Iglesia ni Cristo members.. lets help them

[newera]

*ladygenesis:
new era,have you heard about the late rosita trillanes,one of the female inc members that were raped by your church founder, felix ysagun manalo.how can he be a prophet if indeed he’s a rapist??? *

For you ladygenesis: I tell you, this was already answered in our show “Ang Tamang Daan” and this is part of destroying our last messenger …

 

[newera]

RobedWithLight:
There are hundreds of biblical passages that can be shown to prove the divinity of Christ, just as we acknowledge his humanity also.

Why don’t you tell your best debater/defender to use those verse to prove that Christ is God… againsts our minister, maybe you are a good candidate to defend the catholic church… well see if you can stand your verses… or maybe your only good in talking and posting verses but can’t defend it in public. Its seems like you know all the verses. Minister of the INC is waiting someone who can stand against our belief that was base on the bible that Christ is a man in nature, special man…and not God. Anybody? what about you RobedWithLight? (bahag buntot)

 

[newera]

I agree. I am now refraining from asking newera any more new questions considering that he has yet to respond to my question as to Ka Felix’s baptism in the INC. The thread is simply getting longer and longer, not with clear answers, but with more and more unanswered questions.l

Why are you saying that I’m not responding your question… don’t you see my response… What’s wrong if he did not went to baptism?..God already appointed him to be a messenger.
Again I asked you RobedWithLight who baptized john? You did not answer this question…anybody??

 

[Pinoy_Katoliko]

Hi Pinoy Katoliko!

I agree with you.

One thing though. Please don’t take offense. May I suggest that you make your posts english? We may understand the things that you say but what about the non-Filipinos here in CAF? They wanna understand what we are talkin about too… Right?

Thankies!

No problem bro. ssejllenrad. Sorry for the tagalog language. I forgot there are Americans here.

Hey bro. could you pls. inform our fellow Filipinos in this forum regarding my first post. I don’t know who they are. Those are very important articles since lots of Filipinos here were looking for Catholic refutations against Ang Dating Daan of Mr. Soriano. That’s the best so far.

And for the benefit of those who haven’t read my earlier post, please inform them of Defensores Fidei Foundation. If they are interested in knowing the latest debates or apologetics issues here, they can e-mail the group. God bless you Pinoys in America!

 

[ssejllenrad]

No problem bro. ssejllenrad. Sorry for the tagalog language. I forgot there are Americans here.

Hey bro. could you pls. inform our fellow Filipinos in this forum regarding my first post. I don’t know who they are. Those are very important articles since lots of Filipinos here were looking for Catholic refutations against Ang Dating Daan of Mr. Soriano. That’s the best so far.

And for the benefit of those who haven’t read my earlier post, please inform them of Defensores Fidei Foundation. If they are interested in knowing the latest debates or apologetics issues here, they can e-mail the group. God bless you Pinoys in America!

I’m not from America bro… I live in noypeeps land…

I’d surely inform many of the friends here about your earlier post. I would also inform them of the DFF. It’s so nice being a member of the DFF and PDF(Pinoy Defensor Fidei) group. But I’m just a member of the Yahoo group. Hope to be an official DFF member someday. BTW do you know how to be an official DFF member?

As for the increasing number of questions towards New Era, I think we should stop. We wont get any answer beside “Watch our show”… Debating is futile also. Every argument our side present would just be “false” in the eyes of the INC. We all know what the INC are like. If you don’t know then just read about them in the links above or search for it on the archives. That’s the best way to learn about them. Not from biased “Ang Tamang Daan” nor from equally biased “Ang Dating Daan”.

As for me, that religion will be just another one of the many self-righteous “we are the only ones saved you guys aren’t” type of faith. I don’t think they are a cult though. Just mislead.

I hope we go back to the original purpose of this thread. Helping out the members. I’ll pray for many of them. I have many friends that are INC. Most of them are good. I’d surely pray that they would find the light of truth in the one true church. I think that’s the least I could do for now… When I get to study and finish an apologetics class, I hope I could do more.

 

[newera]

Hi ssejllenrad:

Don’t you know that 2 doctrines of the devil are found in your religion…

 

[newera]

Again I asked you RobedWithLight who baptized john??

 

[MatthewB]

Hi ssejllenrad:

Don’t you know that 2 doctrines of the devil are found in your religion…

Are you speaking of forbiding marriage and eating certain foods?

