Iglesia Ni Cristo

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one more issue i have against the INC, is why do some call them Christians? yes, they base their faith on the teachings of Jesus (per their own interpretations) but shouldn’t Christians at the very least accept the divinity of Jesus?
the question is is being a christian equals to accept the doctrine trinity? the issue is that the trinity is a doctrine of the bible? being a christian is said about commanding christ’s teachings not by accepting the DIVINITY OF JESUS!!!
 
the question is is being a christian equals to accept the doctrine trinity? the issue is that the trinity is a doctrine of the bible? being a christian is said about commanding christ’s teachings not by accepting the DIVINITY OF JESUS!!!
but the teaching of Jesus is that He is the Son of God and that they are one

John 10:30
The Father and I are one

accepting some and not all of what Jesus has taught and said does not make you a Christian
 
huh? the question is what can INC will get if for exam. this politician will be voted? MONEY?? for the church? oh come on! what i know who doing it is the Catholic church, even admits that they are getting money even from casino, gamblings , from politicians and some other… just to make and build a new chapel. i agree to you all politicians are greedy but not the INC. The one that does the bad things is the one WHO HAVE FREEDOM TO VOTE. why?? cant you see that politicians use them, give them money and others just to be voted? and thats how the advantage of bloc voting works, by not be influence by other politicians.
of course money. why else do you think Erano changed his mind from not wanting to meet with GMA to not only meeting with her but endorsing her as well. nobody who believes in the good of the nation would have endorsed GMA or Erap.

i love how you hurl baseless accusations based on talk on the street. just because someone said something in your neighbrohood store (sari-sari store) doesn’t mean its the truth. Chruch gets money from Casinos? there are over 60 million Filipinos who belong to the Catholic Church. if every single one of those gives 1 peso every sunday, thats 60 million pesos. and obviously a lot of people give more than 1 peso that even if the others don’t give the Catholic Church in the Philippines can easily top 100 million pesos each sunday.

i have been voting for over 15 years and not one politician has approached me. so your hasty conclusion that politicians approach every voter who has the freedom to choose is completely baseless. besides, its more evil that all you have to do is approach the Manalos, drop a couple million pesos, and instantly get 1.5 million votes. its cheaper for the politicians too. its not like bloc voting is not influenced by politicians. it actually makes their job easier because they only have to sucker one person
 
owws? is that true? haha whoever that DESERVED to be it must have it.like cory aquino that almost all says that she must be national “hero” because of what he contibuted to the country. and why not Ka erdy? who made the members into the righteousness… and made some works that must be a good example to other leader. Ka erdy we can see that he is a very simple person but powerful like what the people in an interview says. The one who does not deserve anything is you! because you just accuse someone and even do not respect to one who already died! I think you not learned from your teachers about respecting other people!
Erano never contributed anything to the country in general. maybe only to INC members which is a very small minority.

i for one have never seen an INC charity help any poor. i guess if you’re INC and you’re poor, which i think a great majority of its members are, then you’ll get help. but if you do not belong to the religion, then you’re out of luck.

edit that, you’re not out of luck because there’s dozens of Charities ran by the Catholic Church alone who helps people regardless of their faith and who’s main mission is to help and uplift their lives
 
hehe i think you dont understand my point… and yes. CC encountered many many whatsoever in the past, but the question is, after the death of the apostles, is the 1st century christians same as the catholic church??? how about the teachings, almost all only showed in the 4th century isnt it? after the next church administration took place…
is that your own version of history? or the version of felix manalo? you always like to jump to one topic to other… even if it’s getting nowhere 🙂
 
Ok. thank you for translating my post to a better english (haha^_^) But whatever you say, whatever kind of explanation you give about what you say about ka erdy… That he died because now he knows the truth? anyone read this will understand the meaning of that. That he died because the INC is not the true church and whatever? hmmp.
And yes. the catholics always say that the CC give the FREEDOM, freedom to all you want to do! even bad doings.
and the INC doesn’t have the freedom to do bad things? i for one know plenty of INC members who have sex outside of marriage and some even got pregnant. or maybe pre-marital sex isn’t a sin in the INC so they’re doing just fine.
If the catholic church is the true church, they will have concern to the members! and even force the members to attend the mass, so? But it is for the goodness of the members, it is for the members will do the will of god, the commandments of god! dont you get it? whats wrong if you were forced to do GOOD things? (even the fact that the INC dont force the members to attend worship services, but to remind that worship services are important and some others…because it is one of the commandments of god!)
John 6
66 After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.
67 Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?”

