Iglesia ni Cristo members.. lets help them

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admaioranatus said:
what verse in the bible shall I see that? that poor man.
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But why would the Sign on which the Lord redeemed the World and paid our sins be a sign of satan? Does that mean that Jesus is satan?

I guess the Early Christians went to hell since they did the Sign of the Cross…😃
 
boppysbud said:
I don’t know the email addy of a single INC member.

Aren’t they a cult?

Do they exist anywhere besides the Phillipines?
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They’re now spread throughout the world, that’s what their administration claims and says on their TV and radio programs.
By definition of a cult, yes, since they sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man and would “die” for that belief. They reject the Trinity, saying it’s a Catholic invention.
 
James_2_24 said:
I own a copy of that debate. The INC minister clearly lost that debate. And his tactics, as you will see during the debate were anything but fair. Those people are brainwashed.
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Hi, James_2:24
I am a Catholic looking for a copy of that said debate. Can you please tell me where can I find a copy of that debate here in the Philippines? It would be of big help to me since their attacks on us Catholics here in the Philippijnes remain unanswered because most of us here lacked enough resources and doctrinal knwledge to thwart or repulse their so-called truth.
Thank you very much and God Bless
 
newera said:
RobedWithLight:

Does a “prophet” and an “angel” of Revelation have to undergo religious training with those “misguided” Protestants, whose teachings he had abandoned years before?

In addition, is it true your “prophet” changed his religious affiliation four or five times before founding your denomination? From Catholic, I believe he became in succession, a Methodist, a Presbyterian, an Adventist and then to some other Protestant denomination, before founding your denomination in 1914?

What’s wrong with that? … If God select you to be his Church leader.

Apostle Paul was the number 1 enemy of the church before he became apostle… Why God choose him?
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Yes, it’s true Paul was the #1 enemy of the church during that time, but when he was converted, did he start his own church? No, he didn’t started a new one, he helped the Church so much, that’s why God chose him!!
 
mongladz said:
Those INCs are really hilarious.i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/hysterical.gif

Wait a minute! i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/th_o.gif

Where is my holy water? i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/roflmao.gif

Where is my old roman exorcism ritual? i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/laughing1.gif
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Considering that some Child of the Night did not steal it while running around and tearing the Roman Ritual to pieces and pouring the Holy Water in the Trash Can…:eek:
 
Catholic4evr said:
Hi, James_2:24 It would be of big help to me since their attacks on us Catholics here in the Philippijnes remain unanswered because most of us here lacked enough resources and doctrinal knwledge to thwart or repulse their so-called truth.
Thank you very much and God Bless
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It isn’t merely the lack of doctrinal knowledge but a pervasive so-called ecumenicist mentality among many Catholic filipinos, even among the more knowledgeable and intelligent clergy, that we should allegedly be “nicer” and “open-minded” towards them, which in turn mistakenly assumes a more aggressive apologetical campaign to be “uncharitable”. It is no wonder then that serious and systematic Catholic apologetics is, with a few exceptions almost non-existent in the Philippines nowadays.
 
Catholic4evr said:
They’re now spread throughout the world, that’s what their administration claims and says on their TV and radio programs.
By definition of a cult, yes, since they sincerely believe that Jesus Christ is a man and would “die” for that belief. They reject the Trinity, saying it’s a Catholic invention.
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Their claim that the Trinity is a Catholic invention is plainly ridiculous and smacks of historical ignorance, since virtually all the major branches of Christianity (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and most mainline Protestants) firmly subscribe to this teaching. Only johnny-come-latelies fringe sects and cults (all founded in the last 180 years or so) like the INC, the JWs, the Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals who comprise a very tiny minority of those who claim to be Christians deny this teaching.
 
RobedWithLight said:
It isn’t merely the lack of doctrinal knowledge but a pervasive so-called ecumenicist mentality among many Catholic filipinos, even among the more knowledgeable and intelligent clergy, that we should allegedly be “nicer” and “open-minded” towards them, which in turn mistakenly assumes a more aggressive apologetical campaign to be “uncharitable”. It is no wonder then that serious and systematic Catholic apologetics is, with a few exceptions almost non-existent in the Philippines nowadays.
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I don’t know and probably you’re right. Maybe there’s so few of them here that their voices can’t be heard. While other religions here take their evangelizations to the streets and by knocking on doors, the catholics here still seems to do nothing or are doing something but still lacking.
 
With all the misinterpretations, misquotations and contradictions to support their arguments, be it on TV and their magazine, it really is ludicrous and impossible to believe
their assertions. I do understand that they do their preaching now for mileage sake.
 