1. Marriage is not forbidden to Catholics; it is a sacrement given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus speaks of those in Matthew 19:12
   "There are eunachs who were born thus from thier mother’s womb and there are eunachs who were made eunachs by men, and there are eunachs who have made them selves eunachs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it." (NKJV)

The Catholic Church does not force people to remain celebate. Those called to the Priesthood in the Latin rite take a vow of celebacy. Those in the Eastern rites often are married before being given Holy Orders, but taking a vow of celebacy is not at all uncommon nor is it in the Eastern Ortodox Church. Those called to celebacy are ones spoken of in the above Bible verse

catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp < Here is a good article about celebacy and the Priesthood

cin.org/users/james/questions/q004.htm < and here is a good article on abstaining from certain foods during Lent

and one by Jimmy Akin from “This Rock” explaing this passage. catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403chap.asp

This should be a good translation. When I was in INC I was old NKJV was a good one(by other congregation members) and it is the Bible I read when God pointed me toward his true Church. Newera my friend I have no doubt you wish to serve God with all your heart and I don’t doubt your love of him for a minute. Please listen to what people here have to say and please study the Bible yourself along with history of the early Church it will certainly lead you away from INC and eventually to the true Church. Many of verses INC used to attack other churches I soon saw applied to the INC itself such as personal intreptations. Felix Manalo made up the doctrines of the Last Messenger, it was never spoken of before.

 

[Milliardo]

Again I asked you RobedWithLight who baptized john??

Funny analogy; John was the precursor of Jesus, so in essence baptism as we know now doesn’t apply to him. We might as well ask who baptized, Moses, Isaiah, etc. It doesn’t work that way, newera.

It’s hard for me to answer coz I don’t have the reference to prove to you…you might not beleive me. It’s better to send your questions to our email…

With all due respect, it would be better to address the issue here rather than through email, so people would see and learn what the INC teaches.

 

[newera]

Milliardo Quote:
Originally Posted by newera
Again I asked you RobedWithLight who baptized john??

Funny analogy; John was the precursor of Jesus, so in essence baptism as we know now doesn’t apply to him. We might as well ask who baptized, Moses, Isaiah, etc. It doesn’t work that way, newera

why doesn’t apply to John?..i’m referring to john not to anybody else…

 

[newera]

Are you speaking of forbiding marriage and eating certain foods?

1. Marriage is not forbidden to Catholics; it is a sacrement given to us by our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus speaks of those in Matthew 19:12
   "There are eunachs who were born thus from thier mother’s womb and there are eunachs who were made eunachs by men, and there are eunachs who have made them selves eunachs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it." (NKJV)

The Catholic Church does not force people to remain celebate. Those called to the Priesthood in the Latin rite take a vow of celebacy. Those in the Eastern rites often are married before being given Holy Orders, but taking a vow of celebacy is not at all uncommon nor is it in the Eastern Ortodox Church. Those called to celebacy are ones spoken of in the above Bible verse

catholic.com/library/Celibacy_and_the_Priesthood.asp < Here is a good article about celebacy and the Priesthood

cin.org/users/james/questions/q004.htm < and here is a good article on abstaining from certain foods during Lent

and one by Jimmy Akin from “This Rock” explaing this passage. catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403chap.asp

This should be a good translation. When I was in INC I was old NKJV was a good one(by other congregation members) and it is the Bible I read when God pointed me toward his true Church. Newera my friend I have no doubt you wish to serve God with all your heart and I don’t doubt your love of him for a minute. Please listen to what people here have to say and please study the Bible yourself along with history of the early Church it will certainly lead you away from INC and eventually to the true Church. Many of verses INC used to attack other churches I soon saw applied to the INC itself such as personal intreptations. Felix Manalo made up the doctrines of the Last Messenger, it was never spoken of before.

Are you sure what you are saying?.. Dont you know that it is a LAW or doctrine of the Catholic Church.

what about the nuns?

You know the life of Aboloc? A priest who became a minister of the INC.

 

[newera]

Funny analogy; John was the precursor of Jesus, so in essence baptism as we know now doesn’t apply to him. We might as well ask who baptized, Moses, Isaiah, etc. It doesn’t work that way, newera.

With all due respect, it would be better to address the issue here rather than through email, so people would see and learn what the INC teaches.

is Milliardo and RobedWithLight the same?, coz I asked RobedWithLight and I got answer from Milliardo

 

[newera]

Milliardo Quote:

Funny analogy; John was the precursor of Jesus, so in essence baptism as we know now doesn’t apply to him. We might as well ask who baptized, Moses, Isaiah, etc. It doesn’t work that way, newera.
Quote:

Funny ha, or maybe you did not know what your taking about… Is there a baptism on the time of Moses and Isaiah? were talking here of Baptism

 

[MatthewB]

Are you sure what you are saying?.. Dont you know that it is a LAW or doctrine of the Catholic Church.

what about the nuns?

You know the life of Aboloc? A priest who became a minister of the INC.

No I do not know about Aboloc. Do you have infomation about him? On Truthfinder’s page they have a former priest named Dizon.