Even Jesus doesn’t force his disciples and apostles to follow him. why should the Chruch force people to attend mass?

if you only do good becasue you are forced to do good, then what good is that?
if you only go to mass because you are forced to go to mass, then what good is that?

you do good because it comes from your heart that you do good. not because someone else forces you. if God believes in forcing people then evil would not exist. God’s Will is above all and if He forces us to do good then we will do good. but what does that make us? just puppets of God. not humans with intellect in the image and likeness of God. God wants us to earn our salvation and our right to be in His presence, therefore we are given free Will and it is up to our own choice to submit ourselves to the Will of God.

if you just force your spouse to love you, is that true love? God does not force us to love Him because that will not be true love. we should love God with ALL OUR HEARTS. not with ALL HIS FORCE.
and thats how catholics have wrongness in understanding the freedom! Like they will say that INC bloc as vote because the church administration does not want to give freedom to the members, is it true?? The INC does not force anyone to join the INC, so, in the doctrinal lessons before baptizing, all of the doctrines taught by the minister must accept wholeheartedly by the one who is joining the INC. And one of the doctrine is about the UNITY inside the church, so, is the members forced to vote as what the administration endorses or selected? …NO!

and about the 10% tithing? hello! i think the one who had that doctrine is the LDA not the INC. because in the bible it says about one must give wholeheartedly not to force to give.
don’t force to give but force to attend mass and force to vote for who the leaders choose. what a funny and highly inconsistent doctrine. so where’s this unity you speak of if you don’t give a cent to the church?
Nonmembers are just amazed because the fact that INC members are composed of poor members, the INC construct beautiful and big houses of worship. Thats why they accuse INC about the 10% tithing… And about separating male to female? it is just one of the discipline and orderliness in the church. Not in the catholic church, the fact that because males and females are joined together, when mass comes, it is very noisy inside. and i have watched an investigatory show called IMBESTIGADOR about what teens and even couples does INSIDE THE COMPOUND of the CC. some have doing some “miracles” like kissing and etc. they did not respect the holiness of the church! what the…🙂
a lot of bad things happen in and around the Catholic Churches because the Churches are open to all, all the time. unlike the INC temples that have high gates that are locked all the time and the temple doors closed all the time. you can’t even see whats inside from the outside. the Catholic Church welcomes one and all, both sinners and saints. its sad that some people would elect to desecrate the ground of the Chruch, but the Church will not close their grounds and deny people hoping to be closer to God the access to be in His Chruch.
 
hehe i think you dont understand my point… and yes. CC encountered many many whatsoever in the past, but the question is, after the death of the apostles, is the 1st century christians same as the catholic church??? how about the teachings, almost all only showed in the 4th century isnt it? after the next church administration took place…
the Catholic Church has been consistent from the day Jesus walked the earth. time to hit the history books and see the facts. every Catholic practice has been consistent with what the Apostles have practiced
 
Choy, your patience in ‘translating’ the carabao English of readme is commendable !! 🙂

For me, I will pass for now,

Perhaps it will be better for INK readme to post in Pilipino (if that is possible in this list), and most of us will be able to properly understand his rants.

Most of us will find that discussions w/any INK will never go anywhere because of their illogical rhetorical skills. In Pilipino, one might say, “…ang babaw talaga…”

If you’ve seen the debate between their Ventilacion (INK) and Catholic Answers’ Karl Keating, you will know what I mean.

Meanwhile, I have better things to do, … the INK deserves only so much time…

Cheers and God bless to all :):)🙂
 
thanks tscotom! i guess part of working always with may different people from all around the world is trying to decipher what they are saying when most of these people are not native english speakers.
 
Hi…I am a member of Iglesia ni Cristo and I’ve seen the debate video. I also found out that Catholic Answers would like to have another debate and I guess that is to get even from their lost in the first debate. I think Keating was sour-graping so much that he would blame the air-conditioning and all that he can blame for his lost.
 
a. an objective viewer can see Keating didn’t lose
b. i haven’t heard any interest from Keating about a follow-up debate. can you point to a credible source about this? or is this just hearsay?
 
Here’s the link to the Patrick Madrid’s blog and his visit in the Philippines. He also visited the Iglesia ni Cristo Central Office to request for another debate.

patrickmadrid.blogspot.com/2009/07/sects-and-sin-in-manila.html

Here’s the excerpt of some of their conversations:

*I smiled. **“Look, Bien, do you think you Iglesia folks might have an interest in another debate with Catholic Answers when we’re here in January?” ***Karl Keating had accepted a challenge to debate one of their ministers a few years ago. Held in a high school gym, the debate drew an overflow crowd of 3,500 spectators, most of them Iglesia members bused in from throughout Southern California. No doubt the video tapes of the debate had been studied carefully by Iglesia’s high command, which knew all about Catholic Answers.
 