RobedWithLight said:
Their claim that the Trinity is a Catholic invention is plainly ridiculous and smacks of historical ignorance, since virtually all the major branches of Christianity (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and most mainline Protestants) firmly subscribe to this teaching. Only johnny-come-latelies fringe sects and cults (all founded in the last 180 years or so) like the INC, the JWs, the Mormons and Oneness Pentecostals who comprise a very tiny minority of those who claim to be Christians deny this teaching.
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Nice observation RobedWithLight!

Now, we can reconstruct the puzzle together.

Jesus did promise to protect His Church against the Gates of Hell, but when He ascended into Heaven He became busy playing a game of chess with Moses and Elijah. Soon He forgot His promise (He’s only a man, isn’t He? 😉 ) and the True Church was gone and the Catholic Church appeared. This went on for 1700 years, passing on through the Middle Ages, the Reformation, the Enlightenment until in the early 20th Century, when Jesus looked down to earth and then He saw His Church gone. And thus, He sent Felix Manalo, Joseph Smith, Herbert Armstrong, etc. to restore His Church.
 
RobedWithLight said:
It isn’t merely the lack of doctrinal knowledge but a pervasive so-called ecumenicist mentality among many Catholic filipinos, even among the more knowledgeable and intelligent clergy, that we should allegedly be “nicer” and “open-minded” towards them, which in turn mistakenly assumes a more aggressive apologetical campaign to be “uncharitable”. It is no wonder then that serious and systematic Catholic apologetics is, with a few exceptions almost non-existent in the Philippines nowadays.
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This is more because Filipino culture is non-confrontationalist; we’d rather let such differences slide than rock the boat, so to speak. Of course, one irony of Filipino culture as well is that we’re very clanish, so we can see a dilemma here in our culture, but that’s another issue.
 
Hi. I am a Filipina in Manila and new to this forum though I’ve been visiting Catholic Answers for awhile. Frankly, I got really dizzy following this thread :whacky: — but it was entertaining nonetheless. 🙂

I have been studying most teary-eyed testimonial from former Catholic INC converts (have on more than one occassion felt an overwhelming need to hit them in the head) and sadly, find that their conversion is a mostly a response to a lack of observed faith among Filipino Catholics. Unfortunately, I can validate this as your average Filipino Catholic acts like going to mass is pulling teeth. They seem to have responded mostly to INC’s “warm reception” and “strong, confident (bombastic?)” guidance" from ministers. Unfortunately with these “warm” things in place, plus the fact us Catholics ourselves have made anti-Catholicism so easy, indoctrination is an easy thing.

This is a minimization, I know. I am speculating that debate may not be the way to go about ministering to them as evidently they don’t seem to follow the normal rules of logic (an understatement! 😛 ), unless of course you have them cornered as individuals rather than groups. We Filipinos are more affective than cognitive. I am still not sure how we can go about it, but my take is, if we see them, instead of attacking INC, perhaps we can educate them more on why Catholicism is a rich faith?

…not to say some serious bashing isn’t in order too…whatcha think?
 
Milliardo said:
This is more because Filipino culture is non-confrontationalist; we’d rather let such differences slide than rock the boat, so to speak. Of course, one irony of Filipino culture as well is that we’re very clanish, so we can see a dilemma here in our culture, but that’s another issue.
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I agree. This is reflected in the unwillingness or distaste of many Filipinos for making candid, categorical remarks, such as the prevalent use of the word “medyo” in our conversations. Hence apologetics, which requires candor, sometimes to the point of bluntness, could not flourish in the Philippines.
 
nazarene1126 said:
They seem to have responded mostly to INC’s “warm reception” and “strong, confident (bombastic?)” guidance" from ministers. Unfortunately with these “warm” things in place, plus the fact us Catholics ourselves have made anti-Catholicism so easy, indoctrination is an easy thing.

I am still not sure how we can go about it, but my take is, if we see them, instead of attacking INC, perhaps we can educate them more on why Catholicism is a rich faith?

…not to say some serious bashing isn’t in order too…whatcha think?
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I strong agree to that, we need to educate filipino Catholics instead of attacking other denominations like INC.
 
actually, the INC admin and ministers were the ones who ‘attacked’ first, since 1913. it really is a pain to see them spew fallacies and misinterpretations on TV. these INC ministers in their programs, use out of context rhetoric and interpretations, then try to win over gullible catholics. they make it appear that everything ‘comes’ from the Bible (many bibles actually). funny, they take quotes out of context from catholic books to further their arguments.

the list goes on and on…

no wonder, in any forum, these INC defenders find themselves cornered.

ps. Galatians 1:9 further amplifies the warning.
 
I really wonder what does INC teaches that create how much of HoHa here and there?? Coz i really don’t know what INC teaches, just curious
 
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