Can you point out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church where is says marriage is forbidden? How is it forbiden if marriage is considered a sacrement by the Chruch? If you look at the link I posted on the article by James(Jimmy) Akin it explains these things. As Mister Akin points out celebacy is a disipline in the Church NOT a doctrine. The church acknowledges it is not required in the Bible, but it is advised. The Latin Rite of the Catholic Church follows this advice. The Eastern Rite Chruchs which are in full communion with Rome may follow it but it is not a requirement. If the Latin Rite so choses it can do away with the disipline of celebacy for priests. He also speaks of groups of many similer to nuns mentioned in 1 Timothy 5. Please check out that link it explains alot if you are willing to look at it with an open mind like Iglesia Ni Cristo ministers ask visitors to have when they visit an INC chapel.

 

[mongladz]

RobedWithLight:
There are hundreds of biblical passages that can be shown to prove the divinity of Christ, just as we acknowledge his humanity also.

Why don’t you tell your best debater/defender to use those verse to prove that Christ is God… againsts our minister, maybe you are a good candidate to defend the catholic church… well see if you can stand your verses… or maybe your only good in talking and posting verses but can’t defend it in public. Its seems like you know all the verses. Minister of the INC is waiting someone who can stand against our belief that was base on the bible that Christ is a man in nature, special man…and not God. Anybody? what about you RobedWithLight? (bahag buntot)

Hello newera,

May all the saints guide you.

Perhaps it would be nice if I ask you, can you speak for your ministers and maybe set a formal debate? I’m sure you know what a i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/w.gif “formal” debate is, right? Maybe then if you can, there are a lot of Catholic’s out there even one knocking infront of INC central to ask for a debate. But, until then we have to wait. And yes, have you been informed of Erano Manalo’s memorandum concerning explaining the INC faith exclusive to INC ministers?

May the Lord bless you!

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mongladz

Jesus said; John 10:30* I and the Father are one.** *

 

[RobedWithLight]

Why are you saying that I’m not responding your question… don’t you see my response… What’s wrong if he did not went to baptism?..God already appointed him to be a messenger.
Again I asked you RobedWithLight who baptized john? You did not answer this question…anybody??

Your response doesn’t prove anything new era. What is wrong with your response was that your church REQUIRES baptism as a pre-requisite for salvation. Manalo wasn’t baptized in your church (exempted???).

Jesus on the other hand INSISTED that He be baptized by John, despite being the Son of God Himself.

What a privilege. Manalo was exempted from baptism but Jesus was not!

And all you did was “answer” my question with another question, in other words, you simply evaded giving a categorical answer. **I **deserve a categorical answer first, simply because **I **asked the question first. If you don’t have an answer then honestly say so and I will not bother insisting any response from you on the same point.

As I’ve said before, you should ask the help of one of your ministers.

Unlike “Prophet” Felix Manalo, St. John did not establish nor claim to be reestablishing any sect or denomination of any kind, nor did he claim to be the “last” messenger of God, nor did he claim to be an “angel” of Revelation. John did not set up a “church” and had it “registered” with the Securities and Exchange Commision as a “Corporation Sole” nor did John have a son who succeeded, and inherited his position as head (and new prophet??) of a religious sect (a mere one out of thousands of existing sects). John did not engage in jumping from one religion to the other, much less become a minister of four different religious denominations. And finally, John was cruelly martyred, while Manalo died a very ordinary death.

What a difference!

 

[RobedWithLight]

is Milliardo and RobedWithLight the same?, coz I asked RobedWithLight and I got answer from Milliardo

No. Forums like this does not limit your response to those posts directed at you. Likewise, you can reply to any posts here even if they were made in response to points raised by another forumer.

 

[RobedWithLight]

Milliardo Quote:
Funny ha, or maybe you did not know what your taking about… Is there a baptism on the time of Moses and Isaiah? were talking here of Baptism

However, like Moses and Isaiah, John likewise predated Jesus’ ministry and proclamation of the gospel. So what applies to John logically should apply to Isaiah and Moses as well, hence it would lead to questions like who baptized Isaiah, and Moses, although such questions would ultimately lead to absurdities like “who baptized Adam?”.

I agree it is funny.

 

[Pythagoras]

Milliardo Quote:

Funny analogy; John was the precursor of Jesus, so in essence baptism as we know now doesn’t apply to him. We might as well ask who baptized, Moses, Isaiah, etc. It doesn’t work that way, newera.
Quote:

Funny ha, or maybe you did not know what your taking about… Is there a baptism on the time of Moses and Isaiah? were talking here of Baptism

Quoting from the bible? INCs don’t have the right to use the bible.

I’m still waiting for your response.
Prove to me what is INC’s basis for knowing which books are inspired and those from not inspired. Tell me also WHEN did INC determined the canonicity of the Bible.

 

[mongladz]

Everyone seems to have his own question . I think I should as well.

newera, your ministers explains the sealing as membership to iglesia. My question; What is wrong with your angel’s arithmetic?i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/th_n.gif

In Revelation those who would be sealed are a 144,000 when in 1980 the INC membership is already a million (1997 Britannica). Strange i82.photobucket.com/albums/j253/inahsworld101/u.gif.

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