Here’s the link to the Patrick Madrid’s blog and his visit in the Philippines. He also visited the Iglesia ni Cristo Central Office to request for another debate.

patrickmadrid.blogspot.com/2009/07/sects-and-sin-in-manila.html

Here’s the excerpt of some of their conversations:

*I smiled. **“Look, Bien, do you think you Iglesia folks might have an interest in another debate with Catholic Answers when we’re here in January?” ***Karl Keating had accepted a challenge to debate one of their ministers a few years ago. Held in a high school gym, the debate drew an overflow crowd of 3,500 spectators, most of them Iglesia members bused in from throughout Southern California. No doubt the video tapes of the debate had been studied carefully by Iglesia’s high command, which knew all about Catholic Answers.
Funnily enough, I actually read Keating’s account of that debate during our Discourse Analysis class last semester. All my classmates felt that the Keating was a bit arrogant and somewhat one-sided in his own perspective… but that still didn’t stop us from seeing the INC as a fanatical sect like that of Apollo Quiboloy.

I mean seriously, the INC had their followers bussed in and it wasn’t a one-on-one as agreed. That doesn’t sound like a very friendly religion… not to mention I need a password to get into the INC website.
 
Funnily enough, I actually read Keating’s account of that debate during our Discourse Analysis class last semester. All my classmates felt that the Keating was a bit arrogant and somewhat one-sided in his own perspective… but that still didn’t stop us from seeing the INC as a fanatical sect like that of Apollo Quiboloy.

I mean seriously, the INC had their followers bussed in and it wasn’t a one-on-one as agreed. That doesn’t sound like a very friendly religion… not to mention I need a password to get into the INC website.
Iglesia ni Cristo members have their own car, which is a common mode of transportation in the United States. If he meant members were forced to attend, then that’s an exaggeration from a sour-graping man.

If you look at Keating’s account, it sounded like sour-graping. If he felt he won it, he wouldn’t bother talking about minor details but he would have focused more on the discourse of the debate.
 
Iglesia ni Cristo members have their own car, which is a common mode of transportation in the United States. If he meant members were forced to attend, then that’s an exaggeration from a sour-graping man.

If you look at Keating’s account, it sounded like sour-graping. If he felt he won it, he wouldn’t bother talking about minor details but he would have focused more on the discourse of the debate.
He did, like the fact that he proved INC’s founder wasn’t a prophet, that our country is not the center of the East, just part of it.

Furthermore, you do realize that Karl Keating and Patrick Madrid are two different people right? Why are you confusing their accounts as if they were written by the same person? Keating wrote Into the Maw of the Cult and Madrid wrote Sex and Sin in Manila. Mmkay?
 
did you even bother to read the entire entry? it was an account of his visit to the Philippines in 1994. its 2010 now. your information is 16 years late my friend

plus, he never said Keating will debate again, but asked them if they’re interested to debate someone from Catholic Answers again

please try to understand what is actually being said in the blog entry
 
He did, like the fact that he proved INC’s founder wasn’t a prophet, that our country is not the center of the East, just part of it.

Furthermore, you do realize that Karl Keating and Patrick Madrid are two different people right? Why are you confusing their accounts as if they were written by the same person? Keating wrote Into the Maw of the Cult and Madrid wrote Sex and Sin in Manila. Mmkay?
Well, can’t a man sour-grape for a friend? Patrick Madrid’s account sounded like one. Keating just discredited the priest who wrote that the Philippines is in the Far East but he offered no alternative where the Philippines might be. Maybe, Keating thought the Philippines is in the near East or middle East.
 
did you even bother to read the entire entry? it was an account of his visit to the Philippines in 1994. its 2010 now. your information is 16 years late my friend

plus, he never said Keating will debate again, but asked them if they’re interested to debate someone from Catholic Answers again

please try to understand what is actually being said in the blog entry
Let me post it again:

*I smiled. “Look, Bien, do you think you Iglesia folks might have an interest in another debate with Catholic Answers when we’re here in January?” *

Here’s what I said: I also found out that Catholic Answers would like to have another debate and I guess that is to get even from their lost in the first debate. I

The fact remains, Patrick Madrid spent some of his time to request for ‘another debate’, even if it was in 1996.
 
read the whole article please. Patrick Madrid was being sarcastic. he did say he intentionally went to the INC headquarters to ruffle some feathers.
 
read the whole article please. Patrick Madrid was being sarcastic. he did say he intentionally went to the INC headquarters to ruffle some feathers.
It seems to me that it’s really in his itinerary during that visit. And this is funny:

We sparred for fifteen minutes or so, and out of the corner of my eye I saw Paran jotting down notes. For all I knew, the whole thing was being videotaped through the two-way mirror behind Santiago’s desk, and I was being weighed, measured, and CAT-scanned, all for some sinister use by Iglesia at a later date.

He probably had a goose-bump.
 
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