare to get those, and permission usually only granted after an active police file has been opened for a specific reason. Only found out this even existed after googling it just now).

Obviously gang members and so on have guns. Legally speaking though civilians aren’t permitted them except in the above mentioned cases. (Or for hunting I think. But you can’t carry around town, including concealed.)
 
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Put it this way, I cannot think of a solid blue state where I would wish to live. It would be more about the culture than anything more specific. For example, I could imagine moving to California to live in the “State of Jefferson” area. I could not imagine living in the Bay or L.A.
 
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Sarcelle:
It happens to Catholics who live in Utah, a red state.

I had a former coworker who just moved from Utah. His family was shunned for not being Mormon.
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It happens to Baptists, too. My SILs father was post master of Salt Lake. He’s as Baptist as you can get. He had a terrible time there and transferred after four years because of it. He’d give an assignment to one of his managers who when then go to some supervisor under him but who happened to be high in the LDS church in order to get approval for him to do the assignment. No matter how much my SILs father tried to explain that that this is the US Post Office and not the LDS church therefore his word was higher than some supervisors that happened to be a church leader…it didn’t matter. The still all went to the supervisor before complying with an assignment. He also discovered extreme favoritism in hiring LDS applicants and tried and failed to change it. His final comment before leaving was that that city was run by the LDS church and nothing was done unless the church allowed it. Heck, if it had been up to the church on who was Post Master instead of DC deciding, he’d have never got the job there.

He moved to PM of Dallas and fit in quite well there until retirement.😂

I have no idea if Salt Lake is still so entrenched with the LDS church now. They’re probably just quieter about it.
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More discrimination based on religion. Supposed to be against the Equal Employment Opportunity laws, but like any other laws, they’re only effective if they’re enforced. Some laws today are rarely enforced. We’ve seen that in this recent election.
 
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blackforest said:
Robbery is a crime against property, not bodies.
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Let me interject here so that you can understand the logic of including robbery with violent crimes, as most states do. The crime against property has other names; larceny, theft, burglary. Larceny, or theft is the only true crime against property. Burglary is a hybrid, as while it may be just against property it might involve the risk of physical harm. Here, Burglary of a vehicle is a misdemeanor; of a building, it is a low felony; of a habitation, it is a serious felony. The close the crime gets to hurting people, the more serious it is.

Robbery, on the other hand, can only be charged when done directly against a person. It must involve either injury to the other person, or deadly threats. That is the element that makes it a violent crime. It is possible that some states have a different definition that might make it possible without violence, but I would not know that.
 
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